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Thank you all for the interest. I really appreciate it.

On our end, the formula is approved and the labels are being printed. Honestly, most of the delay has been on the raw material suppliers end. We are using Mediator PA, which is a branded ingredient and its taken the company quite some time to ship the raw materials. This is one of those great examples of when I give an ETA I gave it off the best estimate I had at the time but then on the backend some things went wrong that are out of our control.

I'm really hoping that it will be out in the next 4 weeks, no more than 6 weeks.
I just seen the projected timescale of this release and the date posted... How far or close are we to seeing the Mediator PA formulation? :)
 
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The problem most people don’t get is that you can’t just lump everything into “reduce inflammation” and “increase inflammation”. ARA works on a specific mechanism. As long as your anti-inflammatory supplement doesn’t inhibit COX-2 (pretty sure that’s it, been a while) it shouldn’t have any affect on the ARA. Also, be careful of omega-3s, they compete for absorption and can displace ARA.
Interesting discourse. So I guess it comes down to does Epicatechin impact COX-2. Does it? If it doesn’t do you know anything that does specifically? Or was that why you mentioned Omega-3s?
 
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I just seen the projected timescale of this release and the date posted... How far or close are we to seeing the Mediator PA formulation? :)
I'm hoping January or early February.
 
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Any updates for this good or bad? Still on schedule? Any enquiries from any UK companies?
My last update was just on Thursday haha. So no updates since then :)

Nah, we rarely get inquiries from UK companies. We send them a sales email when the product comes out or is in transit, but they rarely inquire with us beforehand; and rarely buy much on the first orders. Which that is okay, I'm glad to work with resellers no matter how much or little they buy, it just a lot of times leads to first time orders on new releases selling out very quickly for them.
 
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My last update was just on Thursday haha. So no updates since then :)

Nah, we rarely get inquiries from UK companies. We send them a sales email when the product comes out or is in transit, but they rarely inquire with us beforehand; and rarely buy much on the first orders. Which that is okay, I'm glad to work with resellers no matter how much or little they buy, it just a lot of times leads to first time orders on new releases selling out very quickly for them.
I’ll ask Powermyself if they are getting it in? What’s the name going to be specifically? Also I know it’s a formulation and you don’t pick the prices that resellers pick. If you can, can you give some sort of idea at wholesale what it will be similar price (as usually that will reflect on the retail price somewhat). Like Anabolic Effect/Optimize T type price or ?

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I’ll ask Powermyself if they are getting it in? What’s the name going to be specifically? Also I know it’s a formulation and you don’t pick the prices that resellers pick. If you can, can you give some sort of idea at wholesale what it will be similar price (as usually that will reflect on the retail price somewhat). Like Anabolic Effect/Optimize T type price or ?

Thanks again
No problem at all. Thank you for the interest. I'm glad that you're excited about it.

I'm pretty sure they aren't even aware that its an upcoming product yet.

The name of the product will be Phosphatidic Acid XT.

I'm sorry but I can't say a specific sales price yet. I never put an exact price on things until after production is complete bc there are too many variables on if things can change or not. If I had to guess, I'd say it will sell to the public here in the US for around 49.99 on average, maybe a little less during sale times.
 
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No problem at all. Thank you for the interest. I'm glad that you're excited about it.

I'm pretty sure they aren't even aware that its an upcoming product yet.

The name of the product will be Phosphatidic Acid XT.

I'm sorry but I can't say a specific sales price yet. I never put an exact price on things until after production is complete bc there are too many variables on if things can change or not. If I had to guess, I'd say it will sell to the public here in the US for around 49.99 on average, maybe a little less during sale times.
In regards, as long as it’s not priced like EPi-Plex has been i will be happy as AE, Optimize-T are expensive, but I understand with the clinical patented trademarked ingredients. Forgot about Anabolic XT, is that stackable or will there be overlap with the Mediator product? Is that on schedule, if so what the estimated ETA for that?
 
