Six meals every three hours a scam?

CountryLiftin said:
Constant feeding actually causes your body to store more fat, because your mind tells your body that you have plenty of food, and that it doesn't need to use what fat is stored in the body.

This can get infinitely complicated and debated. But the facts are that IF works, and small meals CAN work, especially in a bulk (IMO).
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In the past two months I gained 13 lbs and only went up 1.5% bf and i do little to zero cardio
 
I hate to say it but so has every other fad diet for the past 30 years :D

That said, I am with ya but it certainly seems like crap changes non stop and gets written in stone with studies to support it, then debunked, then becomes gospel again years later

It's ALL gartbage IMO

For me?

5-6 small meals a day of lean meat, healthy fats and tons of greens.....and avoid processed crap and "cheat" when I feel like it.

After awhile, you just have to figure out what works for you

I actually put on FAT on the IM Diet and felt like CRAP

I get RIPPED on 6 SMALL meals per day

So, just more proof every oner needs to figure out what works for them

The older I get, the less I listen. LOL. Everyone's full of poop and the ONLY fact anyone can prove is that no one diet will work for every person.

Carbs are in, carbs are out, fat is in fat is out, saturated fat is good then bad, PWO windows, PWO carbs, grains are healthy, grains are the devil, gluten is the devil, gluten is fine, glycemic index matters, glycemic index is crap, egg yollks are satan, egg yolks are healthy, Atkins, Pritikin, IM fasting is the way to go, No eatign 10x/day is and dont forget that miracle dose of protein and cottage chz mix before bed time, caesein verses whey, milk makes you fat, but milk makes you get lean, sodioum is bad, sodium is dabomb diggity, CLA is da bomb, CLA stinks, hydolyzed whey is superior, whey concentrate is just fine, soy is GOD today then the devil tomorow.... all complete utterly annoying propaganda and BS IMO

Rant over :D


hvactech said:
hmmm i wonder why diets like leangains, warrior, tkd, ckd and a plethora of others have such great results.....
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Whacked said:
I hate to say it but so has every other fad diet for the past 30 years :D

That said, I am with ya but it certainly seems like crap changes non stop and gets written in stone with studies to support it, then debunked, then becomes gospel again years later

It's ALL gartbage IMO

For me?

5-6 small meals a day of lean meat, healthy fats and tons of greens.....and avoid processed crap and "cheat" when I feel like it.

After awhile, you just have to figure out what works for you

I actually put on FAT on the IM Diet and felt like CRAP

I get RIPPED on 6 SMALL meals per day

So, just more proof every oner needs to figure out what works for them

The older I get, the less I listen. LOL. Everyone's full of poop and the ONLY fact anyone can prove is that no one diet will work for every person.

Carbs are in, carbs are out, fat is in fat is out, saturated fat is good then bad, PWO windows, PWO carbs, grains are healthy, grains are the devil, gluten is the devil, gluten is fine, glycemic index matters, glycemic index is crap, egg yollks are satan, egg yolks are healthy, Atkins, Pritikin, IM fasting is the way to go, No eatign 10x/day is and dont forget that miracle dose of protein and cottage chz mix before bed time, caesein verses whey, milk makes you fat, but milk makes you get lean, sodioum is bad, sodium is dabomb diggity, CLA is da bomb, CLA stinks, hydolyzed whey is superior, whey concentrate is just fine, soy is GOD today then the devil tomorow.... all complete utterly annoying propaganda and BS IMO

Rant over :D
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Well said. Needs to be stickies.
 
T-Bone said:
What does doing cardio have to do with this conversation?. I'm just confused at your response is all.
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Its was stated that constant eating (as i assumed he ment 5-6 small meals) you put more fat on, and i said how i only went up a little bf% and so no one could then say hey u could have done cardio to help keep bf down, i simply said i barely did any.

Rodja said:
And how was the BF% measured? Calipers?
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caliper and a machine at my gym, not 100% accurate i understand but used it as a guildline (checked multi times)
 
Whacked said:
I hate to say it but so has every other fad diet for the past 30 years :D

That said, I am with ya but it certainly seems like crap changes non stop and gets written in stone with studies to support it, then debunked, then becomes gospel again years later

It's ALL gartbage IMO

For me?

