Sledge rcomds mohn, m14andro???

Ironchef

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I was wondering on the dosage of the bulking cycle posted in des. supplements website. The Agenda is something along the lines of mohn, along with m1,4andro together. I want to run this cycle but I am concerned about two methyls. I am pretty sure he says to run them ed. Is mohn mild enough to stack with another m product or is this just a risky stack, any feedback would be cool thanks. I would run a full pct afterwords of milk thistle, liver aide, lots of water, and nolva for the first three weeks or in case of gyno and clomid for two last weeks.
 
Which is why I feel the two would be ok. I wouldnt say I am a advocate for stacking two methyls but I know people will do it with or without my help, so i choose to help. I try to give a resonable dosing scheme for it. I dont think ANYTHING should be stacked with M1T!!!
 
Cool, I will keep that in mind if any one has anymore data on the stack I am open to any information availible. Also do you think this one has the potential to yeild a large gain with the proper training and nutrition?? Maybe in comparison to m1t or even d bol.
 
I have no clue, I try not to make those comparisons anymore, they end up getting set in stone and if for some reason someone dosent get those results the world crashes in. It should be a very good stack though.
 
Ironchef said:
I was wondering on the dosage of the bulking cycle posted in des. supplements website. The Agenda is something along the lines of mohn, along with m1,4andro together. I want to run this cycle but I am concerned about two methyls. I am pretty sure he says to run them ed. Is mohn mild enough to stack with another m product or is this just a risky stack, any feedback would be cool thanks. I would run a full pct afterwords of milk thistle, liver aide, lots of water, and nolva for the first three weeks or in case of gyno and clomid for two last weeks.
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you should be taking milk thistle and liver stuff while you run the methyls. NOT wait until after. keep taking them after your cycle.

fiddler
 
Sledge - When you say you shouldn't stack ANYTHING with M1T, are you reffering to methyls only or all PH's?




HUGE
 
I have read in countless posts that taking milk thistle, nac etc during the cycle can be counter productive. Drinking lots of water may be the only benifit to flush out the liver. To sledges credit I would think he is refering to methyl ph not regular ones such as 4 ad wich a lot of people stack to reduce the sides of m1t.
 
Ya I bet he is talking about just methyl ph's...b/c for me 4ad is a must with m1t to combat some of the bad sides.
 
I wanna try that stack too. I'm gonna do m14add fisrst for 6 weeks. To asess my tolerance.

Then I'll do a m4ohn cycle. next year some time I'll do the 2 togeather.

I just wanna make sure if it's cool to run m14add for 6 weeks straight? I'm gonna do week1-2 60mg ed week3-4 70mg ed week 5-6 80mg ed.

Hoping for great strength gains and 10-15 lb's of muscle.
 
Yes I meant combining other methyls with M1T. M1T is so toxic and really causes some serious changes in lipid and blood profiles. I would limit its use and the duration of the use becuase of it.

If you felt the need for stacking any methyls with M1T, unless you know your body REAL well (for ex. I know down to the minute how much time I have to get in carbs before a shot of Humalog takes full effect) I would never go above a 5mgs dose for no longer then 10-14days.
 
Ironchef said:
Cool, I will keep that in mind if any one has anymore data on the stack I am open to any information availible. Also do you think this one has the potential to yeild a large gain with the proper training and nutrition?? Maybe in comparison to m1t or even d bol.
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I am 3 weeks in to a cycle of m14add and m4ohn, feeling good, up 12 lbs last time i weighed sides are at a minimum couple zits on my shoulder.
 
what about using oral 1,4ADD (without the methyl) which has been reported to be very bioavailable compared to most. Not quite as good as M1,4 ADD, but good enough, and therefore you wouldn't mix M's if you were stacking with M4OHN or whatever. Just an idea. I don't know if regular 1,4 is readily available or not anymore, but I was interested in this idea for safety's sake. Agree on not stacking M anything with M1T.
 
weeenisss said:
I am 3 weeks in to a cycle of m14add and m4ohn, feeling good, up 12 lbs last time i weighed sides are at a minimum couple zits on my shoulder.
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How are the strength gains? Are you using any base ph's (non-methyl)?

