Should I tell my doc (PCP/IM) I'm on AAS?

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I've always heard that if you tell your doctor you're using AAS that they can potentially cancel your insurance for using illegal substances. Can anyone tell me whether or not I should tell him?

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I've always heard that if you tell your doctor you're using AAS that they can potentially cancel your insurance for using illegal substances. Can anyone tell me whether or not I should tell him?

Thanks in advance,
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Yes, you should definitely tell your doctor. There are protections in place that keep insurance companies from dropping policies for any reason other than not paying your premium on time every month.
 

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I've always heard that if you tell your doctor you're using AAS that they can potentially cancel your insurance for using illegal substances. Can anyone tell me whether or not I should tell him?

Thanks in advance,
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Why do you feel like you need to tell your doctor?
 
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I have no idea on the insurance thing but if you have the chance to then I would absolutely......
 

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I have no idea on the insurance thing but if you have the chance to then I would absolutely......
See this is where i am not so sure what would be the right thing to do.


Because...have you done so much that you have harmed your health to the point that you require medical intervention? Perhaps its time to back off...why are you doing it that way? Whats the point of improving strength and looks if you are killing yourself


I dont know...apart from sudden cardiac arrest i think one can get a pretty good picture on the overall health by monitoring bloods himself, and doing an occasional ecg and echo, and act accordingly. Liver and kidneys and pretty much anything else wont fail overnight from AAS.

Translated... if you stay on top of your bloods 99% of the time i would say health complications from aas (apart from scd) can be avoided by withdrawing those agents before its too late.
 
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Why do you feel like you need to tell your doctor?
Many reasons? So they know what health issues to be on the lookout for. They know not to prescribe meds needlessly or that will interact. They can support you if you run into a major complication.
 

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Many reasons? So they know what health issues to be on the lookout for. They know not to prescribe meds needlessly or that will interact. They can support you if you run into a major complication.
Yeah but that is the point... especially if you are using them recreationally, why use them in a way in which they can harm you?

I am of an opinion that its you who should take preemptive measures and not the doctor, we are talking off label use of illegal drugs no doctor would prescribe to him!
 
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Yeah but that is the point... especially if you are using them recreationally, why use them in a way in which they can harm you?

I am of an opinion that its you who should take preemptive measures and not the doctor.
Even if you don't intend to, things happen. If your doctor is informed, they can offer support. You won't be left trying to figure it out on your own or relying on bro science and what you can Google.
 
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See this is where i am not so sure what would be the right thing to do.


Because...have you done so much that you have harmed your health to the point that you require medical intervention? Perhaps its time to back off...why are you doing it that way? Whats the point of improving strength and looks if you are killing yourself


I dont know...apart from sudden cardiac arrest i think one can get a pretty good picture on the overall health by monitoring bloods himself, and doing an occasional ecg and echo, and act accordingly. Liver and kidneys and pretty much anything else wont fail overnight from AAS.

Translated... if you stay on top of your bloods 99% of the time i would say health complications from aas (apart from scd) can be avoided by withdrawing those agents before its too late.
It's not like I'm dying or anything. But I am on a lot of different medications. I'd prefer to be honest with my doc and let him know I'm using anabolics, so if there's an issue going on with my prostate or my LDL is super high, he can know and understand that.

Right now I'm on a very mild homemade TRT cycle of 250mg of Sustanon and a blend of 225mg Deca Durabolin and 75mg NPP every 2 weeks. I was thinking I could tell him I was just on TRT, but Sustanon isn't prescribed in the US and he would ask me for the doctors name and if he checks and finds out I'm not a patient, he might be suspicious.
 

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It's not like I'm dying or anything. But I am on a lot of different medications. I'd prefer to be honest with my doc and let him know I'm using anabolics, so if there's an issue going on with my prostate or my LDL is super high, he can know and understand that.

Right now I'm on a very mild homemade TRT cycle of 250mg of Sustanon and a blend of 225mg Deca Durabolin and 75mg NPP every 2 weeks. I was thinking I could tell him I was just on TRT, but Sustanon isn't prescribed in the US and he would ask me for the doctors name and if he checks and finds out I'm not a patient, he might be suspicious.
Yeah, i get it. But if you are in States you could go to a trt clinic and get prescribed legally and have access to pharma grade gear.


Just that i feel like we are spoiled children when we mess with illegal dangerous drugs and then go and cry for help at the doc's. Not that i am not guilty of that, as i have done mistakes during my 1st cycle, and hence grown to despise that behavior.
 
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Yeah, i get it. But if you are in States you could go to a trt clinic and get prescribed legally and have access to pharma grade gear.


