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Skipping orals on drinking days

YoungThor

YoungThor

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Many of you are aware of the cycle I’m running but for those who aren’t, ill explain. I’m using 22mg of lgd and dermacrine as a test base. I added yk11 at 6mg a couple weeks in but had to drop it because of side effects. I just added it back a couple days ago and somehow I feel good on it this time. I’m going to a concert tonight and I will be drinking. Dropping the lgd is not an option to me because that’s the backbone of my cycle but I’m wondering if I should skip the yk today because it is technically a methylated steroid. I could always just resume tomorrow. Or should I take the yk and just take some extra tudca? What would you do? I’d like to keep a consistent level of yk in my body now but I don’t want to destroy myself either. Thanks.
 
IF your taking in the AM and the concert is in the PM I think you should be fine. I wouldn't get blitzed, but overall it wouldn't be the first time someone drank on these.
 
Yea I think you will be fine. Especially if you are taking in AM and drinking in PM. Shouldn't be that big of a deal.
 
Thanks guys. That’s the reassurance I needed. I just took my dose and I won’t be drinking for a good 10 hours from now. Stress relieved!
 
Honestly, if you ‘cant’ go without drinking and still have a good time I’d start to consider my drinking bro.

Personally I would want to get everything I could from the cycle and drinking isn’t cohensive to that (not even the health aspect but the impact on the next few days of training etc).

I’m all for people enjoying a drink, I just think if you can’t consider not when you have a good reason not to it’s not a great thing.

I’m an alcoholic (sober over 5 yrs) btw
 
Whisky said:
Honestly, if you ‘cant’ go without drinking and still have a good time I’d start to consider my drinking bro.

Personally I would want to get everything I could from the cycle and drinking isn’t cohensive to that (not even the health aspect but the impact on the next few days of training etc).

I’m all for people enjoying a drink, I just think if you can’t consider not when you have a good reason not to it’s not a great thing.

I’m an alcoholic (sober over 5 yrs) btw
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I see where you’re coming from and understand your perspective is influenced by your own life experiences. I’m very honest with myself. I have an addictive personality and have battled addiction to substances. With me being such a realist, I never lied to myself or went through a stage of denial as many do. Instead, I’d say to myself, “I’m an addict.” So, with that level of self awareness and honest reflection, I can assure you that I currently do not have a battle with alcohol use. I can certainly go to this concert tonight and not use alcohol but I will admit that I would be a little more miserable considering I’ll be surrounded by thousands of people who are drunk and stoned. So I’ll join the party and enjoy the night and then hop back on the health train in the morning.
 
Skipping orals on drinking days or skipping drinking on oral steroid days? Lol id just skip the drinking but thats just me
 
christ83189 said:
I get it wanting to drink at a concert and have fun. I really do. Im just past the point in my life where drinking is fun at all. What concert is it? Not sure if you said already or not
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Phish. My woman is a huge fan and has wanted me to see them with her for years, so it’s a big event. And I’m sure you know they attract a lot of drug users and boozers. I used to be into that crowd and go to Grateful Dead shows but it’s kind of lost it’s allure. I think I’ll have fun tonight though.
 
YoungThor said:
Phish. My woman is a huge fan and has wanted me to see them with her for years, so it’s a big event. And I’m sure you know they attract a lot of drug users and boozers. I used to be into that crowd and go to Grateful Dead shows but it’s kind of lost it’s allure. I think I’ll have fun tonight though.
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So, why not just hit the wacky tabacky instead? There will be plenty there and that will eliminate this whole debate about drinking on orals.
 
Do not take TUDCA before drinking alcohol. It can possibly increase the damage. I would stop the TUDCA a day before the event and resume after you’ve sobered up.
 
Jebrook said:
Do not take TUDCA before drinking alcohol. It can possibly increase the damage. I would stop the TUDCA a day before the event and resume after you’ve sobered up.
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I did not know that. Luckily I haven’t taken any in a couple days already. I just take it here and there, not every single day.
 
