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I have a couple threads were i go over age and training and stuff, but I do have my training where i make good gains and my diet is where i want it to be. I am more into strongman and do some bodyguard work so power is really important to me, but i train more like a bodybuilder with a slight powerlifter tweak, but not much.

I am on trt at 200mg every 10 days and just started in February of this year. Prior to that I was on clomid 3x50mg a week for like at least 6 years as i have low T. Since we were trying to have a family the doctor did not want to give me testosterone at that time. Well we eventually realized kids were not in the cards and since i got back into training like 5 years ago after a 16 year hiatus i figured I might as well take the test and doc did nto have an issue. He also prescribed me 1mg arimidex every day and my estrogen was crashed. While on clomid i went to 1mg 3x a week and it was dialed in at that 20-30 i believe is supposed to be good. When i started running test he prescribed the same way, but i was trying to avoid crashing my estrogen so i took 3x1mg a week again.

Before any treatment or weights back in my 30s i think my test was like 300 something. With the clomid it was very high 400s to mid 500s. When he put me on test the bloods came in at 890 and I think it was like 5 days after the shot could have been 4 though. Estrogen was at under 5 i so used 1/2 mg 3x per week.

First cycle was 12 weeks of 300mg sustonan, but i did not totally understand the measure on the syringe so i think i was actually takeing closer to 325-350 ( i got 8 shots instead of 10 out of a 10ml bottle) and stayed on trt at 200mg every 10 days and yes i know that is too far between shots and sust should be used more often which i will remedy next time. I did get stronger though and my bodyfat went down and weight suprisingly went down with diet. So now for my next cycle

I am debating on what to do with it. I am on trt so there is no pct. I have sust 300 30ml, 10ml of 500mg eq and 100 tabs of 10mg dboll. I am not using it all but debating on what i want to do. I can go all test again and up the dose instead of 300mg every week ( i did one shot per week) up to 450 or 500mg a week in 2 shots plus my trt dose of 200mg test c every 10 days, which i might do 100mg every 7 days with the cycle. I also could mix the test and eq. A couple people told me that 250 of eq with my trt and about 500mg of test would be a decent cycle, but i often hear min eq dose of about 500 a week. I also thought of test and dboll. I am pretty new to gear. Any advice is appreciated. Also wtih dboll i have heard various things on dosages. I was wondering could i take 20mg a day a get any benefit or is it better to just do 30? I figure i could be on longer if i did 20mg

I am debating between blast and cruise of using lgd, but my doc does blood work. he is aware of blast and cruise, but needs my blood work to be "in the range" so i was wondering if anyone knows if any sarms like lgd, ostarine, yk11, s23 or s4 raise testostrone levels? Also is there a benefit to adding one of them to my cycle?

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sarms are suppresive. They lower testosterone to a less degree AAS do but they still lower test
 

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sarms are suppresive. They lower testosterone to a less degree AAS do but they still lower test
I am aware of the supression, but will a blood test while on them show a higher test level like if i am shooting test. For example if i run 600mg of test instead of the 150 i am prescribed my doctor will know about it. I am wondering if mixing sarms with the 150 will raise the test level where the doctor can tell
 

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I am aware of the supression, but will a blood test while on them show a higher test level like if i am shooting test. For example if i run 600mg of test instead of the 150 i am prescribed my doctor will know about it. I am wondering if mixing sarms with the 150 will raise the test level where the doctor can tell
No. It obviously won’t raise your TT. but it’ll have an impact on other values that could easily trigger doubts in your doc minds.
 

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I am aware of the supression, but will a blood test while on them show a higher test level like if i am shooting test. For example if i run 600mg of test instead of the 150 i am prescribed my doctor will know about it. I am wondering if mixing sarms with the 150 will raise the test level where the doctor can tell
no that will not happen. I have heard though of some DHT orals to effect test readings but sarms not, that will not happen.Totally different molecules with testosterone
 

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No. It obviously won’t raise your TT. but it’ll have an impact on other values that could easily trigger doubts in your doc minds.
no that will not happen. I have heard though of some DHT orals to effect test readings but sarms not, that will not happen.Totally different molecules with testosterone
Thanks that is what i am looking for. My doc only checks total t, free test, estrogen. Reg doc checks all lipids and such. As an update i just saw him today and he my estrogen was like 13 and test was like 850 or 870 and he agreed to up me to 200mg every 7 days. So if i run that plus 300mg of sustonan taken in 150 mg every 3 days and then 500mg eq per week should htat be enough gear?
 
