Sherk v. Winner of Penn/Stevenson

I think Sherk deserves it. However, to me an inshape Penn beats him. However, if BJ screws up his training, as he has done numerous times, then Sherk grinds out a boring 5 rd decision
 
Usually an injury is the only thing that prevents Penn from winning. He's top MMA in my eyes.
 
awmcdon said:
I agree he's one of the top, but he's also known for not always showing up in the best shape.
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That was be4 he got his hutritionist and cardio coach, as shown for the jens fight, BJ PENN at 155 in shape is unstopable handsdown
 
vika808 said:
That was be4 he got his hutritionist and cardio coach, as shown for the jens fight, BJ PENN at 155 in shape is unstopable handsdown
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That fight was over at the beginning of the second round. I won't believe it until I see him go 5 rounds with Sherk, hell even 4. And yes I know Sherk may not make it 5 rounds but if he does BJ will be gased.
 
I do think BJ is tops at 155 if in shape. That is such a huge if however.
 
LOL @ Penn being tops anything. He is 2-3 in his last 5 fights, only pulling wins over Renzo Gracie and Jens Pulver. That doesn't say a mother-****ing thing. Hes the most over hyped, over rated fighter in MMA right now.
 
TheMouth said:
LOL @ Penn being tops anything. He is 2-3 in his last 5 fights, only pulling wins over Renzo Gracie and Jens Pulver. That doesn't say a mother-****ing thing. Hes the most over hyped, over rated fighter in MMA right now.
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I completely agree. BJ has all the talent in the world, but what ruins it is his lazy pompous attitude.

People really need to get off Penn's nuts and realize this guy is notorious for gassing in fights and doesnt live up to his ability. And he is 10 times the **** talking prick that Hughes is but he catches none of the flak Hughes does.`
 
CNorris said:
I completely agree. BJ has all the talent in the world, but what ruins it is his lazy pompous attitude.

People really need to get off Penn's nuts and realize this guy is notorious for gassing in fights and doesnt live up to his ability. And he is 10 times the **** talking prick that Hughes is but he catches none of the flak Hughes does.`
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I dont disagree, on sheer talent alone he maybe one of the top 2-3 fighters in the world. However, he will not beat Sherk without coming in in top condition.

In terms of the talking prick like Hughes, I dont necessarily agree with that. Hughes is in a class with few others.
 
Reaper329 said:
I dont disagree, on sheer talent alone he maybe one of the top 2-3 fighters in the world. However, he will not beat Sherk without coming in in top condition.

In terms of the talking prick like Hughes, I dont necessarily agree with that. Hughes is in a class with few others.
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LOL. Top 2-3 in the world that can't win a fight, was dominated 3 of his last 5 fights and scored a win over a old Renzo and a 145 lb Jens.

You are delusional, just like the rest of the MMA world. When he loses to Joe Daddy, then what will you say ?
 
TheMouth said:
LOL. Top 2-3 in the world that can't win a fight, was dominated 3 of his last 5 fights and scored a win over a old Renzo and a 145 lb Jens.

You are delusional, just like the rest of the MMA world. When he loses to Joe Daddy, then what will you say ?
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let me say this "ole' knowledgeable forseerer of the mma future" I dont see any way Joe Daddy wins, and I consider myself a fan of Daddy. However, if you look at his fights, BJ was winning till gassing which goes along with the point I was making earlier. Note to self, read posts in their entirety
 
Reaper329 said:
let me say this "ole' knowledgeable forseerer of the mma future" I dont see any way Joe Daddy wins, and I consider myself a fan of Daddy. However, if you look at his fights, BJ was winning till gassing which goes along with the point I was making earlier. Note to self, read posts in their entirety
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Joe Daddy is big enough to be a 170er. He is as big as Hughes when bulked. He will toss BJ around and has enough BJJ knowledge to stuff anything thrown at him. BJ will get dominated.
 
And... if he is top 2-3 fighters in the world... that putes Hughes, GSP and Royoto Machida above him... since he lost to all 3 in the last 3 years.
 
TheMouth said:
LOL. Top 2-3 in the world that can't win a fight, was dominated 3 of his last 5 fights and scored a win over a old Renzo and a 145 lb Jens.