Jebrook said:
Do not take TUDCA before drinking alcohol. It can possibly increase the damage. I would stop the TUDCA a day before the event and resume after you’ve sobered up.
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Wasn’t that NAC which was shown to potentially increase damage? Or both that and TUDCA?
 
jackedviking said:
So, why not just hit the wacky tabacky instead? There will be plenty there and that will eliminate this whole debate about drinking on orals.
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Cause I was planning on doing both haha. But if I smoke weed early in the night then I drink less. So I’ll probably take that approach and just have a little beer but not go nuts with it.
 
YoungThor said:
Cause I was planning on doing both haha. But if I smoke weed early in the night then I drink less. So I’ll probably take that approach and just have a little beer but not go nuts with it.
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Sounds like a better plan. 1-2 drinks won’t kill ya... 6 will.
 
Since when are SARMS liver toxic or methylated anyhow? Isn't that the bigger question? I've drank on every oral, I skip the dose that day and I'm fine, everytime.
 
mikeymike85 said:
Since when are SARMS liver toxic or methylated anyhow? Isn't that the bigger question? I've drank on every oral, I skip the dose that day and I'm fine, everytime.
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I don’t think sarms are. They are probably a little liver toxic but not severely. Yk is likely liver toxic because it’s an oral steroid that is marketed as a sarm due to its effects in the body being “selective.” But in reality it’s just an oral steroid without harsh side effects.
 
I drank once for my birthday party on SuperDrol. I loaded with milk thistle but still puked my guts up all the next day and ruined a couple days of my cycle. You’ll be fine though bro. Plenty of water, cause a huge hang over can mess up your training. I did notice I got hung over a lot easier when on.
 
I actually think the risk associated with drinking on an oral steroid is less about hurting the liver and more about raising blood pressure to unhealthy levels.
 
That doesn’t mean I think you’ll get a heart attack after a couple beers but you might get some pretty bad BP symptoms.
 
ozzie1987 said:
I drank once for my birthday party on SuperDrol. I loaded with milk thistle but still puked my guts up all the next day and ruined a couple days of my cycle. You’ll be fine though bro. Plenty of water, cause a huge hang over can mess up your training. I did notice I got hung over a lot easier when on.
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Yeah I think the extra bad hangover when on cycle is from dehydration and elevated BP.
 
It's not life treatening just a bit stupid to stress your body more and hinder your gains. Lgd is probably not even toxic to the liver and if so very little. Alcohol just like steroids cause more damage than just the liver.

Let's say you drink a bottle of whiskey and you take 150mg of anadrol with an healthy liver and I'm pretty sure all you'd see is a bad hangover but with time the steroids will definitely give you all the problems you'd normally get from alcohol like cholesterol problems, bad liver etc way faster.

I have been drinking on gear but I will never say that I think it's smart. If you can stay away from it (which you can), do it.
 
YoungThor said:
Yeah I think the extra bad hangover when on cycle is from dehydration and elevated BP.
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I don't think there's a worse hangover on steroids.. If anything you'd experience more energy. Sarms should not have any effect on the liver and 0 androgenic sides even for a woman.
 
Chados said:
I don't think there's a worse hangover on steroids.. If anything you'd experience more energy. Sarms should not have any effect on the liver and 0 androgenic sides even for a woman.
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Yeah I’ll be fine. I don’t know if you didn’t see the one post but I believe yk is actually an AAS that’s marketed as a sarm, but a weak one at that. Even so, a night of drinking on it won’t mess me up long term.
 
YoungThor said:
Yeah I’ll be fine. I don’t know if you didn’t see the one post but I believe yk is actually an AAS that’s marketed as a sarm, but a weak one at that. Even so, a night of drinking on it won’t mess me up long term.
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Nah it shouldn't if you're an average healthy man. I don't think yk is a Sarm but I'm not sure.. Just don't get in to this, I did it once I can do it twice, then three times etc cause it's quite easy to do so.
 
I didn't read all of the posts so maybe somebody already alluded to some of my points....