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Thanks that is what i am looking for. My doc only checks total t, free test, estrogen. Reg doc checks all lipids and such. As an update i just saw him today and he my estrogen was like 13 and test was like 850 or 870 and he agreed to up me to 200mg every 7 days. So if i run that plus 300mg of sustonan taken in 150 mg every 3 days and then 500mg eq per week should htat be enough gear?
Yup.
Throw in Dbol @30mg/day For the first 4-5 weeks and you should have some fun. You are going to need a crapload of EQ to run it long enough to get the effects. If I’m being honest, for most of us on Doc-monitored TRT, EQ or Deca are tough to pull off. They take forever to clear and need to be ran along time to get the results you want. It always comes down to how often your doc runs labs on you. You could save the EQ or the Dbol for another run and just go high test and either Dbol or Deca but that’s up to you. You could frontload the EQ too.
 
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How most respond to EQ, I don’t see a problem running Dbol with it, but some say the two can cause estro problems since they are the same drug although nothing alike.
 
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sarms are suppresive. They lower testosterone to a less degree AAS do but they still lower test
Says who? All dosage dependant and the person.

Maybe just get comfortable w test before messign w other stuff??
 
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How most respond to EQ, I don’t see a problem running Dbol with it, but some say the two can cause estro problems since they are the same drug although nothing alike.
Yes and no. We know methylation changes how compounds act in our body big time*.
 

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Thanks guys doc runs blood twice a year and next bloods will be mid march so i have enough time to probably run a 12-16 week cycle. Dont have any deca or npp just what i mentioned Here are a couple cycles i am thinking also no pct since i am on trt. I am not including my trt dose in the cycle, but its 200mg week

1 eq weeks 1-10 500mg week pinned once
test sust 150mg 3xweek for a total 450

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2 test sust 600mg per week divided up into 3 shots per week

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someone told me just run the eq with my trt dose not sure though

I do not want the water weight right now so unless only 20mg of dboll would help i think i am saving that. Thanks guys. I am looking at other sources so its possible i might get some deca or npp. what is a good dose of npp? It seems more expensive.
 
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Thanks guys doc runs blood twice a year and next bloods will be mid march so i have enough time to probably run a 12-16 week cycle. Dont have any deca or npp just what i mentioned Here are a couple cycles i am thinking also no pct since i am on trt. I am not including my trt dose in the cycle, but its 200mg week

1 eq weeks 1-10 500mg week pinned once
test sust 150mg 3xweek for a total 450

or

2 test sust 600mg per week divided up into 3 shots per week

Or
someone told me just run the eq with my trt dose not sure though

I do not want the water weight right now so unless only 20mg of dboll would help i think i am saving that. Thanks guys. I am looking at other sources so its possible i might get some deca or npp. what is a good dose of npp? It seems more expensive.
Npp is just a smidge stronger than test, but it’s low on sides in most’s opinion. You can start anywhere from 300-450. I don’t get drastic results like I do from Trest so I may actually go to 600 comfortably starting this month.
 
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EQ more so than NPP, both will raise your hematocrit enough that your TRT doc may become concerned, so either discontinue early enough or donate prior to labs.
 
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Thanks guys doc runs blood twice a year and next bloods will be mid march so i have enough time to probably run a 12-16 week cycle. Dont have any deca or npp just what i mentioned Here are a couple cycles i am thinking also no pct since i am on trt. I am not including my trt dose in the cycle, but its 200mg week

1 eq weeks 1-10 500mg week pinned once
test sust 150mg 3xweek for a total 450

or

2 test sust 600mg per week divided up into 3 shots per week

Or
someone told me just run the eq with my trt dose not sure though

I do not want the water weight right now so unless only 20mg of dboll would help i think i am saving that. Thanks guys. I am looking at other sources so its possible i might get some deca or npp. what is a good dose of npp? It seems more expensive.
Personally, I'd do 600 EQ (or 500)... And frontload. Plus your TRT.
 