You are delusional, just like the rest of the MMA world. When he loses to Joe Daddy, then what will you say ?
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He was Dominated? BWAHAHAHA. Yes he lost those fights fair and square, but the GSP fight was very close and all GSP did was hold him down for a round and a half while BJ was picking him apart in the first round. I love Hughes, but he was getting absolutely owned by Penn for the first 2 rounds and something was clearly wrong with BJ in the third. The Machida fight was at HW or LHW (can't remember). It was a pretty boring fight and I believe I stopped watching it after 2 rounds because nothing was happening.

BJ will make Daddy look bad.
 
jas123 said:
He was Dominated? BWAHAHAHA. Yes he lost those fights fair and square, but the GSP fight was very close and all GSP did was hold him down for a round and a half while BJ was picking him apart in the first round. I love Hughes, but he was getting absolutely owned by Penn for the first 2 rounds and something was clearly wrong with BJ in the third. The Machida fight was at HW or LHW (can't remember). It was a pretty boring fight and I believe I stopped watching it after 2 rounds because nothing was happening.

BJ will make Daddy look bad.
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I forgot you can win a fight by winning 4 rounds and getting KO'd in the 5th. Almost doesn't count. BJ Was battered by GSP and was a mess after the fight.

In the Hughes fight, he won 2 rounds and gassed so horribly in the 3rd he was crucifixed by Hughes and absolutely destroyed.

The Machida fight was at Light Heavyweight, BJ made weight and in true Machida fashion was picked apart for 3 rounds.
 
My point was that the word "dominated" was not appropriate at all. Dominated means you were winning easily almost the entire fight until it ended, and GSP was in much worse shape after that fight.

BJ is mentally weak, but his talent is startling.
 
jas123 said:
My point was that the word "dominated" was not appropriate at all. Dominated means you were winning easily almost the entire fight until it ended, and GSP was in much worse shape after that fight.

BJ is mentally weak, but his talent is startling.
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Talent gets you no where =)


I say dominated because they were all finished as such.
 
I agree here that talent not applied is a shame. There are a number of talented dudes without the mental glue to hold it together: Randleman, Ricco, Guillard, ...
 
You really think Stevenson is going to beat Penn??? I suppose anythings possible, but I'm definitely rooting for Penn.
 
VolcomX311 said:
You really think Stevenson is going to beat Penn??? I suppose anythings possible, but I'm definitely rooting for Penn.
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I find it impossible to root for a lazy, pompous **** talking prick that talks about himself in the third person and doesnt train hard enough to use his god given talents.
 
STILL BJ IS HANDS DOWN THE BEST @ 155

O AND HUGHES WILL BE HANDS DOWN THE BIGGEST PRICK IN UFC HISTORY.




CNorris said:
I completely agree. BJ has all the talent in the world, but what ruins it is his lazy pompous attitude.

People really need to get off Penn's nuts and realize this guy is notorious for gassing in fights and doesnt live up to his ability. And he is 10 times the **** talking prick that Hughes is but he catches none of the flak Hughes does.`
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Change This Thread To The Bashing Of Bj Penn!!!!

Haters!!!!!

Lets See Yall Get Off Your Asses And Train 3 Hours A Night On Bjj, Striking, Wresteling, Cardio, Weights Ever Night 6nihgts A Week And Lets See If You Will Be Lazy.

Or Better Yet Tell Him To His Face That He Is Lazy
 
vika808 said:
Change This Thread To The Bashing Of Bj Penn!!!!

Haters!!!!!

Lets See Yall Get Off Your Asses And Train 3 Hours A Night On Bjj, Striking, Wresteling, Cardio, Weights Ever Night 6nihgts A Week And Lets See If You Will Be Lazy.

Or Better Yet Tell Him To His Face That He Is Lazy
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I like BJ a lot, but saying "say it to his face" makes you look so friggin stupid.
 
CNorris said:
I completely agree. BJ has all the talent in the world, but what ruins it is his lazy pompous attitude.

