Seasons Bulking and Cutting regime help

Jinsun

Jinsun

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Hi all! I'm putting together this seasons regime and would appreciate some thoughts and pointers. It's going to be a bit longer post, so please bare with me! Tnx:)

First some info: male, early 30s, 186cm, 81kg at 10 -12%, been lifting for 6 years. 180Kg DL, 140Kg Squat, 100kg Bench. Currently all lifts are down from those numbers due to a cut gone wrong (to much stress, no sleep, GF problems, work, etc.). I've got a life outside of the gym, so in no way is my regime going to be perfect, nor my sleep, stress or food. Lately it has become just about impossible to make a decent cut, without losing lot's of strength and mass. All life time natty btw.

In two weeks I'll be coming out of the cut and plan to go straight in to a bulk. Been reading Mike Israetel a lot, and this is his recommendation. Normally I would have done a short recomp, steadily bringing up the kcal but I'm going to try it like this now. Bulk will last for 5 months followed by a 2 - 3 months cut (depending on the amount of fat). Periodisation is 4 week blocks. 4th week being a deload. Usually I train 3 times a week, full body, with one day focus on push, one pull and the third legs. But all days have all body parts in it. Also not doing this for a powerlifting meet or anything. Plan is only on feeling good and getting to 22 FFMI if possible :)

The plan:

Start the bulk only with MK677. Coming from a cut, there are always the gains that you lost that will come back within the first month and a bit of new ones. So I see no reason to add Ostarine at the beginning. The 1. reason for MK677 is sleep, then appetite and well-being. After a month or two (after the first block or the second) add Ostarine and run it till the end off bulk or a month short of the end of the bulk. I've read that 12 months is the proper length for a Ostarine cyc, as Ostarine peaks at the 8th week?

Anyway, the dosage for both compounds:

Bulk:

- MK677 start at 10mg then work up from that to max 25mg depending on results, sides, etc. I also understand that due to bloat and hunger it's better to star at a lower dosage? MK677 for 5 - 6 months, till the cut.
- Ostarine also start at a lower dosage. Not yet sure at what dosage though. So need some pointers here. I understand 25mg is the point of diminishing returns?
- Also depending on the dosage and the lenght of the cyc, PCT dosage and compounds should vary right? Also plan on using an Ai, as I've heard people get a bit of gyno problems on it.
- After the Osta cycle 1 month off.

Cut:

- Plan on using Ostarine for the cut. Just enough to not lose any mm. How much would you advise for this?
- Also thinking of cardarine, but seeing as lots of cardio isn't good for a cut, maybe it isn't necessary and Osta is all that would be needed? Or do the rules of the game change regarding cardio when on compounds? Talking mostly about the AMPk pathway and the flushing out of the metabolites that cardio does... So maybe one can do more cardio when on Osta?
- What about PCT and Ai for the cut?

For both compounds, I was thinking of Olympus labs UK. Anything other that can be had from them? PCT, t booster, etc.?

Blood work:

- not going to skimp on it at all. Plan on doing it either weekly on twice a month or once a month. What do you guys think? How much to do and when to start doing it? Will be posting progress pics and blood work here regularly if people are interested.

Tnx for the help all!
 
Osta 8-12 weeks. Get a serm for PCT, anything else in PCT would just be extra insurance. No point in getting that much blood work done. Get baseline numbers then maybe mid to late cycle and after PCT. Your post was super long so I kind of skimmed through it. If money allows I would run mk from day1 through PCT. As far as bulking and cutting go, idk, If you already cut and lost strength and muscle then I'd just spend this whole time trying to make slow steady gains over the next 3-4 months
 
Long post I know :) Had lot's to vent I guess...

What it comes down is basically: how much Ostarine to take and what PCT to do for the duration and amount of the compound. I gave lots of background info if somebody wanted to give an educated opinion on it.

Regarding blood work, I've read/seen many opinions that when on Osta the free test in your blood starts to convert to estrogen. That's why I was asking when is it time to start doing blood work and how often. I suppose that aromatisation can start early, as soon as Osta starts to saturate in the system? Also don't know know when Osta saturates, Dylan G. says at around 8th week, but I don't completely trust him... Also don't know when to expect suppression and what product to take for it as there are so many. Was thinking something from olympus uk as Osta and 677 will come from them...
 
