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So what here is safer?

Brain5ick

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I figured Deca and NPP were generally safe (although cardiotoxic in higher doses) and other than thick blood were generally well tolerated, I don’t really hear much negative about EQ either but someone claiming Tren is safer sounds absolutely nuts! That stuff has been harsh on most people I know that have ran it.
I have like 9ml of NPP laying around and eventually want to run it but I saw this and was kind of baffled. What’re your thoughts?
 
Deca and NPP are not safe options, nandrolones will raise prolactin and that is far away from safe option, I know few guys who had much worse sides with deca than with tren, its depends from person to person, in the end we are all different and we all reacts different on anabolics. Safer options when we talk about anabolics are moderate test dosage with AI and some oral 5-6 weeks like anavar, even then you can have side effects, basically there is no safe bet with anabolics. EQ will raise BP, it will raise RBC, its hard on kidneys too.
 
Primo. Buy raws and learn to brew your own
 
MarkoK87 said:
Deca and NPP are not safe options, nandrolones will raise prolactin and that is far away from safe option, I know few guys who had much worse sides with deca than with tren, its depends from person to person, in the end we are all different and we all reacts different on anabolics. Safer options when we talk about anabolics are moderate test dosage with AI and some oral 5-6 weeks like anavar, even then you can have side effects, basically there is no safe bet with anabolics. EQ will raise BP, it will raise RBC, its hard on kidneys too.
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Soooo aside from the possibility of lactation what can high prolactin do to my health and organs?
 
RickyBlobby said:
Primo. Buy raws and learn to brew your own
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I’d love to try primo but I can never find it at a reasonable price or when I do, the mg/ml ratio sucks. I wanna learn to brew but I have 3 issues. No space to brew, no equipment, no one will teach me.
 
Well, 99% of AAS users will use test plus some wet oral with deca, I think that huge % for mass cycle go test deca dbol combo and in that situations high prolactine with higher e2 levels is nightmare for any male lol. Even with normal e2 levels high prolactine will kill sex drive and for me personally nothing shut me down like deca. Primo and var are the best choice when it comes to safe options on AAS cycle.
 
MarkoK87 said:
Well, 99% of AAS users will use test plus some wet oral with deca, I think that huge % for mass cycle go test deca dbol combo and in that situations high prolactine with higher e2 levels is nightmare for any male lol. Even with normal e2 levels high prolactine will kill sex drive and for me personally nothing shut me down like deca. Primo and var are the best choice when it comes to safe options on AAS cycle.
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I’m just taking about NPP though. Just nandrolone with test. What would make it more dangerous or what dangers would come with prolactin raise?
 
High prolactine - low sex drive and erectile dysfunction.So if you have girlfriend or wife you should consider this mate. I never used NPP, its fast ester, but on Deca I really had huge problems with erection and for me sex is very important aspect of my life, don t know for you man. High prolactine can t make any organ damage, but it will definitely mess up your sex life and high prolactine also decrease dopamin.
 
MarkoK87 said:
High prolactine - low sex drive and erectile dysfunction.So if you have girlfriend or wife you should consider this mate. I never used NPP, its fast ester, but on Deca I really had huge problems with erection and for me sex is very important aspect of my life, don t know for you man. High prolactine can t make any organ damage, but it will definitely mess up your sex life and high prolactine also decrease dopamin.
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I’d have prami or caber on hand but I’m a long way from starting this. Need to look into doses for those two. I’d only be running 150-300mg per week of it with 300-400mg test. Small cycle just to play around with nandrolone. Some guys I hear get insanely horny on Deca but I hear Deca dick is a real pain too. Guessing the same goes for NPP. Mainly just wanna see how it makes me feel and what to expect with 19-nors.
 
150mg of NPP or deca is to low. 300-350 mg is sweet spot, nice gains with low sides. If you have caber on hand then no worries about prolactine issues, caber also makes me horny as hell lol :) You can try test p npp at 100mg EOD, that would be nice cycle.
 
Prolactin sides from nandrolone are highly overstated. If your running huge doses then yes. Low to moderate doses and the chances you'll have to open up that caber is slim. Keep your estro levels in check and prolactin wont be an issue.
 
19 nors including deca and npp are nuero toxic more so than other aas. More concerning than progesterone is the permanent genetic changes that can take place in the brain from using 19nor steroids. Personally I wont use them any longer.

Just read the affects from using deca. This is just info to inform. You decide for yourself whats worth it. My personal perspective is to neither condone or support it but that people would know how it may affect them and choose for themselves.

I think this is most likely what the op message was referring to.

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Godstrength said:
19 nors including deca and npp are nuero toxic more so than other aas. More concerning than progesterone is the permanent genetic changes that can take place in the brain from using 19nor steroids. Personally I wont use them any longer.