People really need to get off Penn's nuts and realize this guy is notorious for gassing in fights and doesnt live up to his ability. And he is 10 times the **** talking prick that Hughes is but he catches none of the flak Hughes does.`
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I don't know who talks more sh*t, but I do know that Penn's cockiness is nothing compared to Hughes' pompousness. I mean are you kidding me, Hughes has the worst 24/7 "I'm a prick" smirk on his face.
 
TheMouth said:
And... if he is top 2-3 fighters in the world... that putes Hughes, GSP and Royoto Machida above him... since he lost to all 3 in the last 3 years.
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I really don't know where to begin with you. B.J. is now fighting at 155, Ryoto is one of the better 205ers, ok, we're done with that I hope. GSP is the best 170er in the world, BJ fought to basically a draw with him and busted his ass up in the process. He finished Hughes quickly the first fight and was making him look bad in the second fight until injuring his rib/gassing. Whose the delusional one again? GTFO.
 
THANK YOU!!! point made

Alexander said:
I really don't know where to begin with you. B.J. is now fighting at 155, Ryoto is one of the better 205ers, ok, we're done with that I hope. GSP is the best 170er in the world, BJ fought to basically a draw with him and busted his ass up in the process. He finished Hughes quickly the first fight and was making him look bad in the second fight until injuring his rib/gassing. Whose the delusional one again? GTFO.
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TheMouth said:
Joe Daddy is big enough to be a 170er. He is as big as Hughes when bulked. He will toss BJ around and has enough BJJ knowledge to stuff anything thrown at him. BJ will get dominated.
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we saw him do real well with a mediocre Josh Neer at 170lbs
 
TheMouth said:
And... if he is top 2-3 fighters in the world... that putes Hughes, GSP and Royoto Machida above him... since he lost to all 3 in the last 3 years.
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Hew is top 2-3 in the world P4P. He fought machida at 205 which is 50lbs more than his natural weight. Regarding GSP, that was a close decision and many thought it could go either way, and if I recall he did get hurt against Hughes. Besides the fact that he is not the best at 170, nor would most
155lbers be.
 
TheMouth said:
I forgot you can win a fight by winning 4 rounds and getting KO'd in the 5th. Almost doesn't count. BJ Was battered by GSP and was a mess after the fight.
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you obviously didnt watch ther fight. Go back and actually watch it, GSP ended up in the hospital and Penn ended up drunk in some bar. If looks decided fights, BJ won that night
 
LOL. Josh Neer and I have been friends since he was 16, watch your mouth!!! =P

I'm over exaggerating on a lot of what I say about Penn. But he is over rated, he might beat Joe Daddy, but I doubt it.
 
Alexander said:
I really don't know where to begin with you. B.J. is now fighting at 155, Ryoto is one of the better 205ers, ok, we're done with that I hope. GSP is the best 170er in the world, BJ fought to basically a draw with him and busted his ass up in the process. He finished Hughes quickly the first fight and was making him look bad in the second fight until injuring his rib/gassing. Whose the delusional one again? GTFO.
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And he was tooling Hughes before he gassed, the 2nd best WW in the world IMO.

There is no doubt Penn is world class, but he is not being impressive lately due to has lack of fighting and lack of cardio during the Hughes fight. His loss to GSP looks impressive now seeing how good GSP is, beating Trigg, Hughes and Edit: (Sherk, it was BJ that fought pulver) so badly
 
CNorris said:
And he was tooling Hughes before he gassed, the 2nd best WW in the world IMO.

There is no doubt Penn is world class, but he is not being impressive lately due to has lack of fighting and lack of cardio during the Hughes fight. His loss to GSP looks impressive now seeing how good GSP is, beating Trigg, Hughes and Pulver so badly.
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I have to agree here. He is world class, but he needs to be motivated. My feeling is when motivated and in shape at 155 he should beat anyone at that weight
 
TheMouth said:
LOL. Josh Neer and I have been friends since he was 16, watch your mouth!!! =P

I'm over exaggerating on a lot of what I say about Penn. But he is over rated, he might beat Joe Daddy, but I doubt it.
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understood, joe had neer early but as he said in the post fight interview he shot is load on the knee bar and wasnt the same after that
 
Alexander said:
I really don't know where to begin with you. B.J. is now fighting at 155, Ryoto is one of the better 205ers, ok, we're done with that I hope. GSP is the best 170er in the world, BJ fought to basically a draw with him and busted his ass up in the process. He finished Hughes quickly the first fight and was making him look bad in the second fight until injuring his rib/gassing. Whose the delusional one again? GTFO.
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:head:
 
CNorris said:
And he was tooling Hughes before he gassed, the 2nd best WW in the world IMO.

