Shutdown help needed from Dr. D!

LakeMountD said:
Tribulus will do nothing but raise your libido. It does nothing to the steroid hormones naturally produced by your body.
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WRONG!!! FOUL!!!


This herbal supplement has been used for centuries in Eastern cultures, and the active ingredient is extracted from the fruits. The fruits contain alkaloids, resins, tannins, sugars, sterols, essential oil, peroxidase, diastase and glucoside.

It has been used as a diuretic, tonic and aphrodisiac, urinary disorders, gout, impotence etc.

The saponins contained in this product is thought to help convert androstenedione and DHEA into testosterone, since a low level of luteinizing hormone in the body will impede the conversion.

Since tribulus terrestris helps with increasing the level of the luteinizing hormone in the body, the formation and synthesis of the testicular male sex hormone testosterone would be improved.
 
Bro, go to pubmed and type in tribulus. You will see it for yourself. This topic has been discussed countless times on the boards.
 
Here you go:

The aphrodisiac herb Tribulus terrestris does not influence the androgen production in young men.

Neychev VK, Mitev VI.

Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry, Medical University, 2 Zdrave str., Sofia-1431, Bulgaria. [email protected]

OBJECTIVE: The aim of the current study is to investigate the influence of Tribulus terrestris extract on androgen metabolism in young males. DESIGN AND METHODS: Twenty-one healthy young 20-36 years old men with body weight ranging from 60 to 125 kg were randomly separated into three groups-two experimental (each n=7) and a control (placebo) one (n=7). The experimental groups were named TT1 and TT2 and the subjects were assigned to consume 20 and 10 mg/kg body weight per day of Tribulus terrestris extract, respectively, separated into three daily intakes for 4 weeks. Testosterone, androstenedione and luteinizing hormone levels in the serum were measured 24 h before supplementation (clear probe), and at 24, 72, 240, 408 and 576 h from the beginning of the supplementation. RESULTS: There was no significant difference between Tribulus terrestris supplemented groups and controls in the serum testosterone (TT1 (mean+/-S.D.: 15.75+/-1.75 nmol/l); TT2 (mean+/-S.D.: 16.32+/-1.57 nmol/l); controls (mean+/-S.D.: 17.74+/-1.09 nmol/l) (p>0.05)), androstenedione (TT1 (mean+/-S.D.: 1.927+/-0.126 ng/ml); TT2 (mean+/-S.D.: 2.026+/-0.256 ng/ml); controls (mean+/-S.D.: 1.952+/-0.236 ng/ml) (p>0.05)) or luteinizing hormone (TT1 (mean+/-S.D.: 4.662+/-0.274U/l); TT2 (mean+/-S.D.: 4.103+/-0.869U/l); controls (mean+/-S.D.: 4.170+/-0.406U/l) (p>0.05)) levels. All results were within the normal range. The findings in the current study anticipate that Tribulus terrestris steroid saponins possess neither direct nor indirect androgen-increasing properties. The study will be extended in the clarifying the probable mode of action of Tribulus terrestris steroid saponins.

Publication Types:
• Randomized Controlled Trial

PMID: 15994038 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]
 
200wannabe said:
RESULTS: There was no significant difference between Tribulus terrestris supplemented groups and controls in the serum testosterone (TT1 (mean+/-S.D.: 15.75+/-1.75 nmol/l); TT2 (mean+/-S.D.: 16.32+/-1.57 nmol/l); controls (mean+/-S.D.: 17.74+/-1.09 nmol/l) (p>0.05)), androstenedione (TT1 (mean+/-S.D.: 1.927+/-0.126 ng/ml); TT2 (mean+/-S.D.: 2.026+/-0.256 ng/ml); controls (mean+/-S.D.: 1.952+/-0.236 ng/ml) (p>0.05)) or luteinizing hormone (TT1 (mean+/-S.D.: 4.662+/-0.274U/l); TT2 (mean+/-S.D.: 4.103+/-0.869U/l); controls (mean+/-S.D.: 4.170+/-0.406U/l) (p>0.05)) levels. All results were within the normal range.
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Thanks 200wannabe, I am not gonna lie I was tired as heck last night and as I know there are MANY threads (a couple of which I have started) on this same exact debate, I really didn't feel like digging last night haha.
 