Just read the affects from using deca. This is just info to inform. You decide for yourself whats worth it. My personal perspective is to neither condone or support it but that people would know how it may affect them and choose for themselves.

I think this is most likely what the op message was referring to.

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I think the “long lasting negative effects” they say about Deca specifically are due more to the ester and how long it stays in the body. The permanent negative effects they say is “theoretical” but possible after a year of use.
Why on earth do they keep comparing it to coke and amphetamines? If I shoot NPP this **** isn’t gonna have me vibrating and all stimmed out is it? . A lot of good info here but I don’t get the comparisons and a few other things but it was definitely a good read. Thanks man!
 
Brain5ick said:
I think the “long lasting negative effects” they say about Deca specifically are due more to the ester and how long it stays in the body. The permanent negative effects they say is “theoretical” but possible after a year of use.
Why on earth do they keep comparing it to coke and amphetamines? If I shoot NPP this **** isn’t gonna have me vibrating and all stimmed out is it? . A lot of good info here but I don’t get the comparisons and a few other things but it was definitely a good read. Thanks man!
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They're saying they found that during the usage it triggered the release of the same chemicals in the brain that make somebody more prone to impulsive behavior and addictive behavior. Its in there
 
Godstrength said:
They're saying they found that during the usage it triggered the same chemicals in the brain that make somebody more prone to impulsive behavior and addictive behavior. Its in there
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Yeah I was just joking with ya, but I mean I guess I can get it. A buddy of mine runs a lot of **** and usually does EQ and Tren A instead of Deca or NPP anymore because he says it makes him feel more irrational.
 
Brain5ick said:
Yeah I was just joking with ya, but I mean I guess I can get it. A buddy of mine runs a lot of **** and usually does EQ and Tren A instead of Deca or NPP anymore because he says it makes him feel more irrational.
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Lol, right I hear you.... Ive done coke and meth and its nothing like deca
 
I noticed strong dopamine responses when I was using NPP and deca, sort of like the afterglow on a stimulant. Definitely could make one impulsive. I also smoked about twice as many cigarettes as a result.

I think the definite killing of neurons, heart problems, and permanent changes in personality similar to stimulant abuse are reasons enough to leave 19-nors alone in general.

1T-C (DHB Cypionate) blows deca away for sure, injectable dhb no ester would wax NPP as well.

Primobolan was doing what tren does before tren was in style.
 
Old Witch said:
I noticed strong dopamine responses when I was using NPP and deca, sort of like the afterglow on a stimulant. Definitely could make one impulsive. I also smoked about twice as many cigarettes as a result.

I think the definite killing of neurons, heart problems, and permanent changes in personality similar to stimulant abuse are reasons enough to leave 19-nors alone in general.

1T-C (DHB Cypionate) blows deca away for sure, injectable dhb no ester would wax NPP as well.

Primobolan was doing what tren does before tren was in style.
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Can’t find DHB either but idk if I’m ready for that one yet, just being honest. Would totally love to try some quality primo but I don’t know as much about. Half life, sides, etc.
 
BarryScott said:
You brew your own, Ricky?
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Yes, I have. You just need benzyl alcohol, benzyl benzoate and grape seed oil. 100ml pyrex beaker and glass stir rod.

2% ba 20% BB the rest GSO, then calculate how much powder needs to be in there for the proper MG/ML
 
Godstrength said:
Lol, right I hear you.... Ive done coke and meth and its nothing like deca
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Coke and meth do the exact opposite to your body that Deca does lol
 
Agree with Godstrength. 19 nors are worse. Eq is one of the safest steroids you can inject and the rbc increase really isn't that crazy.
 
RickyBlobby said:
Yes, I have. You just need benzyl alcohol, benzyl benzoate and grape seed oil. 100ml pyrex beaker and glass stir rod.

2% ba 20% BB the rest GSO, then calculate how much powder needs to be in there for the proper MG/ML
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What about sterilization?
 
Brain5ick said:
I’d love to try primo but I can never find it at a reasonable price or when I do, the mg/ml ratio sucks. I wanna learn to brew but I have 3 issues. No space to brew, no equipment, no one will teach me.
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If you find it at a reasonable price its probably fake or under dosed. The higher price would give me a little extra confidence its real. Still brewing your own is cheaper always and with some Google time you can learn pretty fast. It's not that complicated
 
Smont said:
If you find it at a reasonable price its probably fake or under dosed. The higher price would give me a little extra confidence its real. Still brewing your own is cheaper always and with some Google time you can learn pretty fast. It's not that complicated
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Primo is not very stable... If youre brewing it yourself you better know what youre doing. Thats part of the reason its so expensive.
 
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