SD/Epi cycle (gyno prone)

benchpresskid

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I am currently running letro to try and kill my delayed gyno I have recently got from a 3 week 20mg SD cycle I did two months ago. This cycle was followed by a decent nolva pct. So I know 20mg will give me gyno.

I have 45 SD caps so was thinking 6 weeks at 10mg a long with 20mg
epi would cut the chances of getting delayed gyno again. I would then run a 5 week pct of nolva/clomid comined.

Good or bad idea?

What else would you guys suggest to someone with 45 sd caps and 90 epi caps?
 
Sounds risky. I have seen people who recieved gyno from Epi so its not 100% bullet proof. Just My opinion but if i ever get Gyno from a PH its a wrap i will be done with PH's then attempt a Pin of Test and if that fails im a Natural guy. Just seems risky because even if you use something like Letro to rid the lump i hear 7/10 times it comes back the next cycle.

Why dont you use Test and use a-dex while on cycle thats what i read alot of people will do and its probably safer then attempting the PH again.
 
Well I know I'm ok with epi, ran it at 30mg with gyno symptoms but no gyno... I could run low dose adex/letro with the cycle of you guys think it's needed. First of all though I need to make sure I can get rid of my current gyno.
 
Well I know I'm ok with epi, ran it at 30mg with gyno symptoms but no gyno... I could run low dose adex/letro with the cycle of you guys think it's needed. First of all though I need to make sure I can get rid of my current gyno.
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Ouch i did not know you currently were going thru it. Man i think a-dex would be better then letro while on cycle but i have never encoutered someone that was not on test using a dex. Good Luck ridding it Bro. I just read you were using Letro its powerfull stuff but it took my buddy 2 weeks on it before he noticed it working and by then his joints were crazy hurting. Sex drive was non existent. GOOD LUCK!!!!!!
 
Thanks. Well 6 days so far and nothing. Going away next month so need it to start working fast. I can take nolva abroad for the rebound but don't know about letro as it's from a underground lab (wildcat).
 
Everyones different but at 2.5mg's something should be starting. My duddy noticed the pain going away and his nipples back to normal right after 10 days. The lump strted to dissapear right after. His did not 100% go away though. His was about the size of a Marble maybe a little smaller and now its about that of a BB. No pain and you cant see it at all. He has felt it so much he finds it first poke but i cant see nothing
 
Well I was but maybe not if it seems insane..? There are lots of people who do 3-4 weeks of 30mg SD = 630-840mg total. While 6 weeks at 10mg would = 420mg total

If anything there would surely be less chance of a rebound which is the main thing I am worried about.
 
Man if it was me i would assume the worst. you need to think like this "SD gives me gyno regardless of dosage." If you nix your current situation you have to realize a 2nd time would be worst in terms of a gyno flare up. I would just stay away from SD and its clones. But thats just me.
 
benchpresskid said:
Well I was but maybe not if it seems insane..? There are lots of people who do 3-4 weeks of 30mg SD = 630-840mg total. While 6 weeks at 10mg would = 420mg total

If anything there would surely be less chance of a rebound which is the main thing I am worried about.
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Your nuts would be the size of crushed pea,s if you did 6 weeks of SD. Not to mention what your putting your liver through. I would hate to see bloodwork after that run.
 
When you got gyno from SD were you by chance also taking finasteride? That's how I got it. I ran 3 cycles of SD before then noticed my hair seemed just a little thin. Got some propecia from the doc and when I ran my next cycle of SD Bam instant gyno. I will never mix those two again.
 
Honestly i would not to SD again. Just assume that now SD gives you gyno why risk it? Epi produces good gains so a try a run at that once your hormones return to Normal Levels. Would 100% take off till the summer though. Letro is a bitch!!
 
are these gyno reports you guys are speaking of, occuring On-Cycle? or during/after PCT?

I don't see how superdrol could cause gyno on-cycle. It doesn't aromatize. The only thing that would make sense, would be that your natural T hasn't shut down yet and superdrol is crushing your SHBG causing more Free-T for a time being leading to more natural aromatase. However, that really seems highly unlikely. The only possibility to go along with the guy using Finasteride, is that finasteride lowers DHT which apparently competes with estradiol. Guys on TRT Gels don't need as much arimidex because the higher DHT from the transdermal counteracts the E2. Seems like finasteride should have caused gyno regardless of the superdol.
 
monsterbox said:
are these gyno reports you guys are speaking of, occuring On-Cycle? or during/after PCT?

I don't see how superdrol could cause gyno on-cycle. It doesn't aromatize. The only thing that would make sense, would be that your natural T hasn't shut down yet and superdrol is crushing your SHBG causing more Free-T for a time being leading to more natural aromatase. However, that really seems highly unlikely. The only possibility to go along with the guy using Finasteride, is that finasteride lowers DHT which apparently competes with estradiol. Guys on TRT Gels don't need as much arimidex because the higher DHT from the transdermal counteracts the E2. Seems like finasteride should have caused gyno regardless of the superdol.
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Usually after pct.
 