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In regards, as long as it’s not priced like EPi-Plex has been i will be happy as AE, Optimize-T are expensive, but I understand with the clinical patented trademarked ingredients. Forgot about Anabolic XT, is that stackable or will there be overlap with the Mediator product? Is that on schedule, if so what the estimated ETA for that?
you think epi-plex is expensive ? if shopped right i get it for $27/bottle .. for 18G capped -epi i think its a heck of a deal.
 
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In regards, as long as it’s not priced like EPi-Plex has been i will be happy as AE, Optimize-T are expensive, but I understand with the clinical patented trademarked ingredients. Forgot about Anabolic XT, is that stackable or will there be overlap with the Mediator product? Is that on schedule, if so what the estimated ETA for that?
I'm sorry, but if you think Epi-Plex is expensive for what it is, I think you might not know how much real Epicatechin products cost to make. Real Epicatechin is expensive and that's why you see a lot of brands only using 200 to 300 mg. per daily dose in products, whereas Epicatechin has 300 mg. per capsule.

Epi-Plex contains:
  • 300 mg. Epicatechin per capsule + 20 mg. Piperine (Bioperine)
  • 18,000 mg. (18 grams) Epicatechin per bottle
Milligram for Milligram/Gram for Gram - Epi-Plex is the most cost-effective Epicatechin on the market. There are brands that are sold for almost double what Epi-Plex is that are proprietary blends that don't even list what the active dosages of Epicatechin even are.

I just did a quick search and found Epi-Plex for less than 30.00 per unit.

If you're by any chance referring to UK prices as was mentioned in another thread, I have no idea why the UK retailers are marking the product up the way that they are; but that is not representative of our markup and our pricing. UK/EU resellers get the same or better pricing than their US counterparts, so even with a tariff and shipping cost averaged per unit, it shouldn't be but so much higher.

Anabolic XT should be released around the same time as Phosphatidic Acid XT and it will be stackable with Phosphatidic Acid XT or pretty much any other SNS or CEL products.
 
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you think epi-plex is expensive ? if shopped right i get it for $27/bottle .. for 18G capped -epi i think its a heck of a deal.
Would you pay $67 for it? Or how about $95? Serious question.

Me and @sns8778 have had good dialogue recently on this and it wasn’t a jibe or a negative towards the product or the brand if that’s how it’s been taken.
 
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I'm sorry, but if you think Epi-Plex is expensive for what it is, I think you might not know how much real Epicatechin products cost to make. Real Epicatechin is expensive and that's why you see a lot of brands only using 200 to 300 mg. per daily dose in products, whereas Epicatechin has 300 mg. per capsule.

Epi-Plex contains:
  • 300 mg. Epicatechin per capsule + 20 mg. Piperine (Bioperine)
  • 18,000 mg. (18 grams) Epicatechin per bottle
Milligram for Milligram/Gram for Gram - Epi-Plex is the most cost-effective Epicatechin on the market. There are brands that are sold for almost double what Epi-Plex is that are proprietary blends that don't even list what the active dosages of Epicatechin even are.

I just did a quick search and found Epi-Plex for less than 30.00 per unit.

If you're by any chance referring to UK prices as was mentioned in another thread, I have no idea why the UK retailers are marking the product up the way that they are; but that is not representative of our markup and our pricing. UK/EU resellers get the same or better pricing than their US counterparts, so even with a tariff and shipping cost averaged per unit, it shouldn't be but so much higher.