5-6 small meals a day of lean meat, healthy fats and tons of greens.....and avoid processed crap and "cheat" when I feel like it.

After awhile, you just have to figure out what works for you

I actually put on FAT on the IM Diet and felt like CRAP

I get RIPPED on 6 SMALL meals per day

So, just more proof every oner needs to figure out what works for them

The older I get, the less I listen. LOL. Everyone's full of poop and the ONLY fact anyone can prove is that no one diet will work for every person.

Carbs are in, carbs are out, fat is in fat is out, saturated fat is good then bad, PWO windows, PWO carbs, grains are healthy, grains are the devil, gluten is the devil, gluten is fine, glycemic index matters, glycemic index is crap, egg yollks are satan, egg yolks are healthy, Atkins, Pritikin, IM fasting is the way to go, No eatign 10x/day is and dont forget that miracle dose of protein and cottage chz mix before bed time, caesein verses whey, milk makes you fat, but milk makes you get lean, sodioum is bad, sodium is dabomb diggity, CLA is da bomb, CLA stinks, hydolyzed whey is superior, whey concentrate is just fine, soy is GOD today then the devil tomorow.... all complete utterly annoying propaganda and BS IMO

Rant over :D
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agreed 100% on the "everyone is different" statement, my post was just in reference to everyone who says that the 6 meals a day idea is the "best" way to diet, ive been free styling my diet for years with decent results...
 
We've got 30+ feet of digestive length in our bodies and you're supposed to believe that +/- 1 hour will make a significant difference in anything? Please....

The only reason I eat every 3-4 hours is when I'm trying to cram in 5,000-6,000 calories per day.
 
O Boy I Love to eat!
I can eat 24/7 I swear I can. But only small meals. Big meals are killing me. For me 5meals are the best for now.
But 25years ago when I played city soccer league I was on 2meals full of energy and shredded as a hell :-)
Diet is a big puzzle and everyone is playing with different pieces on a different board.
 
Eating big meals is just uncomfortable for me, like trying to cram down 1500kcals over 3 meals is like a battle. So I spread it out. Whacked said it all anyway
 
I was doing 24 hour fasts for 4 months (once a week) just for the benifits of fasting. I noticed the feeling i got towards the end of the fast and during the opening of the feeding window and loved it so i switched to Lean Gains.

I like Lean Gains because i am able to eat a real meal (portion wise) and my strength has actually gone up while losing weight.

I also never feel bloated, ever in IF.

Lastly, its nice to give your body some time off from digestion.

find what works for you and dont be afraid to try different approaches.
 
Meal timing really doesn't matter.

But changing the frequency of when you eat has to happen depending on what your trying to do at that time.

For instance I will eat maybe 6 times a day when I'm trying to ******** just because I don't want to feel full when it comes to my next meal if I were to adhere to a 3 meals a day plan.
Whereas when I'm cutting (i.e right now) on lower kcal than normal(2400) having 2-3 meals a day is what I go for as it keeps me better satiated.
Whatever you prefer is what you should do.There is no evidence for people in normal everyday jobs who weight train that eating 6 times a day is better than 3 times a day.

In fact Layne Norton a natural professional bodybuilder has done some amino acid research and has proven that the human body is more sensitive to amino acids when meals are spaced 4-5 hours apart.
Here's the study on amino acidsInvalid Link Removed
and here's the one on protein synthesis Invalid Link Removed
 
Just a quick question.... So if meal timing is irrelevant would it be detrimental to train fasted around 6-7 am ( fasted without bcaa ) and then get all my macros around 11am - 7 pm? Pretty much all I'm asking is anyone going almost 5 hours post workout without eating and seeing results.
 
0071982WC said:
Just a quick question.... So if meal timing is irrelevant would it be detrimental to train fasted around 6-7 am ( fasted without bcaa ) and then get all my macros around 11am - 7 pm? Pretty much all I'm asking is anyone going almost 5 hours post workout without eating and seeing results.
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I come from a strength perspective, so keep that in mind, but I have noticed zero negative impact in my strength gains from this scenario. I'd still recommend the BCAA at some point in there, though.
 
