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Sean's Powerlifting Journey

Rodja said:
I'm with Cressey on that. Percentages vary from day to day and it isn't a really reliable system.
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Especially when Cressey made the point, you're using percentages for an old lift. If you've gotten stronger since, then those percentages aren't exactly true. I still think they should be loosely followed, but not needed to be strictly adhered to. I never really used any %'s for my deadlifts the last 9 weeks because I never had a true max to use.

Doesn't Westside say to use XX% of whatever you believe your current max would be, not old?
 
Sean1332 said:
Especially when Cressey made the point, you're using percentages for an old lift. If you've gotten stronger since, then those percentages aren't exactly true. I still think they should be loosely followed, but not needed to be strictly adhered to. Doesn't Westside say to use XX% of whatever you believe your current max would be, not old?
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There's so much out there about Westside that it's almost impossible to know what they really use. For ME, work I believe that they do doubles until they can no longer continue and then go to singles. For DE, I think use bar speed as their determining factor.
 
Sean1332 said:
Especially when Cressey made the point, you're using percentages for an old lift. If you've gotten stronger since, then those percentages aren't exactly true. I still think they should be loosely followed, but not needed to be strictly adhered to.

Doesn't Westside say to use XX% of whatever you believe your current max would be, not old?
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Saying you're using an old lift that creates inaccurate percentages is, IMHO, really focusing on the minutiae and unnecessarily fiddling with programs.

I mean if I pulled 700 on the platform yesterday, then programmed a new cycle based on that, how can I project a max?

This is where 5/3/1 excels IMHO. Not feeling it? Hit your 3x3 and go. Amped the fùck up? Start in with joker sets.
 
Rodja said:
There's so much out there about Westside that it's almost impossible to know what they really use. For ME, work I believe that they do doubles until they can no longer continue and then go to singles. For DE, I think use bar speed as their determining factor.
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I guess it's easier when you have Louie to tell you exactly what weight/resistance to use.
 
BTW-I didnt think it would be hard to do those side lying windmills in that first link, but they were. Just when I find an improvement in mobility in one area (specifically forearm wall slides, scapular wall slides, and back to wall shoulder flexion), I find that I suck in another.
 
Sean1332 said:
BTW-I didnt think it would be hard to do those side lying windmills in that first link, but they were. Just when I find an improvement in mobility in one area (specifically forearm wall slides, scapular wall slides, and back to wall shoulder flexion), I find that I suck in another.
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Isn't that always the case? Not only in mobility, but in the lifts. At least you're finding things to improve in rather than thinking you're out of options and still have inadequate health.
 
Incline log press and clean, how big was the log, 10"?
 
NomZ said:
Noice, you always have access to that stuff?
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Yup! We have a pretty awesome bar selection. 4" Cambered, 14" cambered, buffalo, yoke bar, SSB, Texas power bar, Texas deadlift bar, Apolons Axle

I've done clean & press with the bar a small amount of times, and this was my second time doing an incline press with it. I'd prefer a Swiss bar for the incline, but this works fine and looks cooler anyways.
 
Nothing for articles that I can think of. What I see as the most effective way to clean the log is to get it high on your torso and roll it up to the rack, then to press it just hit a push press or a split jerk with a ton of layback.
 
I'd like a swiss or football bar for pressing as I do all my DB pressing neutral. Haven't seen anything but I'll keep my eyes open.
 
NomZ said:
I'd like a swiss or football bar for pressing as I do all my DB pressing neutral. Haven't seen anything but I'll keep my eyes open.
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It's pretty sweet. Only pain is if you go to a gym, it's lugging it around. It's actually a pretty big bar and that can be a little hassle transporting . But it's worth it.
 
Sean1332 said:
Never used one. Only used the log to take advantage of it's neutral grip and it's badassery.

jimbuick herderdude NomZ or anyone: any good log clean and press articles? I think it'd make a good/fun lift for the weak point day.
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Sean, fwiw, Benson owns a cleaning log, that he uses for strongman stuff. He may have some stuff re technique. What herderdude said makes sense to me in terms of form, and as I recall, that's how I've seen experienced guys do it.

Still owe you a response re the joint force. Need to look it up.
 
Sean1332 said:
Cube-Upper Repetition

Incline Log Press
155x8
195x8
225x7 + Titan Ram
205x8
155x10 - Titan Ram

Log Clean & Press
155x3x6

Low Pulley Cable Row, D-Grip + Miniband
130x5x8

Tri-Set
-Rolling Dumbell Tricep Extensions
-Low Pulley Facepull
-Dumbell Curls

Light Banded Pallof Press/GHR Sit-ups

Quick day, in and out. The shoulder is feeling good and the log was a good pressing substituted. Hoping to squat on Sunday.
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Wondering, do you find the log pretty comparable to a normal bar? This looks close to what you incline with a regular bar, perhaps 10 lbs lighter (for same number of reps, right? I think the difference would be greater for me, i.e., that I could lift a fair bit more with a conventional bar.

Embarrassed to say, I dunno even know what a Swiss bar is, though a quick Google search could remedy that. But first I will say this: You see @Invalid Link Removed, you're learning and already know more than me re lifting in some respects. :)
 
jinxie said:
Wondering, do you find the log pretty comparable to a normal bar? This looks close to what you incline with a regular bar, perhaps 10 lbs lighter (for same number of reps, right? I think the difference would be greater for me, i.e., that I could lift a fair bit more with a conventional bar.