Anabolic XT should be released around the same time as Phosphatidic Acid XT and it will be stackable with Phosphatidic Acid XT or pretty much any other SNS or CEL products.
Yeah I’ve never imported supplements to the UK and don’t plan on it, we have many good retailers here (like you know well and deal with). Wasn’t a jibe just and well aware of what’s in Epi-Plex, looks a great product and I’ve honestly never used it, but it’s abit out of my price range... like we’ve discussed earlier. Might point was a positive (apologies if it’s been misconstrued). If the mediator product is a similar price to the aforementioned products (AE/Optimize-T, around $70 each), I don’t mind paying it for a clinical trademarked patented ingredient, proven to build muscle in double blind placebo (Mediator). If that makes sense at all mate. People pay a lot of money for supplements, and there aren’t many as validated as PA Mediator, thus if it’s the same price as say Vector (no idea if it’s good or bad, but it’s north of $70 here in UK) I would happily pay as I’m getting a highly regarded; patented clinical muscle builder!!! If that makes sense :) ?

I converted currency to give guys reading this an idea, of the pricing we get here in the UK for good sports supplements.
 
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Would you pay $67 for it? Or how about $95? Serious question.

Me and @sns8778 have had good dialogue recently on this and it wasn’t a jibe or a negative towards the product or the brand if that’s how it’s been taken.
I don't think he realized that you're overseas and that the price is that ridiculously marked up by the retailer that you're referring to.

The price here in the US is less than 40.00 and less than 30.00 at some retailers.

So in context, Epi-Plex is almost half the price of some brands that don't contain even half the dose. I think that's where he was a bit confused by what you were saying.

I could see how it could have come off as a negative jab at the product or brand, but I realize that you didn't mean it that way. Thank you for clarifying though, I really do appreciate that.
 
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Yeah I’ve never imported supplements to the UK and don’t plan on it, we have many good retailers here (like you know well and deal with). Wasn’t a jibe just and well aware of what’s in Epi-Plex, looks a great product and I’ve honestly never used it, but it’s abit out of my price range... like we’ve discussed earlier. Might point was a positive (apologies if it’s been misconstrued). If the mediator product is a similar price to the aforementioned products (AE/Optimize-T, around $70 each), I don’t mind paying it for a clinical trademarked patented ingredient, proven to build muscle in double blind placebo (Mediator). If that makes sense at all mate. People pay a lot of money for supplements, and there aren’t many as validated as PA Mediator, thus if it’s the same price as say Vector (no idea if it’s good or bad, but it’s north of $70 here in UK) I would happily pay as I’m getting a highly regarded; patented clinical muscle builder!!! If that makes sense :) ?

I converted currency to give guys reading this an idea, of the pricing we get here in the UK for good sports supplements.
I never try to encourage or discourage anyone to buy from the US and import to the UK/EU. It works great for some people, but then occasionally you have that person or case where a product is seized by customs or something. My only wish on it is that we had more UK/EU retailers to work with and that the existing ones would be more fair with their pricing, like in the case of Epi-Plex that we're discussing here and had discussed in another thread I believe.

I understand it wasn't a jab, but appreciate you clarifying. It could have been taken that way, but I knew that wasn't how you meant it. And when I reply to things like that the way I did, just keep in mind I'm replying to try to put it in context for people that may be reading and not posting or even reading down the road. I just didn't want anyone to read your post and dismiss using Epi-Plex thinking it was too expensive, when its pretty reasonably priced here.

I'm not sure what Phosphatidic Acid XT will sell for there honestly. Because for example, you're saying that Epi-Plex costs pretty much the same as Anabolic Effect and Optimize-T there I believe or more; but retailers do pay less for Epi-Plex than either of those two, so that's why the markup doesn't make sense to me on it in the case we're discussing.

In USD, the price will fall probably around 49.99'ish. If it turns out to be too high there, we can pm and figure something out. I appreciate your enthusiasm and want you to be able to try it at a reasonable price.
 
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I never try to encourage or discourage anyone to buy from the US and import to the UK/EU. It works great for some people, but then occasionally you have that person or case where a product is seized by customs or something. My only wish on it is that we had more UK/EU retailers to work with and that the existing ones would be more fair with their pricing, like in the case of Epi-Plex that we're discussing here and had discussed in another thread I believe.