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Personally, I'd do 600 EQ (or 500)... And frontload. Plus your TRT.
front load? Not familiar with. ALso i might not have enough deca as this might be a 16 week cycle or 20. I also thought about tapering down once i am out of hte 10 shots of eq as to do more i would have to take less and it seems doing 300mg of eq people think is a waste. I might have a line on 300mg deca. So if i rung eq for 10 weeks of the cycle at 500mg then 300mg of deca as i have not gotten an npp connection yet would there be any major issues? I have not made as many connections as i would like yet.
 
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front load? Not familiar with. ALso i might not have enough deca as this might be a 16 week cycle or 20. I also thought about tapering down once i am out of hte 10 shots of eq as to do more i would have to take less and it seems doing 300mg of eq people think is a waste. I might have a line on 300mg deca. So if i rung eq for 10 weeks of the cycle at 500mg then 300mg of deca as i have not gotten an npp connection yet would there be any major issues? I have not made as many connections as i would like yet.

Front loading is basically what it sounds like.... Starting off with a HEAVY dose, since EQ is a slow starter. But if you don't have much anyway ....

I really don't have an opinion on the Deca.
 
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front load? Not familiar with. ALso i might not have enough deca as this might be a 16 week cycle or 20. I also thought about tapering down once i am out of hte 10 shots of eq as to do more i would have to take less and it seems doing 300mg of eq people think is a waste. I might have a line on 300mg deca. So if i rung eq for 10 weeks of the cycle at 500mg then 300mg of deca as i have not gotten an npp connection yet would there be any major issues? I have not made as many connections as i would like yet.
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Front loading is basically what it sounds like.... Starting off with a HEAVY dose, since EQ is a slow starter. But if you don't have much anyway ....

I really don't have an opinion on the Deca.
As much as I’ve tried over the years, I haven’t front loaded, I always end up using short esters. I’ve meant to so many times.
When I use high dose Dien E in a few months, I’m frontloading.
 

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THanks guys. I might actually end up 16-20 weeks on the test and only have 10 weeks at 500mg of eq. I figure reducing the dose of eq probably is not a good idea ( please advise if i could do 250 more to run the cycle longer) an and then fill in with test. I might start with high test say 600 then go 300 test 500 eq then back to 400-600 test ( those do not include my trt 200mg week)
 
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I am aware of the supression, but will a blood test while on them show a higher test level like if i am shooting test. For example if i run 600mg of test instead of the 150 i am prescribed my doctor will know about it. I am wondering if mixing sarms with the 150 will raise the test level where the doctor can tell
No it will probably show lower test because it lowers your test lol. While injecting test your numbers are higher because you added more testosterone. With a sarm your supressing testosterone but not adding more.
 
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Thanks guys doc runs blood twice a year and next bloods will be mid march so i have enough time to probably run a 12-16 week cycle. Dont have any deca or npp just what i mentioned Here are a couple cycles i am thinking also no pct since i am on trt. I am not including my trt dose in the cycle, but its 200mg week

1 eq weeks 1-10 500mg week pinned once
test sust 150mg 3xweek for a total 450

or

2 test sust 600mg per week divided up into 3 shots per week

Or
someone told me just run the eq with my trt dose not sure though

I do not want the water weight right now so unless only 20mg of dboll would help i think i am saving that. Thanks guys. I am looking at other sources so its possible i might get some deca or npp. what is a good dose of npp? It seems more expensive.
I'd rather have 20 weeks on 250 eq then 10 at 500. But 20 at 500 would be ideal
 
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No it will probably show lower test because it lowers your test lol. While injecting test your numbers are higher because you added more testosterone. With a sarm your supressing testosterone but not adding more.
This is where it gets weird. You can take something like trestolone test-less and feel amazing like a high dose of test, be strong af, putting on muscle like crazy, and have 150 total test. Probably why they say there’s no substitute for a test base but ya completely doable with no ill effects.
 

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I'd rather have 20 weeks on 250 eq then 10 at 500. But 20 at 500 would be ideal
I think i will drop the doss to run eq longer so anyone has any ideas please chime in if that is better to just keep 500mg 10 weeks. I think though it will be 16 weeker i am still playing with the numbers to make sure my bloods come back without elevated test for the sust
 
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I think i will drop the doss to run eq longer so anyone has any ideas please chime in if that is better to just keep 500mg 10 weeks. I think though it will be 16 weeker i am still playing with the numbers to make sure my bloods come back without elevated test for the sust
Gonna need a damn 3-4 clearance time for sust.
 

