shouldnt longjack be cycled?

rkretz

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Whenever I see a longjack product they say to cycle like 5 days on 1 day off or something. I asked chuck diesel because of his diesel test product and he stated longjack needs to be cycled. Is this not the case with Alpha Drive?
 
Good question. I have always taken longjack 5 days on 2 days off. However I got info from tongkatali.org that said there have been different protocols like 7 days on 3 days off, and I believ they said bodybuilders would use 1 month on with no break, I will have to dig up the email.
 
Hmm. This looks interesting. I guess it won't harm 30 days continuous use, but like everything, I guess it will lose effectiveness if not cycled.
 
Long Jack in particularly needs to be cycled 5 days out off 7 on. You can run it for about 2-3 weeks straight but usually after that it starts working against you.

Tribulus is different; it works better 30 days straight and not 5 days a week.
 
This sounds correct to me as it is consistent to some of the studies and logs that I have come across as well as and most important to me personal experience. However, I wouldn't go so far as to say it worked against me, just lost effectiveness or "feel."
 
anabolik1 said:
This sounds correct to me as it is consistent to some of the studies and logs that I have come across as well as and most important to me personal experience. However, I wouldn't go so far as to say it worked against me, just lost effectiveness or "feel."
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Well I say worked against you because for a while long jack will increase your dhea...........after continue use, it will cause a loop back that shuts down your LH and DHEA production. Not in everyone but the majority.
 
Chuck Diesel said:
Well I say worked against you because for a while long jack will increase your dhea...........after continue use, it will cause a loop back that shuts down your LH and DHEA production. Not in everyone but the majority.
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Chuck Diesel said:
..Long Jack in particularly needs to be cycled 5 days out off 7 on. ..
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What studies or research do you base these on?

Any reference? Thanks in advance.....
 
so is it necessary to use alpha drive in this manner then? i dont think any of the testers are doing this protocol. interesting...
 
As with everything we can't have our cake and eat it too. I've always taken 7 on 3 off with Longjack. We have to remember that eventually most supps need to be cycled. Our bodies are amazining machines that will either adapt to or shut down it's natural production of whatever were taking. Damn the bodybuiding gods!:D
 
jminis said:
As with everything we can't have our cake and eat it too. I've always taken 7 on 3 off with Longjack. We have to remember that eventually most supps need to be cycled. Our bodies are amazining machines that will either adapt to or shut down it's natural production of whatever were taking. Damn the bodybuiding gods!:D
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yeah esp. with natural supplement, or "herbal" ingredeints. The body knows herbs, once it realizes whats going on from an herb (as well as many things) it adapts. You start eating less calories, in a few days your metabolism will slow down. Its how we work.
 
BioHazzard said:
What studies or research do you base these on?

Any reference? Thanks in advance.....
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I dont base that on studies because there are few studies on Long Jack. I base that on personal experience and feedback from testers of products I have done that contain long jack and the premise of how long jack works.

I also noticed this is the Bioscience section so I wont post here because I dont want you guys to think im coming into your section saying some things wrong with a product u make.

But I will say Tribulus is something that works over time, long jack kicks in faster but has to by cycled. I actually took long jack out of a product because the directions had to be best for the long jack but those directions were not best for the other ingredients. Like I know ATD doesn’t work best 5 days a week.

Long jack is good, when you’re dealing with a good extract. Its probably the only herb that will increase test naturally alone besides a good Tribulus extract.
 
Interestingly enough I came across a study done on Eurycoma Longifolia showing a significant increase in the laevator ani muscle...curious ;)

...But back to the topic of this thread. Chuck is right, there really aren't enough studies done on Tongkat Ali to quantitatively measure the most beneficial method of cycling for this "potent" herb. However, the studies clinically authenticating it's benefit in raising total/free testosterone and LH as well as lowering SHBG were all based on "longterm consecutive" use (around 8-12 weeks or longer). These theoretical "short burst" cycling protocols are speculations based on opinion (which doesn't make it wrong per se) it's just that there are many variables which need to be clearly defined and observed before brand stamping it as a general rule of thumb. :banned:

"And what might some of those variables be?" you might ask...well it's not known, that's why we are having this rhetorical discussion are we not :D but here are just a couple of my "theoretical opinions" (and keep in mind I'm no rocket scientist [light years from it] so take my 2 cents at face value).

1) There are various fractions of Eurycoma Longifolia and unfortunately mother nature isn't static and the potencies of these fractions are not always constant. With the aid of ALRI's research and developement team we have successfully isolated one of the pure active constituents of Tongkat Ali and incorporated the highest amounts of this proprietary active fraction in Alpha Drive...300% more than any other product out there! Bottom line: too many fractions with too many inconsistencies to generalize.

2) Another key issue which is not often addressed is the issue of oral bioavailability with Tongkat Ali. Although this herb clinically demonstrates amazing potential, it lacks in oral bioavailability due to first pass metabolism. We observed this problem and triumphed over it by including our proprietary grapefruit extract, CYP-X. Grapefruit has been clinically shown to drastically increase oral bioavailability of substances. One study even showed the half-life of the effect of grapefruit juice on CYP3A4 for up to 12 hours! Bottom line: although the effects of Tongkat Ali are noticed early on, it could be that the results "appear" to subside within a week because of poor oral absorption and shorter half-life.

Now keep in mind these are only MY personal opinions on the matter and with time and testing, we shall see if these other variables could truly be the cloth of misconception surrounding Tongkat. Several of our in house testers reported that the effects in libido were noticed early on but then after the 2 week marker that's when the Alpha Drive kicked into "OVERDRIVE"! Atypical results for a "testosterone booster" such as significant increase in muscle mass and physique recomposition were noted with comments such as "felt like I was ON", etc...

I personally look forward to the feedback from these high calibre testers on AM to see if results carryout across the board. Time will tell...:cheers:
 
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