I understand it wasn't a jab, but appreciate you clarifying. It could have been taken that way, but I knew that wasn't how you meant it. And when I reply to things like that the way I did, just keep in mind I'm replying to try to put it in context for people that may be reading and not posting or even reading down the road. I just didn't want anyone to read your post and dismiss using Epi-Plex thinking it was too expensive, when its pretty reasonably priced here.

I'm not sure what Phosphatidic Acid XT will sell for there honestly. Because for example, you're saying that Epi-Plex costs pretty much the same as Anabolic Effect and Optimize-T there I believe or more; but retailers do pay less for Epi-Plex than either of those two, so that's why the markup doesn't make sense to me on it in the case we're discussing.

In USD, the price will fall probably around 49.99'ish. If it turns out to be too high there, we can pm and figure something out. I appreciate your enthusiasm and want you to be able to try it at a reasonable price.
Also if you can disclosure, how many servings will PA formulation be? will it last 1 month? Thanks again
 
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Would you pay $67 for it? Or how about $95? Serious question.

Me and @sns8778 have had good dialogue recently on this and it wasn’t a jibe or a negative towards the product or the brand if that’s how it’s been taken.
apologies bro .. i didnt knew you were oversea .. automatically assumed in states you were buying it that much
 
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Also if you can disclosure, how many servings will PA formulation be? will it last 1 month? Thanks again
Yes, its a full month supply. 120 capsules x 4 caps per day.
 
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Been looking at some PA products and 20 servings, 24 servings etc. Thanks for confirming. I’ll get an email to Powermyself about it
Some brands go down in the serving sizes to try to cut the selling price and increase margins. I understand why they do it; just in our case, I felt it was important to try to give a full month supply.
 
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Yes, its a full month supply. 120 capsules x 4 caps per day.
can always trust SNS to give its fan base what they want :)

love the full 30day supply.
 
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There’s company selling fifteen day supply…….just saying .
You can actually extend that to 15 weeks lol

I know the co your talking about

I’m staying patience until SNS drops their version .. full month supply
 

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There’s company selling fifteen day supply…….just saying .
You can actually extend that to 15 weeks lol

I know the co your talking about

I’m staying patience until SNS drops their version .. full month supply
hehe, yeah really looking forward to take SNS's PA for a spin.
 

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I'm really courius about sns8778's opinion about biotest recent dosing recommendation. I bet he won't say anything (he will take a higher road).
 
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I'm really courius about sns8778's opinion about biotest recent dosing recommendation. I bet he won't say anything (he will take a higher road).
Thank you for noticing. I really do appreciate that. I always try to be respectful of other companies and never want to come off as putting anyone down.

SNS Phosphatidic Acid XT's recommendation will be daily use and to use for a minimum of 8 weeks for best results.
 
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Thank you for noticing. I really do appreciate that. I always try to be respectful of other companies and never want to come off as putting anyone down.

SNS Phosphatidic Acid XT's recommendation will be daily use and to use for a minimum of 8 weeks for best results.
i used 4 months back in the day and love each workout .. i know some people who are on for a whole year .. would be curious how the board members decide to run

i do say 2-4 months is idea and should provide great results.
 
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Thank you for noticing. I really do appreciate that. I always try to be respectful of other companies and never want to come off as putting anyone down.

SNS Phosphatidic Acid XT's recommendation will be daily use and to use for a minimum of 8 weeks for best results.
I've only been using PA only on work out days, 1 hour prior to work out. What's the benefit of using daily? I'm certainly not opposed to doing so especially if there is a good reason, I just want to understand why I'd be making the switch if I did; and when it comes to supps, I trust your recommendations when it comes to dosage more than most.
 
