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Second cycle

shambles22

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Hey all. After careful research and advisement from you seasoned vets, I've decided on h drol for my second PH cycle (and first methylated cycle). The one hangup I'm having is I'm being told I should run an unmethylated test base with it. I've looked into dermacrine, specifically, but would like input from someone with experience with this compound. I plan on running it six weeks, something like 50/50/75/75/100/100 with tweaking where need be. Any input is appreciated. Thanks.
 
I should mention I'm running PH's for strength gains on my main powerlifts(bench, dead, squat). I don't really care about mass as much but it sure as hell doesn't hurt!
 
Dosage seems right, most people dont seem to get much out of 50mg, but it wont really be fully active yet for that time period anyways...dermacrine is a good testbase to keep it simple and prevent lethargy and loss of libido, so i think its a good choice
 
Dermacrine is often the preferred test base for a 1st or 2nd cycle due to it being pretty safe and mild. Other choices would be epiandro and 4 andro.

Another common test base would be trest, but not something recommended often for a first or 2nd cycle.

For what it's worth, im about to start my 2nd cycle (both will be epistane), and I plan on Dermacrine at 3 pumps as my test base.
 
mrgoomba said:
Dermacrine is often the preferred test base for a 1st or 2nd cycle due to it being pretty safe and mild. Other choices would be epiandro and 4 andro.

Another common test base would be trest, but not something recommended often for a first or 2nd cycle.

For what it's worth, im about to start my 2nd cycle (both will be epistane), and I plan on Dermacrine at 3 pumps as my test base.
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Good choice, epistane killed my libido towards the end of the third week when I ran it solo
 
I'm running halo, tren & dermacrine right now. I'm semi logging it also if you'd like to fallow along.
Might give you a bit of insight.
 
Hell yeah I'll give that a follow. And I probably will take your advice and go 75 the second week Antman, I'll feel it out as I go tho. I figured I'd use the same PCT I used for my first cycle with clomid at 100/50/50/25 and Nolva at 40/20/20/10.
 
shambles22 said:
Hell yeah I'll give that a follow. And I probably will take your advice and go 75 the second week Antman, I'll feel it out as I go tho. I figured I'd use the same PCT I used for my first cycle with clomid at 100/50/50/25 and Nolva at 40/20/20/10.
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Dermacrine or 4-Andro will have you covered. I've actually never needed a base product with Halo but having some conversion to Test (and other hormones) while on cycle is a good thing.

I like to run Nolva/Clomid combo's for my PCT too; Its works great. I would however suggest that you lower your doses as you will likely only increase hepatic strain unnecessarily. A standard 50-50-25-25 / 20-20-10-10 Clomid/Nolva PCT should be more than enough for a simple 6 week Halo cycle.
 
Good to know, thanks man. I didn't even know those compounds taxed your liver at all but that's probably something I should've known going into it
 
shambles22 said:
Good to know, thanks man. I didn't even know those compounds taxed your liver at all but that's probably something I should've known going into it
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No worries, you're welcome.

I do think the side-effects of these drugs are often over-stated as they are well researched and have a long history of use. When used in short durations, assuming a healthy patient, they shouldn't impart any lasting effects on the liver. Having said that, these drugs can absolutely affect liver values negatively, although to what degree is person, duration and dose-dependent.

I like to take 250mg ED of TUDCA and 1200mg ED of NAC throughout my PCT just to make sure my liver is getting the proper support it needs.
 
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