Embarrassed to say, I dunno even know what a Swiss bar is, though a quick Google search could remedy that. But first I will say this: You see @Invalid Link Removed, you're learning and already know more than me re lifting in some respects. :)
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Swiss bar:

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Football bar:
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I can see the Swiss bar being akward for incline pressing. I would rather own a football bar for the neutral grip, though I can say for sure because I've never touched either.

Jinxie, incline pressing has been an issue for me. Incline dumbells=good, incline barbell=no bueno. The log let me tuck my elbows well and keep my scaps retracted nicely and was %100 pain free. My triceps gave out before anything.

I know Rob and Smoker got Joint Force. I've been laying a section of Saran Wrap after spraying it on my AC joint and leaving it for 30-45 minutes recently. I noticed a considerable difference in relief.
 
Sean1332 said:
I can see the Swiss bar being akward for incline pressing. I would rather own a football bar for the neutral grip, though I can say for sure because I've never touched either.

Jinxie, incline pressing has been an issue for me. Incline dumbells=good, incline barbell=no bueno. The log let me tuck my elbows well and keep my scaps retracted nicely and was %100 pain free. My triceps gave out before anything.

I know Rob and Smoker got Joint Force. I've been laying a section of Saran Wrap after spraying it on my AC joint and leaving it for 30-45 minutes recently. I noticed a considerable difference in relief.
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I think both those bars look cool. But whenever I press DBs with a neutral grip, I need to go way lighter, or I get stuck at the beginning of the movement, from the chest. It's a little awkward for me, when going heavier. Edit: Like you noted, I suspect it's my triceps that are failing first.

It's interesting, but I have far less problems with incline than flat benching. It's been that way as long as I can remember. And my incline has always excelled relatively, partly because my delts are so much stronger and more developed than my chest.

I would be interested in hearing what you think of reverse-grip on the incline. It's worth a try, I think. That really forces the elbows in, and the scap to retract, at least if done properly.

I will check out the Jt Force and let you know if I am familiar with any of the ingredients.

Man, I have no alcohol tolerance now that I am so damn skinny. Had around 6-7 drinks from 4 pm until 11 pm, and I am a little hungover today. And all that glycogen sent my weight up by 5 lbs! My stomach hurt all night and I had bad reflux from being so stuffed while laying flat, partly attributable to eating dinner at around 9 pm, with dessert at 11 pm. That's how the Mexican posse rolls.
 
Swiss isn't good with incline IMO. It's pretty cool for flat. I never used a football bar so I can't speak for it.

Swiss is also good for ohp, rows are a little awkward getting up, but overall it's a good bar for sure
 
Reverse grip for bench I wouldn't want to do. I feel like it would irritate my bicep and be an awkward movement. Idk, that's just my opinion. Some people seem to like it
 
NomZ said:
Incline log press and clean, how big was the log, 10"?
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That's a small log.

IIRC most competition logs are 12", the one I use most often is ~13".

Sean1332 said:
Never used one. Only used the log to take advantage of it's neutral grip and it's badassery.

jimbuick herderdude NomZ or anyone: any good log clean and press articles? I think it'd make a good/fun lift for the weak point day.
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Not that I know of, but the way I was coached in it was this:


Deadlift it to the knees and sit back with it resting on the knees, you want it as far down your upper leg as possible (as close to the knee). Then drop your chest into the log and pull it as hard against your chest as you can. From there, extend the hips explosively, keeping the log pulled against your chest (you want it as high on your chest as possible). Ideally you don't want it to drop down your chest at all. From the rack position you want to be arched as far back as you can, hips will be fully extended to create as big of a shelf as possible, hands should be angled back. The way the wrists point is going to be where the press goes, so you want them pointed back. Dip at the knees slightly and explode up to lockout. It's easier if you "double dip" by exploding up and dropping back down under it to catch it at lockout.


That's about as good as I can do text wise, it's easier to coach in person lol.
 
I appreciate the info, Jim. I'll give it another go around next week and apply that. I won't be competing. Just want to use it as a lift to do. Just something different. I appreciate it buddy.
 
Sean1332 said:
I appreciate the info, Jim. I'll give it another go around next week and apply that. I won't be competing. Just want to use it as a lift to do. Just something different. I appreciate it buddy.
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I would probably do it strict (probably only clean the first rep and do reps with it) but the clean will make or break the press weight that you can use. Efficiency is key with that clean so you don't wear yourself out by curling the log into the rack position.


The arch should be so drastic that the press is more like an incline bench press than a true OHP movement.
 
smoker145 said:
Swiss isn't good with incline IMO. It's pretty cool for flat. I never used a football bar so I can't speak for it.

Swiss is also good for ohp, rows are a little awkward getting up, but overall it's a good bar for sure
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You're drunk. Swiss is awesome for incline.

**** I'll do every press variation in existence with a Swiss bar; for me it takes major pressure off the shoulder and allows me to just press.
 
Swanson52 said:
You're drunk. Swiss is awesome for incline. **** I'll do every press variation in existence with a Swiss bar; for me it takes major pressure off the shoulder and allows me to just press.
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To each their own. I just thought it was awkward. Il not talking sht thou. My best investment I've ever made
 
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