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I've only been using PA only on work out days, 1 hour prior to work out. What's the benefit of using daily? I'm certainly not opposed to doing so especially if there is a good reason, I just want to understand why I'd be making the switch if I did; and when it comes to supps, I trust your recommendations when it comes to dosage more than most.
The same reason I take it on workout days is the reason I take it on off days. Increased mtor-> increased MPS= increased recovery and growth on recuperation days. If there was some kind of negative feedback loop I could see training days only or if there was a side effect we were trying to mitigate but neither of those things is happening with PA.

This reasoning goes for almost all ergogenics: Ask yourself, "Why am I taking this on training days?" Then ask yourself, "Why would I not want this effect on off days?" Most of the time you will IMO.
 
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I've only been using PA only on work out days, 1 hour prior to work out. What's the benefit of using daily? I'm certainly not opposed to doing so especially if there is a good reason, I just want to understand why I'd be making the switch if I did; and when it comes to supps, I trust your recommendations when it comes to dosage more than most.
this is from national public medicine journal. I do believe that you can benefit greatly for daily use and i believe thats how it should be used .. not to say you can extend the bottle longer by using only on workout days .. but i dont think there was ever 30 day supply made before so pple were kinda forced to do so

anyway thats seperate discussion .. here is the cliff notes from article ..


Results
In phase one, soy-phosphatidylserine, soy-Lyso-PA, egg-PA, and soy-PA stimulated mTOR signaling, and the effects of soy-PA (+636%) were significantly greater than egg-PA (+221%). In phase two, PA significantly increased lean body mass (+2.4 kg), cross sectional area (+1.0 cm), and leg press strength (+51.9 kg) over placebo.
Conclusion
PA significantly activates mTOR and significantly improved responses in skeletal muscle hypertrophy, lean body mass, and maximal strength to resistance exercise.
 
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I've only been using PA only on work out days, 1 hour prior to work out. What's the benefit of using daily? I'm certainly not opposed to doing so especially if there is a good reason, I just want to understand why I'd be making the switch if I did; and when it comes to supps, I trust your recommendations when it comes to dosage more than most.
Thank you, I really appreciate that.

The studies on Phosphatidic Acid that I've seen have been based on daily use. So the clinical studies and science support daily use from what I've seen, which makes sense based on the way it works bc for best results, I think its important to keep consistent levels built up in your system.

Phosphatidic Acid works through a couple of pathways, but primarily through increasing anabolic pathways such as mTor and increased protein synthesis. By using it only on workout days, in my opinion you shortchange yourself on your recovery days. And a lot of the actual muscle growth that occurs in the body takes place not on the workout days, but the recovery days.

I could actually make a stronger argument for front loading it than I could for using it only on workout days.


If you want to do it the way you're doing to save some money, and we're just theorizing here bc there's no supportive evidence, but it might be viable to do 1500 mg. per day/750 mg. active for a month and then do only half that dose on workout days. I hope that makes sense.

When we release Phosphatidic Acid XT, I'll go more into the dosages and different ways I think it can be used best based on results and cost effectiveness.
 
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Thank you, I really appreciate that.

The studies on Phosphatidic Acid that I've seen have been based on daily use. So the clinical studies and science support daily use from what I've seen, which makes sense based on the way it works bc for best results, I think its important to keep consistent levels built up in your system.

Phosphatidic Acid works through a couple of pathways, but primarily through increasing anabolic pathways such as mTor and increased protein synthesis. By using it only on workout days, in my opinion you shortchange yourself on your recovery days. And a lot of the actual muscle growth that occurs in the body takes place not on the workout days, but the recovery days.

I could actually make a stronger argument for front loading it than I could for using it only on workout days.


If you want to do it the way you're doing to save some money, and we're just theorizing here bc there's no supportive evidence, but it might be viable to do 1500 mg. per day/750 mg. active for a month and then do only half that dose on workout days. I hope that makes sense.