You will not skip a beat if you skip a day of dosing either one or both of your SARMs. It will literally have ZERO noticeable impact on your gains. You will still have plenty of LGD in your system because of the half-life of the drug, as well as compounded/accumulative dosing. If it were me, I'd forgo the anabolics for the day. It's not the end of the world either way but seeing as though no gains will be lost, why add the organ stress?

I would not combine TUDCA and alcohol, nor would I take TUDCA right before drinking. If I remember correctly, it can add liver stress into the equation.
 
Who knew tudca caused more stress when combined with alcohol.... wtf.

I dont think sarms in general raise liver enzymes *very much*, and i have drank an unhealthy amount during all of my cycles. That said i limit it to only friday and saturday and take my cycle supports. If i drink a lot i will feel like hell the next day *more than when im off cycle i believe*, so that may be telling you something.

So long as you dont knock back beers every night of the week and cycle orals more than 6 weeks *or in this case sarm more than 8 weeks* i think the general concensus is drinking in moderation during any non menthylated cycle is fine, and drinking in moderation on lesser hepatoxic orals is not going to do serious damage.

This topic gets brought up every month and the general agreement is always the same. People that say “if you cant go 15 weeks without having a few drinks at a concert that you will only go to once in your life and want to destroy your entire cycle, then you need to go to alcoholics anonymous” are a bunch of nancy boy girlscouts.
 
Davy25 said:
Who knew tudca caused more stress when combined with alcohol.... wtf.

I dont think sarms in general raise liver enzymes *very much*, and i have drank an unhealthy amount during all of my cycles. That said i limit it to only friday and saturday and take my cycle supports. If i drink a lot i will feel like hell the next day *more than when im off cycle i believe*, so that may be telling you something.

So long as you dont knock back beers every night of the week and cycle orals more than 6 weeks *or in this case sarm more than 8 weeks* i think the general concensus is drinking in moderation during any non menthylated cycle is fine, and drinking in moderation on lesser hepatoxic orals is not going to do serious damage.

This topic gets brought up every month and the general agreement is always the same. People that say “if you cant go 15 weeks without having a few drinks at a concert that you will only go to once in your life and want to destroy your entire cycle, then you need to go to alcoholics anonymous” are a bunch of nancy boy girlscouts.
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Lol to the end of that statement. Well, I just got home, and I drank a bunch, and I’m breathing just fine. I’m sure many people there were drinking on top of far harsher chemicals than what I took, and I took mine to become a stronger, healthier person. So I call tonight a victory. Tomorrow I’ll do plenty of cardio with some back and chest.
 
Oh it’s fine. I drank a few times last year while on methyl orals, basically felt funky and tired after a few drinks. One time I did get drunk and had a crippling hangover the next day. But I think SARMS are way less harsh with alcohol.
 
Whisky said:
Honestly, if you ‘cant’ go without drinking and still have a good time I’d start to consider my drinking bro.

Personally I would want to get everything I could from the cycle and drinking isn’t cohensive to that (not even the health aspect but the impact on the next few days of training etc).

I’m all for people enjoying a drink, I just think if you can’t consider not when you have a good reason not to it’s not a great thing.

I’m an alcoholic (sober over 5 yrs) btw
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Agree completely. I take some phenibut cpl hrs before a social event if I want to feel mildly buzzed. Addiction to alcohol creeps in, and doesn't just imply physical need, but social crutch also. I'd not drink at all if using sarms, which are definitely liver and kidney toxic,despite the propaganda from these ****s selling them
 
I've drank on non-methyl and methyl alike. The hangover hasn't been any worse then if I'd have been drinking while not taking any orals. I think liver toxicity is often over-rated. So long as you're not drinking everyday and in large quantities problems should not arise.
 
