Serum chems and testosterone level...

[morpheus1914]

I am 5' 10" 230lbs., play semi-pro football. I am on day 17 of a Halodrol-50 cycle. Next week I plan to up my dose from 50mg to 75mg for the last week as well as begin Novadex XT. My concern is this. I regularly monitor my serum chemistries, well last night I felt froggy and decided to test my serum testosterone as well. My chems and lipids are essentially normal. My Urea Nitrogen however has been consistently sitting at about 27 and my LDH has been sittin around 500. However, my serum testosterone was 220 ng/dL, which is right BELOW the low normal value for adult males of 222 ng/dL. Why is my test so low??? It almost scares me. Especially when the UPPER normal limit for adult males is around 660 ng/dL. I would like to think I would be above that mark!! Can anyone offer an explanation or advice??

 

[B5150]

Exogenous anabolic steroids inhibit natural test production.

Do you realize what shut down is?
Do you have a PCT plan?

 

[morpheus1914]

That is why I'm starting the Novadex XT next week as my PCT. Hmm. Are you able to elaborate further? Feign my ignorance. So then to determine the efficacy of this particular product, would I then have to actually test specifically for this product? What kind of metabolites are being formed in my body and how are they producing an anabolic effect if the overall test level is actually low? I realized to an extent that my "natural" test would drop, I guess I just expected this particular methodology to show a test increase due to the product I'm taking. So I thought wrong? Thanks for the reply!!

 

[jmh80]

I would recommend something more than just Novadex for post cycle therapy. You probably need a SERM. I can't tell you where to get it - but you need one.


Anyway - the metabolites are likely similar to those of Turnabol. And, why would you want to test for those? If you wanted to test H-50 - do it on the front end. You can send it off to San Rafeal Chemical Services for $100.

This molecule binds to the androgen receptor - producing it's effects.

 

[B5150]

That is why I'm starting the Novadex XT next week as my post cycle therapy.

Based on the data that you have that suggests that you have already become reasonably inhibited I suggest that you research into a more thorough post cycle therapy regiment that includes a SERM.

Hmm. Are you able to elaborate further? Feign my ignorance. So then to determine the efficacy of this particular product, would I then have to actually test specifically for this product? What kind of metabolites are being formed in my body and how are they producing an anabolic effect if the overall test level is actually low?

The metabolites of Halo, whatever they may be, are what is causing you to shut down. It is an exogenous androgen and your body is responding by a diminished test (natural androgen) production. If you tested for the halo matabolites I gather you could determine the oral efficacy or levels of its actual metabolites.

I realized to an extent that my "natural" test would drop, I guess I just expected this particular methodology to show a test increase due to the product I'm taking.

if you were using 'test' you would have increased testosterone levels but that would be from the increased test you introduced (exogenous) into your body. A blood test would show elevated testosterone through artificial means (exogenous test intake) but in reality you would still become inhibited, or shut down, as well, but not showing so because of the artificial intake. Once you remove the exogenous testosterone your true natural levels would show that you were inhibited or shut down.

So I thought wrong? Thanks for the reply!!

Yes, somewhat.

 

[morpheus1914]

Ahh. Duh. Got it. Makes perfect sense. What else would you recommend for PCT? I see a lot using Clomid and Nolva...
Thanks for all the help and info!!!

 

[jmh80]

Toremifene is less toxic than nolva.
But, nolva is fine.
Some prefer clomid - some don't. There can be weird vision issues and odd emontional episodes with clomid it seems. But, it is less liver toxic than nolva.