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This. Your test levels will be high for a month after last sust pin
I hope 6 weeks will do. I have also thought of using some of the sust in place of cypionate for my trt so i can use the cypionate in place of the sust later in the cycle since it clears quicker.


As an update i am going to wait till the beginning of oct to start and will definatley be 16 weeks poss 20 so i figure it gives me a chance to procure more gear. I think i am also going to save the dboll and get dmz since its supposed to not be lots of water weight. Now the bloods would be around march 20, so if i am off cycle by the end of december start of january would that be enough of a break with trt since there is no pct . I blast and cruise. My cylce of 300mg test week ( plus 150 week trt) 4/3-6/13. My appnt was origionally early august but got pushed back to the begining of sept so i waited longer than i planned
 
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I hope 6 weeks will do. I have also thought of using some of the sust in place of cypionate for my trt so i can use the cypionate in place of the sust later in the cycle since it clears quicker.


As an update i am going to wait till the beginning of oct to start and will definatley be 16 weeks poss 20 so i figure it gives me a chance to procure more gear. I think i am also going to save the dboll and get dmz since its supposed to not be lots of water weight. Now the bloods would be around march 20, so if i am off cycle by the end of december start of january would that be enough of a break with trt since there is no pct . I blast and cruise. My cylce of 300mg test week ( plus 150 week trt) 4/3-6/13. My appnt was origionally early august but got pushed back to the begining of sept so i waited longer than i planned
Meh, you should be ok. Especially with Cyp.
Not all docs are going to immediately hack your dose in half if you’re still a little high. But you want to avoid it as much as possible.
Let us know what you end up starting. Depending on your goals there’s some fun options but simplicity always works best for me. 1-2 injectables 1-2 orals (one not toxic, or at least not concurrently) I have yet to need more than that.
 
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I hope 6 weeks will do. I have also thought of using some of the sust in place of cypionate for my trt so i can use the cypionate in place of the sust later in the cycle since it clears quicker.


As an update i am going to wait till the beginning of oct to start and will definatley be 16 weeks poss 20 so i figure it gives me a chance to procure more gear. I think i am also going to save the dboll and get dmz since its supposed to not be lots of water weight. Now the bloods would be around march 20, so if i am off cycle by the end of december start of january would that be enough of a break with trt since there is no pct . I blast and cruise. My cylce of 300mg test week ( plus 150 week trt) 4/3-6/13. My appnt was origionally early august but got pushed back to the begining of sept so i waited longer than i planned
6 weeks out I would drop dust and only pin enough cyp to feel good till bloods are drawn. You could probably stop pinning 3 weeks out period and have higher then expected test levels
 

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updates on ideas

So i am on to my second cycle and looking for impout. it will run anwyere between this week and like the every end of febuary so i figure min of 16 poss max of 20 weeks. I still have sust so i want to ensure its cleared before i get my bloods around the 20th of marsh 20

This is what i have roughtly 33x300mg shots of sustanon, 100 x10 mg dianabol and 10ml of 500mg eq. That is what i have. I will be on 200mg of test cypionate for the duration as that is my trt does and probalby .5 adex 3x a week or 1mg 3x a week depending on how high the gear goes. I also am checking some of the sources to buy more. Its great to find a one stop shot, but i have not figure dout bitcoin yet but have bought by western unon and since the guy and me had somethings in common with first responder work he was willing to take paypal and all the gear checked out. he actually reps for one of the big guys on here, but he is out to sea with the navy for a bit so cant use him.

Here is a quesiton about the eq. At 500mg i would be able to run 10 shots, but there are a ew people that told me they would rather run 250 for 20 weeks than 500mg for 10 weeks. I fugure i could run like 375 for 12 or 14 weeks i think and was wondering thoughts on that particular supplement. Of course i dont wnat to use everything i have as i am nervous that i might not find more and dont want to run out of gear so here is one option. These do not include my 200mg test c per week as i am not sure if i should include it since its trt

weeks 1-4 sustanon 1/2 cc 2 times a week for 300mg
weeks 5-16 sustanon 1/2 cc every 3 days so that would be a bit over 300mg average> I forget the guage but also thought of the line right above 1/2 cc. I think that would be 2/3 cc 2 times a week or every 3 days
weeks 4-14 500mg eq a week pinned once or poss put into the sust an mix it
weeks 15-16 same as week 1-4
NO pct as i am on trt. I also thought of throwing dianabol in there if reccomended

Another option do test only 1-16 500-600 mg per week with nothing else

more of a blast

1-22 300mg sust ppinned 2 x week
1-20 250mg eq a week


I had also heard that dbol could be used just for workout days? Of if taking it insted of 30mg a day take 20mmg on non workout days and up to 50 on workout days.