YoungThor said:
Lol to the end of that statement. Well, I just got home, and I drank a bunch, and I’m breathing just fine. I’m sure many people there were drinking on top of far harsher chemicals than what I took, and I took mine to become a stronger, healthier person. So I call tonight a victory. Tomorrow I’ll do plenty of cardio with some back and chest.
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You drink too much bro. And honestly you can't be serious about both. Your body looks bloated and soft from the alcohol. I'm not saying dont lift if your going to drink as much as you do but running yk and lgd and drinking as much as you claim is counterproductive and your not going to see much. My advice curb the drinking way back if you really wanna see results. Not trying to be a dick just being honest.
 
Godstrength said:
You drink too much bro. And honestly you can't be serious about both. Your body looks bloated and soft from the alcohol. I'm not saying dont lift if your going to drink as much as you do but running yk and lgd and drinking as much as you claim is counterproductive and your not going to see much. My advice curb the drinking way back if you really wanna see results. Not trying to be a dick just being honest.
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Hey, sometimes you gotta be harsh to be honest. I am in the process of cutting back but for special events like last night, I’m still going to live like I’m young and reckless. For all the other days in the year, I’ll skip the booze in favor of, well, more water I guess.
 
YoungThor said:
Hey, sometimes you gotta be harsh to be honest. I am in the process of cutting back but for special events like last night, I’m still going to live like I’m young and reckless. For all the other days in the year, I’ll skip the booze in favor of, well, more water I guess.
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Something like phenibut is a great replacement as somebody suggested... Especially if socializing is involved. It works great for me
 
Godstrength said:
Something like phenibut is a great replacement as somebody suggested... Especially if socializing is involved. It works great for me
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I took phenibut once cause I got it when I ordered a prohormone. Took it for sleep and next day I was euphoric and a but dizzy. I ordered it and I'm literally immune to it.. How much do you take?
 
Chados said:
I took phenibut once cause I got it when I ordered a prohormone. Took it for sleep and next day I was euphoric and a but dizzy. I ordered it and I'm literally immune to it.. How much do you take?
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1 gram but you can't take it every day or the effects diminish... like twice a week three times tops and it still works pretty good.
 
Godstrength said:
1 gram but you can't take it every day or the effects diminish... like twice a week three times tops and it still works pretty good.
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Yeah I've heard so.. Damn I don't feel anything on a gram... Guess I'll give it another try now.. Haven't used it in weeks
 
Godstrength said:
You drink too much bro. And honestly you can't be serious about both. Your body looks bloated and soft from the alcohol. I'm not saying dont lift if your going to drink as much as you do but running yk and lgd and drinking as much as you claim is counterproductive and your not going to see much. My advice curb the drinking way back if you really wanna see results. Not trying to be a dick just being honest.
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I agree you can't be serious about both but I drink occasionally on cycle. I'm not trying to complete and I'm no where close but still achieve good results from my cycles. I also wouldn't consider myself a serious drinker. I probably get drunk 3-4 times a year but have a couple drinks couple times a month. With that being said most orals I've ran are tbol, var, dmz and those that I've read aren't considered as harsh as something like a superdrol, etc.
 
ee09 said:
I agree you can't be serious about both but I drink occasionally on cycle. I'm not trying to complete and I'm no where close but still achieve good results from my cycles. I also wouldn't consider myself a serious drinker. I probably get drunk 3-4 times a year but have a couple drinks couple times a month. With that being said most orals I've ran are tbol, var, dmz and those that I've read aren't considered as harsh as something like a superdrol, etc.
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I think I saw a post where he says he drinks 20 to 25 beers a week. More so then any significant damage to the liver I'm stating it's counterproductive because alcohol is terrible if you're trying to build. If you do it on a consistent basis you aren't going to see much in terms of progress. I think the liver can handle it no problem it's what it does to the rest of the body cortisol levels estrogen levels and empty calories Etc. That makes it counterproductive.

That said I think what you're talking about is moderate and I don't really see any problem with drinking a couple times a month.
 