Just that i feel like we are spoiled children when we mess with illegal dangerous drugs and then go and cry for help at the doc's. Not that i am not guilty of that, as i have done mistakes during my 1st cycle, and hence grown to despise that behavior.
For what we pay for health care in this country, you don't think we have the right to immediate care? Obese diabetics that are eating themselves to death. Alcoholics, drug addicts, and smokers. Reckless drivers, careless workers, etc. Nearly everything people go to the doctor for is self caused. How do you figure that we don't deserve the same care they do? Or, do you believe that none of them have the right to "complain" do a doctor? Life is about taking risks and when those risks go pear shaped on us, we all deserve the best treatment modern medicine can offer, imo.
 

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For what we pay for health care in this country, you don't think we have the right to immediate care? Obese diabetics that are eating themselves to death. Alcoholics, drug addicts, and smokers. Reckless drivers, careless workers, etc. Nearly everything people go to the doctor for is self caused. How do you figure that we don't deserve the same care they do? Or, do you believe that none of them have the right to "complain" do a doctor? Life is about taking risks and when those risks go pear shaped on us, we all deserve the best treatment modern medicine can offer, imo.
Since laws are the way they are, alcohol abuse and steroid abuse wont be looked at in the same light.

Go aheqd, try it out on rqndom people. Tell them you casually drink a shor or two. Nobody will even flinch. Tell that you casually inject testosterone, or take dianabol tablets. They will look at you as if you are the worst scum of this planet.
 
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Since laws are the way they are, alcohol abuse and steroid abuse wont be looked at in the same light.

Go aheqd, try it out on rqndom people. Tell them you casually drink a shor or two. Nobody will even flinch. Tell that you casually inject testosterone, or take dianabol tablets. They will look at you as if you are the worst scum of this planet.
Sure, I understand your point. But, we are talking about sharing your choice to do these things with your trusted doctor. With whom you have confidentially. One who took a Hippocratic oath to do no harm. This doctor should be more than willing to help you self harm in the safest possible way!
 

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Not to mention that there is obviously a "thing" with male hormone abuse and female physicians.

Dont ask how i found out!
 

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How did you find out? 😂
Well lets say i wasnt verbally attacked in such a way even when as a kid i "ran away" from the house to hang out with my buddies and didnt call my parents for 2 days.
 
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Well lets say i wasnt verbally attacked in such a way even when as a kid i "ran away" from the house to hang out with my buddies and didnt call my parents for 2 days.
Yikes! Sounds like you need a new doctor, bud! Mine was super chill about it. She refused to help me get pharm grade stuff, but that didn't really surprise me.
 

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**** doctors man.
I’m a smart guy.
I can afford private drug tests. Costs me maybe $1,000/yr.
I know what to look for.
There’s plenty of information available to us on the web.
99% of docs are going to judge you and tell you you’re an idiot because they’re insecure about knowing NOTHING about PED’a, their use, their interactions, or their true risks.
Do the research, learn from smart people, keep your information confidential, and protect your damn insurance.
I’m not prepared to have a $5m policy cancelled because I couldn’t use the internet properly.
My $0.03.
 
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Yeah but that is the point... especially if you are using them recreationally, why use them in a way in which they can harm you?

I am of an opinion that its you who should take preemptive measures and not the doctor, we are talking off label use of illegal drugs no doctor would prescribe to him!
aren't doctors required by law to note in chart any illegal drugs a person is taking?
 

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If it ends up in the medical record life insurance companies and things such as long term care insurance companies get your medical records before they approve you for a policy and very well might deny you if they see something like that.
 
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A LOT of Excessive Hyperbole in this thread.

LOL.
 
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A LOT of Excessive Hyperbole in this thread.

LOL.
i just checked, doctors are required by law to chart illegal drug abuse, of which steroids are classified-hyperbole?

insurance companies have access to charts-it is possible that adimtting drug abuse could affect future coverage when most needed.

'doctor-patient privilege: does it cover illegal substance abuse'...there is the link.
 
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i just checked, doctors are required by law to chart illegal drug abuse, of which steroids are classified-hyperbole?

insurance companies have access to charts-it is possible that adimtting drug abuse could affect future coverage when most needed.

'doctor-patient privilege: does it cover illegal substance abuse'...there is the link.
This wasn't in response to one of your comments, BT.
I agree with a lot of what you wrote, (and often ... Including yesterday, say similar things to guys I'm talking with).

I do like to read good articles though ....
 
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I didn't reply to one of your comments, BT.
I agree (and often ... Including yesterday, say similar things to guys I'm talking with).