0071982WC said:
Just a quick question.... So if meal timing is irrelevant would it be detrimental to train fasted around 6-7 am ( fasted without bcaa ) and then get all my macros around 11am - 7 pm? Pretty much all I'm asking is anyone going almost 5 hours post workout without eating and seeing results.
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You'd just have to test it yourself.You will be more sensitive to amino acids but catabolism doesn't begin taking place until a minimum of 48 hours.But that was a study on sedentary individuals so the carryover would be tough to unconver.But 3hrs after the workout I believe would be fine.
 
Science makes everybody question their current practices.

Being brainwashed from bodybuilding.com/ (Jim Stoppani and others that will go unknown) does not help my reliability or my credentials here. But I would like to say that the Whacked user obviously makes the most rational approach. However, out of curiosity, after reading leangains and a ton of other people who also believe in the "intermittent fasting" theory, I decided to find out for myself, not on internet boards, about what actual nutritionists believe about these theories.

They all say the exact same thing = eating MORE frequently (this does not mean EVERY 3 hours or 6-8 meals a day) than three meals a day in smaller (relatively) with a good source of protein has a STRONG POSSIBILITY OF positively affecting insulin resistance, basal metabolic rate (BML), lipolysis (varied in the responses), muscle growth (keeping the body in an anabolic state by reducing cortisol and NOT REMOVING IT).
Another person (a bodybuilder with ridiculous genetic gifts and a surprisingly high IQ) says that you SHOULD EAT AT LEAST 4 MEALS a day with a good source of protein.
A good source of protein, scientifically, according to the Graduate Center for Gerontology, University of Kentucky The Division of Rehabilitation Sciences
is 30 grams of protein.
Go to Pubmed, search for "A moderate serving of high-quality protein maximally stimulates skeletal muscle protein synthesis in young and elderly subjects" (title search)

This source also says that any more than 30 grams of protein in one meal will not affect augmentation or hypertrophy of muscles any more than 30 will at ONE TIME, in fact, other studies say that excess protein (in this case the grams > 30) will be removed through waste and unavailable for usage from the body.
This, sort of, disbands the "Intermittent fasting theory" because since these theories are based off of getting the right macros in, and if you can only utilize 30 grams of protein at one time (or in one meal), those people who use the "one meal theory" or the "4 hour window" will not be getting sufficient amounts of utilizable protein to sustain proper muscle growth, fat loss, or even the recommended macros defined by the FDA and ADA (Which are the most basic of requirements in the history of everything).

AND this amount of protein needed for each meal DOES NOT CHANGE WITH AGING, as proven by Division of Rehabilitation Sciences, The University of Texas Medical Branch, Galveston, TX. Anybody, any age, can maximally promote protein synthesis with a meal of 30 grams of protein. Any more is useless.
Go to pubmed, search for "Aging does not impair the anabolic response to a protein-rich meal." (title search)
 
I never believed the 30 grams of protein thing. It just does not make sense to me that humans would evolve that way. Ancient man would only really eat protein when he hunted and killed an animal lol. He would then gorge himself and not eat protein again until another kill was made. Almost every predatory animal eats this way as well.

Also, look at the people who have had success on IF diets. Some eat 100 grams in one meal. Doesn't seem like this 30 gram rule is hampering them.
 
Yeah that 30 grams of protein per meal thing is total BS. I don't care who said it. Science doesn't make me question anything. I don't base what I do on what some pencil neck geek in a lab tells me. I base what I do on what works for me and only I can figure that out for myself. If a way of eating or working out is working for me and "science" says its not suppose to work, well then screw science!.
 
This is an interesting point bc the old schools of thought say that you need to eat every 2 to 3 hours and new evidence is showing that you don't need to eat nearly that often. IMO it doesn't matter that much either way...if you hit your macro totals for the day and try to get your protein from whole protein sources eat slow digesting carbs and get your fat from good sources like nuts then your going to get great results weather it is spaced out over 2 meals or 7. For me I feel like I have to eat 6 meals a day bc I just can't fit one third of the total amount of food I need in a day during one sitting plus I feel that eating more often helps me stay on track with my diet. But hey...I could be wrong as hell try the various methods and see what works for you
 
I want to first state, I am going to give this IF thing a shot & I know people who are having great results with it.