Godstrength said:
You drink too much bro. And honestly you can't be serious about both. Your body looks bloated and soft from the alcohol. I'm not saying dont lift if your going to drink as much as you do but running yk and lgd and drinking as much as you claim is counterproductive and your not going to see much. My advice curb the drinking way back if you really wanna see results. Not trying to be a dick just being honest.
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I agree. When I used to drink 2-3 days a week, I could never get real lean and hard looking. Looked soft as hell.... it is almost impossible to look vascular/hard if you drink that much.
 
Godstrength said:
I think I saw a post where he says he drinks 20 to 25 beers a week. More so then any significant damage to the liver I'm stating it's counterproductive because alcohol is terrible if you're trying to build. If you do it on a consistent basis you aren't going to see much in terms of progress. I think the liver can handle it no problem it's what it does to the rest of the body cortisol levels estrogen levels and empty calories Etc. That makes it counterproductive.

That said I think what you're talking about is moderate and I don't really see any problem with drinking a couple times a month.
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I said 15-20 but close enough. I was originally just trying to do a body transformation for myself but now I’m doing it for you too, Godstrength

The amount I drink varies but it’s been in the 15-20 a week range recently. Sometimes I won’t drink at all for a couple weeks and then other times I drink in that range. And I disagree about it being impossible to be lean and hardened while drinking regularly but it certainly makes it way harder because you have to make up for those empty calories by burning more throughout the day or skipping actual food which is obviously unhealthy. I work with three different guys who drink just about every night and they all have solid 6 packs. One of them is a cardio freak and does triathlons but the other two don’t even workout outside of our labor job. They’re anomalies though. Also, I should mention they’re far from jacked but they have a solid foundation of muscle.

I’m gonna go run up some hills now to burn off those beer calories from last night.
 
Godstrength said:
I think I saw a post where he says he drinks 20 to 25 beers a week. More so then any significant damage to the liver I'm stating it's counterproductive because alcohol is terrible if you're trying to build. If you do it on a consistent basis you aren't going to see much in terms of progress. I think the liver can handle it no problem it's what it does to the rest of the body cortisol levels estrogen levels and empty calories Etc. That makes it counterproductive.

That said I think what you're talking about is moderate and I don't really see any problem with drinking a couple times a month.
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I gotcha, yeah I didn't realize 20 drinks a week. I know at times when I've drank more in my life that my body goes down quickly! Try to balance it out now. Like to have a couple beers or drinks with wife or friends occasionally but still want to start in better shape too.

I've been really lean before but felt like my whole life revolved around staying that way and improving.
 
Chados said:
It's not life treatening just a bit stupid to stress your body more and hinder your gains. Lgd is probably not even toxic to the liver and if so very little. Alcohol just like steroids cause more damage than just the liver.

Let's say you drink a bottle of whiskey and you take 150mg of anadrol with an healthy liver and I'm pretty sure all you'd see is a bad hangover but with time the steroids will definitely give you all the problems you'd normally get from alcohol like cholesterol problems, bad liver etc way faster.

I have been drinking on gear but I will never say that I think it's smart. If you can stay away from it (which you can), do it.
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Well , we hear all those stories in all those YouTube shoot interviews wrestlers do about how a lot of them would drink after a show ............ and a lot of those guys were constantly using steroids and other drugs . Some of them are now dead, Lol , but plenty of them are not . Stone Cold is still pretty healthy and he's gone into great detail about his drinking . I'm obviously talking about his off-camera drinking , not that crap in the ring where he spilled over half of every can of beer he drank .
 
Irish Red said:
Well , we hear all those stories in all those YouTube shoot interviews wrestlers do about how a lot of them would drink after a show ............ and a lot of those guys were constantly using steroids and other drugs . Some of them are now dead, Lol , but plenty of them are not . Stone Cold is still pretty healthy and he's gone into great detail about his drinking . I'm obviously talking about his off-camera drinking , not that crap in the ring where he spilled over half of every can of beer he drank .
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Yeah it could be a reason for sure but also genetics and other drugs mixed in the system. It's impossible to say how much your body or my body can take.. It's just never the same for everyone and that's why I don't like when people call things safe when these things obviously kills people.
 
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