Small Var Cycle question

drejb

drejb

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Hey guys.

I’m currently on TRT. Almost a year now.

160mg test / 750iu HCG per week. 80mg Monday and Thursday test E injections / 250iu HCG mon-wed-fri

Thinking about adding Var for 6 weeks just for a recomp

40/40/40/60/60/60

Would I see decent results from this?

Should I up the test? I’d like to keep it the same as possible that way I can just cut the var after 6 weeks and not have to change my TRT protocol.

Looking to lean out with more density.


Let me know what you think?

Cheers
 
Yeah man Ive had great success running var with trt dose test. Six weeks is plenty Ive found. I found it difficult to keep up the kcals (on paper and prior experience I was eating maintanence but fuk the var was stripping the fat at a rate so the scale looked like I was cutting. I was well impressed).
 
Nac said:
Yeah man Ive had great success running var with trt dose test. Six weeks is plenty Ive found. I found it difficult to keep up the kcals (on paper and prior experience I was eating maintanence but fuk the var was stripping the fat at a rate so the scale looked like I was cutting. I was well impressed).
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How much var were you on mate?
 
Var really isn't that strong but if it is legit you might see some benefit. Really doesn't seem worth it under 100mg ED. But that also depends on your history and goals. If you just want a boost to TRT... you'll probably like it.
 
Two things will determine the efficacy of var.

First, if it actually is var and if its properly dosed.

Second, context of use.

Ive found var works "best" when transitioning from a bulk down to recomp/maintanence kcals. It seems to greatly accentuate any body comp adjustments in such a scenario.

Its the same basic principle behind the "priming" when you transition from a kcal deficit to a bulk; utilising AAS at the transition will absolutely shine due to the physiological environment they are being used in.

I wouldnt personally bother with var in a bulk, or any situation where you arent coiniciding its use with some sort of kcal change.
 
A little off topic but figured I’d share this image. Came across an image of myself a couple months before hopping on TRT. The photo on the right is me a month ago, 10 months into a solid TRT regimen. No real change in diet, training or lifestyle.

You can tell my test was plummeted and estrogen was high

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drejb said:
A little off topic but figured I’d share this image. Came across an image of myself a couple months before hopping on TRT. The photo on the right is me a month ago, 10 months into a solid TRT regimen. No real change in diet, training or lifestyle.

You can tell my test was plummeted and estrogen was high

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Insane difference, you look great man. How much TRT are you taking?
 
BigVis said:
Insane difference, you look great man. How much TRT are you taking?
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160mg / week Test E
750iu HCG / week

I only take Adex at .25 twice a week when I need it.

If my bloods show above 200 E2 I’ll hop back on adex, but lately I’ve been shooting around 100-120. I like to be as conservative as possible when using arimidex and prefer not to use it unless doc thinks it’s necessary

Brought me from 280 to a consistent 800-900
 
drejb said:
160mg / week Test E
750iu HCG / week

I only take Adex at .25 twice a week when I need it.

If my bloods show above 200 E2 I’ll hop back on adex, but lately I’ve been shooting around 100-120. I like to be as conservative as possible when using arimidex and prefer not to use it unless doc thinks it’s necessary

Brought me from 280 to a consistent 800-900
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Im not sure exactly how you intend to implement your recomp, but Id strongly advise you not to just add in some AAS on top of yout trt without also changing any kcal intake.

If youve had "no real change in diet" the last 10mnths, you wont get any where near as much as you can from adding in some more AAS to that status quo compared to adding it into a change of kcal intake.

I dont know what AAS you are prepared to use, but consider something like this:

8 week clean bulk, add in NPP on top of your trt

Drop to maintanence kcals, drop NPP, add in 50mg var to trt for 6 weeks.

From there, decide if you want to stay at maintanence for awhile and slowly recomp further as you have been doing, or transition to a cut. Then, bulk again.

The idea is to avoid "cruising", stagnation and wheelspinning. Priming your body will tend to get the most, for the littlest.
 
Nac said:
Im not sure exactly how you intend to implement your recomp, but Id strongly advise you not to just add in some AAS on top of yout trt without also changing any kcal intake.

If youve had "no real change in diet" the last 10mnths, you wont get any where near as much as you can from adding in some more AAS to that status quo compared to adding it into a change of kcal intake.

I dont know what AAS you are prepared to use, but consider something like this:

8 week clean bulk, add in NPP on top of your trt

Drop to maintanence kcals, drop NPP, add in 50mg var to trt for 6 weeks.