When we release Phosphatidic Acid XT, I'll go more into the dosages and different ways I think it can be used best based on results and cost effectiveness.
Thanks for the speedy and thorough response. I've been using the BT micro-PA, which is labelled at 1000 mg PA for 4 caps (which is what I've been using). I only did it on work out days because of the BT recommended dosage. Based on this thread I'll switch it up to daily (saving money is secondary to whatever gains I can get from the supps I'm taking).

I really appreciate all of the time you guys each take to discuss this stuff and make recommendations. Being natty, I'm looking for everything I can get out of my supps as long as my natural T level stays elevated in the ranges my labs are returning. Maybe someday if/when those numbers drop significantly enough I'll consider gear... but for me this just proves there's a ton of value at this forum (even without gear) and I'm thankful to be able to read, ask dumb questions, and learn so much!
 
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Thanks for the speedy and thorough response. I've been using the BT micro-PA, which is labelled at 1000 mg PA for 4 caps (which is what I've been using). I only did it on work out days because of the BT recommended dosage. Based on this thread I'll switch it up to daily (saving money is secondary to whatever gains I can get from the supps I'm taking).

I really appreciate all of the time you guys each take to discuss this stuff and make recommendations. Being natty, I'm looking for everything I can get out of my supps as long as my natural T level stays elevated in the ranges my labs are returning. Maybe someday if/when those numbers drop significantly enough I'll consider gear... but for me this just proves there's a ton of value at this forum (even without gear) and I'm thankful to be able to read, ask dumb questions, and learn so much!
No problem at all. I'm glad to help in any way that I can.
(You have your profile private; I was going to send you a pm with more info about this that I don't want to post. If you want to change your settings, pm me).

I really don't like discussing other companies products but the only clinical studies I've seen on Phosphatidic Acid have been done on ChemiNutra's Mediator Phosphatidic Acid. There is more to this but I feel like its not my place to post it publicly.

In regards to your last paragraph, I love to help people and enjoy answering questions. To me, there are no dumb questions. And that's something I try to encourage of others. I've seen cases on here so many times where people will ask beginner or simple questions and people will take more time to disparage them over it rather than just answer them or just ignore it if they don't want to answer. All of our knowledge on any subject always starts somewhere :)
 
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No problem at all. I'm glad to help in any way that I can.
(You have your profile private; I was going to send you a pm with more info about this that I don't want to post. If you want to change your settings, pm me).
Whoops, didn't know I'd done that. I tried to fix it, let me know if it's been resolved. Thanks!
 
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Whoops, didn't know I'd done that. I tried to fix it, let me know if it's been resolved. Thanks!
Resolved. I'll send you a pm in an hour or so.
 
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Some brands go down in the serving sizes to try to cut the selling price and increase margins. I understand why they do it; just in our case, I felt it was important to try to give a full month supply.
Can I ask you a question regarding X-gels/Reduce-XT?
 
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I would be interested in trying it. My only experience was with lecithin granules, didn't see much, but I wasn't consistent at all with it, they were disgusting IMO. Mediator has always been $$$ for me, if this is a reasonable priced product, I'll give it a shot.

Right now, Optimize T and VASO6 are daily staples.
 
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I would be interested in trying it. My only experience was with lecithin granules, didn't see much, but I wasn't consistent at all with it, they were disgusting IMO. Mediator has always been $$$ for me, if this is a reasonable priced product, I'll give it a shot.

Right now, Optimize T and VASO6 are daily staples.
I'm really glad to hear that Optimize-T and VASO6 are daily staples for you.

Making a legit Mediator Phosphatidic Acid product is expensive to make so it won't be a cheap product, but we're going to take a super low percentage margin on our end on it to try to make it as cost effective as possible for everyone to use it.

Each bottle of Phosphatidic Acid XT will be 120 Veg Caps containing 30 servings with each serving providing 1500 mg. Mediator 50P supplying 750 mg. actual Phosphatidic Acid + a couple of other ingredients. The price I expect it to be available to consumers for will be around the price that some brands charge for literally half the dosage.
 

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