There is no doubt Penn is world class, but he is not being impressive lately due to has lack of fighting and lack of cardio during the Hughes fight. His loss to GSP looks impressive now seeing how good GSP is, beating Trigg, Hughes and Edit: (Sherk, it was BJ that fought pulver) so badly
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Yeah, when you see how good GSP is, and that he could barely score a takedown against BJ through the first three rounds, I find it hard to fathom that Joe will be able to effectively shoot. GSP trains with the Canadian Olympic wrestling team and was being considered for a spot on the Team, that is quite impressive considering he had no formal wrestling in his background.

I do not think Joe Daddy has a snowball's chance in hell in this fight, though anything can happen.

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Let's remember this is a guy who sprawled and stuffed Matt Hughes, considered for a long time as the best wrestler at 170, and stuffed GSP. BJ controlled the best WW in that aspect, and The Mouth (fitting name, btw :) ) you honestly want us to believe Joe Daddy is not only going to shoot effectively, but then control? No ****ing way.
 
Mulletsoldier said:
Yeah, when you see how good GSP is, and that he could barely score a takedown against BJ through the first three rounds, I find it hard to fathom that Joe will be able to effectively shoot. GSP trains with the Canadian Olympic wrestling team and was being considered for a spot on the Team, that is quite impressive considering he had no formal wrestling in his background.

I do not think Joe Daddy has a snowball's chance in hell in this fight, though anything can happen.
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Good points
 
CNorris said:
And he was tooling Hughes before he gassed, the 2nd best WW in the world IMO.

There is no doubt Penn is world class, but he is not being impressive lately due to has lack of fighting and lack of cardio during the Hughes fight. His loss to GSP looks impressive now seeing how good GSP is, beating Trigg, Hughes and Edit: (Sherk, it was BJ that fought pulver) so badly
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I see where you're coming from, but you don't think Joe is gonna beat B.J., do you?
 
well said Jas. Joe is a very good fighter but not at the level of BJ..... case closed
 
Mulletsoldier said:
Yeah, when you see how good GSP is, and that he could barely score a takedown against BJ through the first three rounds, I find it hard to fathom that Joe will be able to effectively shoot. GSP trains with the Canadian Olympic wrestling team and was being considered for a spot on the Team, that is quite impressive considering he had no formal wrestling in his background.

I do not think Joe Daddy has a snowball's chance in hell in this fight, though anything can happen.

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Let's remember this is a guy who sprawled and stuffed Matt Hughes, considered for a long time as the best wrestler at 170, and stuffed GSP. BJ controlled the best WW in that aspect, and The Mouth (fitting name, btw :) ) you honestly want us to believe Joe Daddy is not only going to shoot effectively, but then control? No ****ing way.
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Yeah, but it was just the Canadian team. :yawn: That's like making JV at a high school of 200 people. :twisted:
 
jas123 said:
Yeah, but it was just the Canadian team. :yawn: That's like making JV at a high school of 200 people. :twisted:
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Yeah, we didn't really medal at the least olympics. Though I believe Daniel Igali won a freestyle gold in 2000, and his teammate won a silver. We should place better at the '08 event.

Either way, training with an Olympic team in a particular sport with no prior experiencing, and being considered to compete, is pretty telling of athleticism.
 
Mulletsoldier said:
Yeah, we didn't really medal at the least olympics. Though I believe Daniel Igali won a freestyle gold in 2000, and his teammate won a silver. We should place better at the '08 event.

Either way, training with an Olympic team in a particular sport with no prior experiencing, and being considered to compete, is pretty telling of athleticism.
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True dat. I was just being my usual a-hole self.
 
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