Do yourself a favor and don't listen to a word dylan says. Alot of what he spews is to sell his product. Osta shows shutdown as low as 3mg per day. Several ppl on this site have blood work that will show the complete opposite of what that guy says. Before he had his channel he was a very unliked member here at am. It should also be common sense just by looking at the guy he has not run all these cycles he claims. He's going to get alotta ppl in trouble with his crap advice. Yates has a good write up on sarms. Take a look at it.
For PCT grab some clomid or nolva and run a low to moderate dose for 4-6 weeks in theroy but if you got your bloods you will know exactly how suppress you are and what you really need. Have everything you might need before you start
 
Over the next few days im sure a bunch of ppl will respond to your thread with similar advice. Also that Dylan characters sarms are rediculous in price. Look around for better deals.
 
Tnx :) Yeah I know that guy is just selling his products and that's why I said I don't trust what he's saying. It's obvious from miles away. Didn't say anything about ordering from him. Olympus labs UK or receptorchem, I'm in EU.

You're saying Osta shuts down not only suppresses? If that's the case then I see little reason to not go the LGD route... I'll look at the Yates, but am not sure as to what exactly you are referring; an article or a topic on this forum?

Clomid or Nolva, got it. Do you know of any good natural test booster that can help with aromatising problems to take on cycle? I presume that Aromasin, Arimidex, etc. are to strong to take when on Osta, might crash estrogen?
 
Also if Osta suppresses so much, then you'd need test to go with it on cyc. I guess it really depends at what week does it start to suppress...
 
There's plenty of prohormones that will shut you down fat people run solo all the time so this isn't really any different. People are super attracted to sarms because they think there so much safer but more and more evidence is starting to show there no different at the muscle building doses. If your gonna cross that line you might as well go for the real thing. that's my view
 
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more and more evidence is starting to show there no different at the muscle building doses. If your gonna cross that line you might as well go for the real thing. that's my view
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Yes, I've thought about it in similar context BUT for those of us who don't want to get seriously jacked but rather just improve a bit on our physic, so that we look more "3D" AAS are overkill. It's also not just the gains it's also mood and feel good benefits that are attractive. And also they can significantly help with cutting: taking a low dose of Osta for a mont or two, or MK677 or cardarine for instance is something totally different than taking AAS...
 
So after delving deeper into the research of Osta suppression, it looks like suppression is almost guaranteed. How can you run this for 12 weeks without a test base then?

Is my understanding that Osta does not have an effect on LH and FSH correct? This would at least make coming off of it easier right?

Also there seems to be some liver toxicity problems with Osta? So does this mean on cycle support is needed for liver?

Damn, on cyc support, test base, Ai for cyc and a "mini" PCT... this is starting to look like a normal AAS cycle... Am I off base here?
 
No your pretty much on point. Some get away with no test base or ai. I always say do real PCT. You don't have to go 12 weeks, 6-8 is fine to start and if things go well maybe go to 12.

Sarms aren't really what ppl thought they were, the can be great in higher dose but at that point it starts getting expensive to do it right. A simple test cycle will give far greater gains at a fraction of the price
 
Oh well... Looks like it might be just MK677 then and add maybe CJC with dac to make it a bit stronger. And maybe try GW for the cut later on...
 
Dang, this cut is really prolonging it self. I'm on antidepressants (escitalopram) for sleep problems and I've read that it's harder to lose weight and easier to put fat on but I didn't think it would be such a big difference. Also I might have repressed my metabolism in the past half a year due to excess stress, not sleeping and a failed cut that didn't really end. But anyway it shouldn't be this hard.

Any recommendations for supps or compounds to help end my cut? I don't want stims cause I have problems with anxiety as is... Any thoughts on PES SHIFT stacked with REDUCE XT anyone? TNX!:) Regarding stims I haven't tried Yohimbe yet or much of anything else, and am able to consume 100mg of caffeine once a day max.
 
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