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SERM + AI for H-drol PCT?

LAGear

LAGear

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For a five week h-drol cycle is there any need for a SRM + AI in PCT?

I know many people use an AI instead of a SERM. But I am definitely going to use Torem tapered down over four weeks plus a natty test booster, so the question is do I need an AI in the mix as well? Please don't tell me that I don't need to use a SERM.

If an AI is needed would you taper it up starting in week one and then taper it down when you stop the SERM, or would you start the AI at a high dose in week three and then taper the AI down?

My confusion stems from the fact that some people say you don't need an AI and others insist that you do. So I'm trying to understand the pros and cons.

I try not to ever blindly take anyone's advice unless I understand the reasoning. I'm trying to learn here so I'd really appreciate it if you provided a brief explanation with your answer instead of "Take the AI bro."

Your guidance is much appreciated.
 
Torem is overkill for a H-Drol cycle IMO. You still need some estrogen in your body for healthy function and torem would kill it, the point of pct is to block excessive amounts of estrogen while raising the ratio of test to estro, not to whipe estro off the face of the planet.
 
generalmayhem said:
Torem is overkill for a H-Drol cycle IMO. You still need some estrogen in your body for healthy function and torem would kill it, the point of pct is to block excessive amounts of estrogen while raising the ratio of test to estro, not to whipe estro off the face of the planet.
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Doesn't a SERM just block estro receptors without killing the E off? Whereas an AI does kill E by blocking it's production. So an AI is more likely to wipe E off the face of the planet than a SERM.

AI's and SERMs work differently, a SERM isn't simply a more potent version of an AI.

Also, mild or not h-drol is real gear and it is suppressive. I don't think there is anything wrong with using a SERM with Torem. A lot of people think you can use an AI and "get away" without a SERM. But I don't think I've seen anyone suggest that using a Torem with h-drol can be detrimental.

Again, I'm still learning here so if I've got this wrong I hope someone will set me straight.
 
Hdrol doesnt really armotise (sp?) so there is no real need for a SERM (its the truth bro).
There are Ph's that convert to estrogen causing such sides as water retention and gyno but hdrol isnt one of them. its okay to have something on hand just incase symptoms occur but you dont need to taper it..just ahve it on hand to take if needed. and for pct, it is a mild enough drug just use reversitol by i force and if you really feel the need stack that with testabolan v2! good luck
 
TravisG said:
Hdrol doesnt really armotise (sp?) so there is no real need for a SERM (its the truth bro).
There are Ph's that convert to estrogen causing such sides as water retention and gyno but hdrol isnt one of them. its okay to have something on hand just incase symptoms occur but you dont need to taper it..just ahve it on hand to take if needed. and for pct, it is a mild enough drug just use reversitol by i force and if you really feel the need stack that with testabolan v2! good luck
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I've read this a ton of times and it makes no sense.

H-drol doesn't aromatize so there's no need to use an AI on cycle like you would with something that aromatizes. But using an AI in PCT has nothing to do with whether or not what you were taking aromatizes. Use of an AI in PCT is to prevent testosterone from aromatizing and that can happen regardless of what your cycle consisted of.

If you could get Torem for PCT why would you use reversitol? What's the downside of doing it right?
 
TravisG said:
Hdrol doesnt really armotise (sp?) so there is no real need for a SERM (its the truth bro).
There are Ph's that convert to estrogen causing such sides as water retention and gyno but hdrol isnt one of them. its okay to have something on hand just incase symptoms occur but you dont need to taper it..just ahve it on hand to take if needed. and for pct, it is a mild enough drug just use reversitol by i force and if you really feel the need stack that with testabolan v2! good luck
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You take a SERM in PCT to restore your HPTA if you are shut down or supressed and to kickstart your test production. Even though H-drol doesn't aromatize, your bodys own test production will still be supressed after a cycle. If you now stop using h-drol (exogenous test if you will) your test will be low and your estrogene will be high compared to the test. The serm will help you restore a balance between the two.

I took a low dose Nolva after a h-drol into epi bridge tappering down at the end. I also added a low dose ATD (2 ed) in week 3 of PCT and tappered down to 1 pill eod.

My PCT was awsome and I maintained almost all of my strenght and gains!

~abuleh
 
I'd like some feedback on my SERM and AI dosing. PCT starts in two days.

How does this look?

Torem: 120x2, 90, 60x4/60/30/30
Formex: 25 eod/25/50/50/25/25
 
Say what? How is Nolva + Reversitol (it's not called Revert) better than Torem + Formex. Are you kidding?

And most people would run PCS for four weeks not two weeks. I'm running PCS and other stuff, was just looking for input on my SERM and AI dosage.

So, back on topic. I'm not looking for product recommendations, just dosage recommendations. My PCT will be Torem and Formex (plus a couple of other supps).

If you think the dosage I posted are going to cause E rebound please explain your reasoning.
 
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