Anyone mention that NO professional bodybuilders are doing this (at least to my knowledge).They've been doing it for over 50yrs with better results than most anyone here Eating every few hours works! The IF is just more convenient for the recreational weight lifter/bodybuilder.

If I remember correctly a lot of faster studies are due with regular people, my calorie/nutrient requirements and timing are a hell of a lot different than my fat or skinny friend who just goes to work, takes kids to soccer & goes fishing every once in a while.

As others have mentioned before, each person is different. I def wouldn't write off eating every 2-3 hours, it obviously works & works great. If you argue that, you're an idiot. However, Is it necessary for the masses? Possibly not.
 
Distilled Water said:
I want to first state, I am going to give this IF thing a shot & I know people who are having great results with it.

Anyone mention that NO professional bodybuilders are doing this (at least to my knowledge).They've been doing it for over 50yrs with better results than most anyone here Eating every few hours works! The IF is just more convenient for the recreational weight lifter/bodybuilder.

If I remember correctly a lot of faster studies are due with regular people, my calorie/nutrient requirements and timing are a hell of a lot different than my fat or skinny friend who just goes to work, takes kids to soccer & goes fishing every once in a while.

As others have mentioned before, each person is different. I def wouldn't write off eating every 2-3 hours, it obviously works & works great. If you argue that, you're an idiot. However, Is it necessary for the masses? Possibly not.
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I'm not arguing that eating every few hours won't work. I am arguing that more than 30 grams of protein in a meal won't be used by the body.
 
boogyman said:
I'm not arguing that eating every few hours won't work. I am arguing that more than 30 grams of protein in a meal won't be used by the body.
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His comment wasnt aimed at your 30g of protein story. The threads about eating every 3 hours, he was just contributing to that argument.

Your arguing that <30gs can only be used?
 
boogyman said:
I'm not arguing that eating every few hours won't work. I am arguing that more than 30 grams of protein in a meal won't be used by the body.
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I think the body I'm some way shape or form uses everything u put in it in one way shape or form.
 
Jiigzz said:
His comment wasnt aimed at your 30g of protein story. The threads about eating every 3 hours, he was just contributing to that argument.

Your arguing that <30gs can only be used?
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No the opposite, my reply was poorly worded. I think if I eat a huge steak that has 70 grams of protein that my body is going to use most of it.
 
The argument is completely arbitrary as the reason we eat a high protein diet is just to maintian a nitrogen balance that's favourable for muscle growth.These studies that say that you can't eat more than 30g protein at a time are really just silly.It would make an all IFBB pro's about 180lbs of just lbm or about that if it were true.

Look at the science surrounding protein synthesis and it's easy to see that nitrogen balance can be maintained with a moderate intake in as many sitting as you would like.
 
for me meals spaced works well, but calories are calories and hitting macro's is most important.
 
boogyman said:
No the opposite, my reply was poorly worded. I think if I eat a huge steak that has 70 grams of protein that my body is going to use most of it.
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Thought so. And I agree 100%
 
Layne Norton's study showed that once a level of luecine was reached (3-4 g if I'm not mistaken), regardless the source, there was not an increase in protein synthesis beyond that total. Nitrogen balance continued to be altered due to the other uses of dietary protein but I believe myofibrillar protein synthesis was topped out. This lead to the conclusion 4-5 meals to optimize protein synthesis.

Not saying anybody is right or wrong, but It's food for thought. I encourage you guys to read the study. I'd link it but I'm on my phone
 
His notion was to take in bcaas I between meals to peak leucine. Not smaller meals more often.

He recommends bcaas.
 
Fair, but he does state 4-5 meals which is more than typically recommended by the more popular fasting protocols, if I'm not mistaken.
 
Whacked said:
I hate to say it but so has every other fad diet for the past 30 years :D

That said, I am with ya but it certainly seems like crap changes non stop and gets written in stone with studies to support it, then debunked, then becomes gospel again years later

It's ALL gartbage IMO

For me?

5-6 small meals a day of lean meat, healthy fats and tons of greens.....and avoid processed crap and "cheat" when I feel like it.