Wow...just saw this thread. Can't believe you got shut down so hard from 3 weeks of Ergomax Joey, that's crazy. I do hope everything is going well...I'd also try to find a different doc that's used to dealing with these types of issues.

BV
 
Yo guys,

Sorry for the lack of updates. The hCG seemed to help a bit. Afterwards, my balls were a bit bigger, but I still didn't feel 100%. So I started a month-long cycle of ActivaTe and 6-OXO. During the cycle, libido rebounded, and I was shooting normal loads to pre-Ergomax. But since I have ceased the cycle, my libido is shot again. I am gaining fat, and strength in the gym is plateauing. I am thinking of giving hGH a shot (no pun intended) since it has shown to be useful in hypogonadism. Thoughts?

J.
 
i belive usp labs powerfull has been shown to lower prolactin levels

have u thought of just running a nat test booster?
 
ECTOmorph said:
i belive usp labs powerfull has been shown to lower prolactin levels

have u thought of just running a nat test booster?
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I ran the modified NHA stack. I felt good during the stack but shut down when I quit. Still trying to recover.

J.
 
joeyg said:
I ran the modified NHA stack. I felt good during the stack but shut down when I quit. Still trying to recover.

J.
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i meant something more along the line diesel test 2010

the nha stack is an ai and (nettle root extract) which only raises free test

anywayz some simple innexpensive stuff u might wanna look into would be diesel test, powerfull, hyperdrol, jungle warfare, paravol....paravol looks underdosed but all the logs seem to be great, most results come around week 2. take it for granet tho considering not all logs are 100% honest
 
Man, this permanent HPTA shutdown is a scary thing. "Jacked for 3 months... ruined for life." We should all think about that.
 
SubliminalX said:
Man, this permanent HPTA shutdown is a scary thing. "Jacked for 3 months... ruined for life." We should all think about that.
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Agreed. As a first-hand sufferer, I suggest stay away from orals and use real gear instead. There is much more history behind real gear. Orals f#ck your liver and who knows what else. For me, it went blitzkrieg on my poor nut sack, libido, and body fat.

J.
 
SubliminalX said:
Man, this permanent HPTA shutdown is a scary thing. "Jacked for 3 months... ruined for life." We should all think about that.
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Indeed. Everyone should carefully consider how they alter their body chemistry.
 
joeyg said:
Agreed. As a first-hand sufferer, I suggest stay away from orals and use real gear instead. There is much more history behind real gear. Orals f#ck your liver and who knows what else. For me, it went blitzkrieg on my poor nut sack, libido, and body fat.

J.
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Who's to say that traditional gear wouldn't have done the same? Could be something genetic that makes your endocrine system go haywire from any hormonal perturbance, or that your endocrine system is defective and was going to shutdown at your age regardless of whether you took roids or not. Many possibilities.
 
SubliminalX said:
Who's to say that traditional gear wouldn't have done the same? Could be something genetic that makes your endocrine system go haywire from any hormonal perturbance, or that your endocrine system is defective and was going to shutdown at your age regardless of whether you took roids or not. Many possibilities.
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I had gotten a clean bill of health before touching the Ergomax and no endocrine problems run in my family. So I doubt there was some type of ticking time bomb in my system. You may be right about real gear. I guess the only test is for me to try it. But I don't think I will do that now.

J.
 
joeyg said:
I had gotten a clean bill of health before touching the Ergomax and no endocrine problems run in my family. So I doubt there was some type of ticking time bomb in my system. You may be right about real gear. I guess the only test is for me to try it. But I don't think I will do that now.

J.
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Hey Joey --- just do it man. Quit playing with all those weeds and God knows what's in that other commercially designed material to take your money and screw up your body. It's all hype, like Mr O uses this stuff! Hercules grew on FenguGreek. Atlas got hugh on red meat. When did BB's start getting really BIG?
 
eisenmench said:
Hey Joey --- just do it man. Quit playing with all those weeds and God knows what's in that other commercially designed material to take your money and screw up your body. It's all hype, like Mr O uses this stuff! Hercules grew on FenguGreek. Atlas got hugh on red meat. When did BB's start getting really BIG?
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I personally would advise against it until he gets his endocrine system back to normal (if he can at all). First things first.
 
Joey, did you ever wonder if its the finasteride causing the problems? I know a lot of people on the propecia side effects forum who have normal hormones, but symptoms similar to shutdown. Did you ever bounce back?
 
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