I do like to read good articles though ....
sorry, i wasn't pointing the fickle finger of fate award at you, i just want people to be aware of what they are up against...and yes it is a interesting article, i wasn't sure myself of exactly what the facts were!!! (y)
 
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sorry, i wasn't pointing the fickle finger of fate award at you, i just want people to be aware of what they are up against...and yes it is a interesting article, i wasn't sure myself of exactly what the facts were!!! (y)
I would like to see that article.

Do you have a link?
 
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I would like to see that article.

Do you have a link?
i just checked, doctors are required by law to chart illegal drug abuse, of which steroids are classified-hyperbole?

insurance companies have access to charts-it is possible that adimtting drug abuse could affect future coverage when most needed.

'doctor-patient privilege: does it cover illegal substance abuse'...there is the link.
@Renew1 at the bottom is the name of article, sorry i can't do links
 
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sorry, i wasn't pointing the fickle finger of fate award at you, i just want people to be aware of what they are up against...and yes it is a interesting article, i wasn't sure myself of exactly what the facts were!!! (y)
now this problem we don’t have in the UK.

private healthcare (I have this as well) is often through the company you work for (mine is) and they don’t ask.

the NHS is obviously ‘free’ anyway so your doctor being aware doesn’t affect anything.

so for me I would tell them really as a back up in case things did go wrong ever, at least the professionals are working with the full facts.

it’ll also be far easier to get trt when they know that’s the reason for my low test rather than spending ages looking for other underlying causes.

I’d also have the benefit of free bloods rather than the $120 I pay each time now (no real issue but obviously better to not pay) as they would want to monitor.

in the uk there isn’t really a reason not to and even if you are ok monitoring yourself (like I do) then it’s still a safety net (that said I haven’t told my doctor but I’ve not seen one for about 3 years 😂)
 
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now this problem we don’t have in the UK.

private healthcare (I have this as well) is often through the company you work for (mine is) and they don’t ask.

the NHS is obviously ‘free’ anyway so your doctor being aware doesn’t affect anything.

so for me I would tell them really as a back up in case things did go wrong ever, at least the professionals are working with the full facts.

it’ll also be far easier to get trt when they know that’s the reason for my low test rather than spending ages looking for other underlying causes.

I’d also have the benefit of free bloods rather than the $120 I pay each time now (no real issue but obviously better to not pay) as they would want to monitor.

in the uk there isn’t really a reason not to and even if you are ok monitoring yourself (like I do) then it’s still a safety net (that said I haven’t told my doctor but I’ve not seen one for about 3 years 😂)
you gotta work with what ya got-eh?
 
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So, it sounds like I probably shouldn't tell my doctor I'm on AAS, is the general consensus.
 
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people are free to make own choices, but for me i would NOT say anything about AAS use-never!!!
In some ways, you're putting your own health and life at risk by not saying anything. It's such a shame we live in a country where we can't even be honest with our own doctors for fear our health insurance could be completely taken away.
 
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In some ways, you're putting your own health and life at risk by not saying anything. It's such a shame we live in a country where we can't even be honest with our own doctors for fear our health insurance could be completely taken away.
non-prescribed AAS are illegal, when use them we are for all intents and purposes breaking the law. it is a choice, and choices usually come with circumstances.
 
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non-prescribed AAS are illegal, when when use them we are for all intents and purposes breaking the law. it is a choice, and choices usually come with circumstances.
That's true, but it shouldn't come with the consequences of not being able to tell our own doctors, who oversee our entire medical history, what's going on with our bodies, and major decisions that can potentially have life or death outcomes for us. I remember reading The Adonis Complex about body/muscle dysmorphia, and the Dr. who wrote it was commenting on how amazed he was that his patients knew more about steroids than he could ever dream of. Probably all of us know more about AAS than our doctors.

I've actually heard doctors spend most of their day doing paperwork, having to document everything because there are so many malpractice claims that they can get exposed to, they don't have time to keep up on the latest medical research and information, even though we would expect them too.

But, in Europe and most of the rest of the world, patients can freely talk to their doctors about any kind of illegal drug they take without any repercussions. In another book, Legal Muscle by steroid lawyer Rick Collins, he talked about when they were scheduling AAS in the US and every organization was against it - even the DEA said steroids shouldn't be scheduled drugs. But, because of this absurd war on drugs mentality we have in this country, Congress overrode them and scheduled them anyway.

I don't want this to turn into a political rant, but it just shouldn't be this way. I'd hope future generations have better access to healthcare and treatments than we do right now.
 

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