I think M1,4 and M4OHN would be a hella good stack. With some 1-test cyp and 4AD-cyp :drunk: . I'd say they are the 2 most "feel good" methyls, also the best for strength, IMO. Even more so than M5AA. Too bad I don't have any M1,4, and I'm almost out of M4OHN :(
 
milwood said:
what about using oral 1,4ADD (without the methyl) which has been reported to be very bioavailable compared to most. Not quite as good as M1,4 ADD, but good enough, and therefore you wouldn't mix M's if you were stacking with M4OHN or whatever. Just an idea. I don't know if regular 1,4 is readily available or not anymore, but I was interested in this idea for safety's sake. Agree on not stacking M anything with M1T.
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M1,4 and 1,4 -- are two different compounds (don't let the Methyl property lead you to believe they are similar).
1,4 - Boldenone Precursor
M1,4 - Dianabol Direct Precursor
both react differently respectively
 
I just started (Sat.) a 6 wk T1Pro T/D (2 squirts twice daily) and M4OHN (16mg/day) stack, and had really considered stacking some M1,4 on top of it too, however, decided against that because of all the negative comments about stacking Methyls.

I would be very interested in dropping the t/d for the M1,4 cuz I have a very hands on 2 year-old daughter.
 
supersoldier said:
How are the strength gains? Are you using any base ph's (non-methyl)?
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i used a little bit of 1test the first two weeks of the cycle, just becuase i had about that much left over and decided to use it up. i doubt that i even took enough to have any profound effect. strength definately seems up, im in the middle of football season right now, im on the field more than i am in the gym, i feel stronger when im playing, but i know that is not an exact measurement. again with football, i pretty much took the summer off from lifting, because i just simply didnt have time between 2 jobs and football practice, going back to the gym though after only a couple weeks, im right back at where i left off 3 months ago with my lifts. ill know more this week when i hit the weights, since i think this stuff is really starting to kick in now. I realize most of the guys on here are bodybuilders and they base their results on relevant criteria. My goals are football oriented, i'm looking for an ideal balance of strenght, weight and speed. My goal with this stack was to get my weight up and not lose speed strength was a secondary concern, since i really have no gripes about that on the field. And again, being mid season for football, i did not want negative side effects that would negate any gains i made on cycle. I realize i may not be the best for a comparison study on this stack but IMO i would recommend it as a bulking stack. Time will tell more as to the results, especially after PCT as to how well this stack worked. Ill post final results after PCT. Prior to the stack, I weighed 200lbs, 11.5% BF, incline benched 245x4, squat was 315x6. As far as being two methyls stacked, i believe they are mild enough to take. seriously i think im being a lot nicer to my liver now than when i have my club night drinking binges. im taking R-ala, i took milk thistle for 2 weeks pre cycle, i have had only about 3 beers since starting this cycle( 3 beers was just wetting the mouth before getting warmed up to really start drinking before) so i am taking preventative steps. PCT will be nolva. i hope this covers everything.
 
weeenisss said:
I am 3 weeks in to a cycle of m14add and m4ohn, feeling good, up 12 lbs last time i weighed sides are at a minimum couple zits on my shoulder.
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I may have missed this, how are you dosing?
 
bandit_193 said:
I may have missed this, how are you dosing?
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Week 1 started at 8mg ED m4ohn, 30mg m14ad, 200mg 1 test(oral)*; ended 1st week at 12mg m4ohn, 60mg m14ad, 200mg 1 test*.

week 2 16mg m4ohn, 60mg m14ad, 200mg 1 test(oral)*

week 3 20mg m4ohn, 90mg m14ad

week 4-6 24mg m4ohn, 90mg m14ad

*i wasnt planning on using the 1 test but i had some left over, i actually feel better as far as energy level now that im done with it.
 
weeenisss said:
Week 1 started at 8mg ED m4ohn, 30mg m14ad, 200mg 1 test(oral)*; ended 1st week at 12mg m4ohn, 60mg m14ad, 200mg 1 test*.

week 2 16mg m4ohn, 60mg m14ad, 200mg 1 test(oral)*

week 3 20mg m4ohn, 90mg m14ad

week 4-6 24mg m4ohn, 90mg m14ad

*i wasnt planning on using the 1 test but i had some left over, i actually feel better as far as energy level now that im done with it.
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I'm gonna taper off the T1 Pro and try something similar to this, I'm just so paranoid about getting any t/d on my daughter or wife....Thanks for info
 
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