From there, decide if you want to stay at maintanence for awhile and slowly recomp further as you have been doing, or transition to a cut. Then, bulk again.

The idea is to avoid "cruising", stagnation and wheelspinning. Priming your body will tend to get the most, for the littlest.
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My apologies, I’m unfamiliar with NPP
 
drejb said:
My apologies, I’m unfamiliar with NPP
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Its a short ester deca. Dont believe any bro-talk that "the ester difference means nothing, the compound is still the same". In an all-else-equal scenario, NPP is much drier. Simiar strength gains, but no soft watery look. Plus, you can have an effective 8 week run of it, as opposed to needing 10+. I found I could run NPP at 600mg/wk and feel great, anything over 400mg with deca I felt crap.

Its just a good short ester lean gain option. But it does require pinning more oil (over and above your trt dose).
 
Nac said:
Its a short ester deca. Dont believe any bro-talk that "the ester difference means nothing, the compound is still the same". In an all-else-equal scenario, NPP is much drier. Simiar strength gains, but no soft watery look. Plus, you can have an effective 8 week run of it, as opposed to needing 10+. I found I could run NPP at 600mg/wk and feel great, anything over 400mg with deca I felt crap.

Its just a good short ester lean gain option. But it does require pinning more oil (over and above your trt dose).
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Ah I see. I’d like to avoid more pinning if at all possible. If I absolutely have to pin more I will but if u can make it work with a mild oral that’s preferable
 
drejb said:
Ah I see. I’d like to avoid more pinning if at all possible. If I absolutely have to pin more I will but if u can make it work with a mild oral that’s preferable
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Course. All Im trying to suggest is that people try and be strategic and coincide their AAS use with changes to kcal intake and/or training protocols. Dietary modifications is more relevant here, though.

I mean Im just making assumptions as to your specific situation (youre already very lean, you prolly want to limit fat gain if you bulk, youd prefer non-messy bulks, etc).

You could certainly add in an oral, not change diet much, and do a recomp. But the only variable youd be changing is the AAS. Thats great, but will you reap the most reward doing so, especially over a short period and especially when your body is already adapted to your current kcal intake?

So again, Id be tempted to change kcal intake (increase), and if an oral maybe LGD (SARM) or 1-dhea for 8 weeks. Pros and cons to these orals: there are other options that have quicker kick in times, but then they can only be run for 4-6 weeks. I dont know what youre prepared to do and sacrifice.
 
I love Var's anabolic to androgenic rating. 40mg is perfect. The side effects tend to be pretty minimal. Overall it's not going to be a magic pill. I hope no one thinks it is... But I have no doubt you will see a decent difference if it's legit var (especially if you havnt used any gear besides your test cyp trt)
IMO. If your looking to recomp/cut. Run it.
 
gannicus419 said:
I love Var's anabolic to androgenic rating. 40mg is perfect. The side effects tend to be pretty minimal. Overall it's not going to be a magic pill. I hope no one thinks it is... But I have no doubt you will see a decent difference if it's legit var (especially if you havnt used any gear besides your test cyp trt)
IMO. If your looking to recomp/cut. Run it.
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I’ve done 8 weeks of EQ at 500mg/ week in March. Didn’t do much for me
 
drejb said:
A little off topic but figured I’d share this image. Came across an image of myself a couple months before hopping on TRT. The photo on the right is me a month ago, 10 months into a solid TRT regimen. No real change in diet, training or lifestyle.

You can tell my test was plummeted and estrogen was high

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A little off topic? Way off topic lol. But that's a serious difference, good job dude

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gannicus419 said:
I love Var's anabolic to androgenic rating. 40mg is perfect. The side effects tend to be pretty minimal. Overall it's not going to be a magic pill. I hope no one thinks it is... But I have no doubt you will see a decent difference if it's legit var (especially if you havnt used any gear besides your test cyp trt)
IMO. If your looking to recomp/cut. Run it.
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If you're looking at the androgenic / anabolic rating it is highly misleading. It is definitely anabolic and that's why it doesn't produce much size, however it's not as anabolic or androgenic as stated or it just doesn't bind to the receptors that well.
 
Chados said:
If you're looking at the androgenic / anabolic rating it is highly misleading. It is definitely anabolic and that's why it doesn't produce much size, however it's not as anabolic or androgenic as stated or it just doesn't bind to the receptors that well.
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Agreed. Still good tho :)
 
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