Been training a for over 5 years now and when i was younger 19-23 and did some bodybuilding all natural ( creatine, vanadyl, glutamine)
Diet is pretty in check as far as protein, but i am not really into bodybuilding More looking for strength and maybe a muscular wrestler look

Help, thoughst, theories or comments. Thanks

Also were are guys getting their pins> my state wants a script and my doc only writes me enough for my trt. He give me bd 1 inch 3mm 22guage. I also got some 23g 1 inch 3ml in pa where you do not need a script.
 
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So i am on to my second cycle and looking for impout. it will run anwyere between this week and like the every end of febuary so i figure min of 16 poss max of 20 weeks. I still have sust so i want to ensure its cleared before i get my bloods around the 20th of marsh 20

This is what i have roughtly 33x300mg shots of sustanon, 100 x10 mg dianabol and 10ml of 500mg eq. That is what i have. I will be on 200mg of test cypionate for the duration as that is my trt does and probalby .5 adex 3x a week or 1mg 3x a week depending on how high the gear goes. I also am checking some of the sources to buy more. Its great to find a one stop shot, but i have not figure dout bitcoin yet but have bought by western unon and since the guy and me had somethings in common with first responder work he was willing to take paypal and all the gear checked out. he actually reps for one of the big guys on here, but he is out to sea with the navy for a bit so cant use him.

Here is a quesiton about the eq. At 500mg i would be able to run 10 shots, but there are a ew people that told me they would rather run 250 for 20 weeks than 500mg for 10 weeks. I fugure i could run like 375 for 12 or 14 weeks i think and was wondering thoughts on that particular supplement. Of course i dont wnat to use everything i have as i am nervous that i might not find more and dont want to run out of gear so here is one option. These do not include my 200mg test c per week as i am not sure if i should include it since its trt

weeks 1-4 sustanon 1/2 cc 2 times a week for 300mg
weeks 5-16 sustanon 1/2 cc every 3 days so that would be a bit over 300mg average> I forget the guage but also thought of the line right above 1/2 cc. I think that would be 2/3 cc 2 times a week or every 3 days
weeks 4-14 500mg eq a week pinned once or poss put into the sust an mix it
weeks 15-16 same as week 1-4
NO pct as i am on trt. I also thought of throwing dianabol in there if reccomended

Another option do test only 1-16 500-600 mg per week with nothing else

more of a blast

1-22 300mg sust ppinned 2 x week
1-20 250mg eq a week


I had also heard that dbol could be used just for workout days? Of if taking it insted of 30mg a day take 20mmg on non workout days and up to 50 on workout days.

Been training a for over 5 years now and when i was younger 19-23 and did some bodybuilding all natural ( creatine, vanadyl, glutamine)
Diet is pretty in check as far as protein, but i am not really into bodybuilding More looking for strength and maybe a muscular wrestler look

Help, thoughst, theories or comments. Thanks

Also were are guys getting their pins> my state wants a script and my doc only writes me enough for my trt. He give me bd 1 inch 3mm 22guage. I also got some 23g 1 inch 3ml in pa where you do not need a script.
That’s a lot.
Sust quit 3+ weeks before labs. Preferably 4.
EQ, it’s slow and steady so whatever you can do for 14 weeks.
Not everyone will agree with this, I do NOT like orals just for workouts. Not that it does nothing, it’s far better than taking nothing. But, even once a day dosing builds up and then like clockwork somewhere between day 7 and day 13, it kicks in, and that where 90% of the magic really begins.
I have run Dbol 2 dozen different ways, and with every way imaginable, I’d always rather run it at a modest 30 for 5 weeks. I don’t need all the hassle that 50+ brings. And I see next to nothing when I just eat a handful preworkout.
 

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Thanks. NOw would you say for the eq to run it in the middle at 500mg 10 weeks or i think i can get 12 weeks or so out of 375mg a week or should i run extra test and maybe save it? I only have the one 10ml 500mg vial Thanks
 

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