After awhile, you just have to figure out what works for you

I actually put on FAT on the IM Diet and felt like CRAP

I get RIPPED on 6 SMALL meals per day

So, just more proof every oner needs to figure out what works for them

The older I get, the less I listen. LOL. Everyone's full of poop and the ONLY fact anyone can prove is that no one diet will work for every person.

Carbs are in, carbs are out, fat is in fat is out, saturated fat is good then bad, PWO windows, PWO carbs, grains are healthy, grains are the devil, gluten is the devil, gluten is fine, glycemic index matters, glycemic index is crap, egg yollks are satan, egg yolks are healthy, Atkins, Pritikin, IM fasting is the way to go, No eatign 10x/day is and dont forget that miracle dose of protein and cottage chz mix before bed time, caesein verses whey, milk makes you fat, but milk makes you get lean, sodioum is bad, sodium is dabomb diggity, CLA is da bomb, CLA stinks, hydolyzed whey is superior, whey concentrate is just fine, soy is GOD today then the devil tomorow.... all complete utterly annoying propaganda and BS IMO

Rant over :D
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Amen I'll rep when I get to computer. I hated IF I got fatter on it cause I couldn't control what I ate during my window plain and simple, hate fasted training. I eat 5-6 times have total control and discipline. They all work and they all don't just depends on peoples preference. There will be some damn study in a couple years or so saying some new way of doing it is the way to go. Bottom like have an open mind try all diet styles see what actually works for YOU.

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bean5er said:
Amen I'll rep when I get to computer. I hated IF I got fatter on it cause I couldn't control what I ate during my window plain and simple, hate fasted training. I eat 5-6 times have total control and discipline. They all work and they all don't just depends on peoples preference. There will be some damn study in a couple years or so saying some new way of doing it is the way to go. Bottom like have an open mind try all diet styles see what actually works for YOU.

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Maybe you weren't using the ultimate bandaid for bad meals stack ;).

I get fatter on more meals. To each his own
 
EBF Inc said:
Maybe you weren't using the ultimate bandaid for bad meals stack ;).

I get fatter on more meals. To each his own
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True I didn't discover recomp and aav2 till after my go with IF :-( but seriously I had some digestive issues while on IF and absolutely NO discipline. Lol

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Polar opposite here. Just goes to show you how everyone needs to find their sweet spot ;)

Im back up to 6 (from 4) meals and lean meats and greens and Im getting lean again from the smaller meals yet staying sane with the frequency. win win

EBF Inc said:
Maybe you weren't using the ultimate bandaid for bad meals stack ;).

I get fatter on more meals. To each his own
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Whacked said:
Polar opposite here. Just goes to show you how everyone needs to find their sweet spot ;)

Im back up to 6 (from 4) meals and lean meats and greens and Im getting lean again from the smaller meals yet staying sane with the frequency. win win
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Same here. 6 meals a day has always worked best for me and given me my best gains.
 
I thought about going back to that but I need fasted training. Then takes me a while to cook so even if I try. I end up w a 16 hr fast
 
i think when you are on cycle it would be best to get in protein every few hours because of the high rate of protein synthesis, but every 3 hours exactly isn't really needed. however i wouldn't eat like 2 monster meals in a day. i personally like 4 solid meals and a shake. that way i am not in the kitchen every two hours.
 
I cook everything as soon as I wake up froi the ENTIRE day and sandwhich baggie everything!!! Portions too

Works great.

I am so bad, I bought a mini oven (expensive tho at $200) in additiion to the other 2 ovens my house already has to assist with ALL the cooking I do each AM

Only takes 30 minutes for all 6 meals! but I am very efficient now

lol



EBF Inc said:
I thought about going back to that but I need fasted training. Then takes me a while to cook so even if I try. I end up w a 16 hr fast
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Whacked said:
I cook everything as soon as I wake up froi the ENTIRE day and sandwhich baggie everything!!! Portions too

Works great.

I am so bad, I bought a mini oven (expensive tho at $200) in additiion to the other 2 ovens my house already has to assist with ALL the cooking I do each AM

Only takes 30 minutes for all 6 meals! but I am very efficient now

lol
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I love binge eating. Lol I can't control myself. This way I cook it and usually eat it all in a sitting lol.
 
Same here man......same here :(

I am obsessed with food :(
 
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