I suppose it can vary from individual to individual. But when you say higher rate of delayed gyno , does that mean even after a decent pct, and test levels relativly normalised there can be further rebound? Man I didnt know that if thats the case. I got a dose of gyno from a SD cycle.

I agree with most posters here, I will definately stir well clear of all SD compunds. I am looking toward doing a epistane run too in a couple of months(4 week cycle 30mg). Do you have any idea of the risks of delayed gyno from this comound?
 
SkItZoId said:
I suppose it can vary from individual to individual. But when you say higher rate of delayed gyno , does that mean even after a decent pct, and test levels relativly normalised there can be further rebound? Man I didnt know that if thats the case. I got a dose of gyno from a SD cycle.

I agree with most posters here, I will definately stir well clear of all SD compunds. I am looking toward doing a epistane run too in a couple of months(4 week cycle 30mg). Do you have any idea of the risks of delayed gyno from this comound?
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From what I have seen and heard(no studies to prove it)SD has a higher rate of delayed gyno than most.
 
pembroke3355 said:
From what I have seen and heard(no studies to prove it)SD has a higher rate of delayed gyno than most.
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Man it pays to have a serm handy. I followed a PCT off the SD with oxo-6. I shouldnt of bought the hype really. But it was a couple of months later I noticed the gyno. That was 2007. Aint touched any supps since. Not even creatine.

I have studied epi for awhile. This time i'll always keep a serm handy.
 
SkItZoId said:
Man it pays to have a serm handy. I followed a PCT off the SD with oxo-6. I shouldnt of bought the hype really. But it was a couple of months later I noticed the gyno. That was 2007. Aint touched any supps since. Not even creatine.

I have studied epi for awhile. This time i'll always keep a serm handy.
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Yes it does.
 
Where did I say I was on fin... It was sd and 4 weeks of nolva. 2 months later gyno. I've got some more letro on the way and also adding in prami for progesterone. Then I'm going to do a 6 week epi cycle. I'm just going to sell the 45 sd pills to someone.
 
benchpresskid said:
Where did I say I was on fin... It was sd and 4 weeks of nolva. 2 months later gyno. I've got some more letro on the way and also adding in prami for progesterone. Then I'm going to do a 6 week epi cycle. I'm just going to sell the 45 sd pills to someone.
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How long will it be from the end of your last pct till the time you start epi?
 
Basically thats a prety recovered image of my op last week. SD is a harsh compound man. but im not blameless i suppose. that said What im hearing on another thread about delayed gyno is interesting? Did the OP mention this in this thread too? Did the gyno come straigt away after cycle or after awhile(month or so). Sorry maybe should have read the thread back over.
 
benchpresskid said:
You should read it. It came two months after pct.
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Yeah sorry dude, go confused from another thread. Thats sucks and is exactly what happened to me. SD is SH!T, well at least for me.

In all seriousness though if you do need it cut out it isnt all that bad as far as pain goes. Ans apparently the scar shouldnt be too obvious. There aint anything out right proved as far as I can tell that will rid hardened gyno other than an op. Peace.
 
Thats after op now, so its bruised as F!ck. I had it a week ago monday. The lump was around 2cm in diameter. I'll try and get up a pic just after the op! thats much more serious looking, the pic wouldnt upload at first....bear with me.

Hopefully, it will look ok when the bruising goes down, so far so good, I have relatively low BF so the lipo shouldnt of been to un-even. I only got it in the left hand side luckely, coz thats when you can have proper problems as the surgery can make the symmetry of your chest odd.
 
SkItZoId said:
Thats after op now, so its bruised as F!ck. I had it a week ago monday. The lump was around 2cm in diameter. I'll try and get up a pic just after the op! thats much more serious looking, the pic wouldnt upload at first....bear with me.

Hopefully, it will look ok when the bruising goes down, so far so good, I have relatively low BF so the lipo shouldnt of been to un-even. I only got it in the left hand side luckely, coz thats when you can have proper problems as the surgery can make the symmetry of your chest odd.
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Damn bro sorry to hear that. That is one of the reasons a lot of us really do not recommend the harsh compounds. Even with a great pct SD seems to have a higher instance of gyno than most of the others.
 
pembroke3355 said:
Damn bro sorry to hear that. That is one of the reasons a lot of us really do not recommend the harsh compounds. Even with a great pct SD seems to have a higher instance of gyno than most of the others.
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Ive managed to put it into my gallery but i cant seam to get it up on here! Im slow today, the opiates the docs been giving me are wreaking halvoc on me!! If you can dig it out of my gallary feel free to post it on here with the other one like last time, i really dont mind. I want people to see the bad news a SD or SD clone cycle can be, even with PCT. Soryy to burden you with this Pembroke! But i Promise i'll work out how to do it myself!! haha. Peace.

The next pic in the gallery is the day after the op, i stil got the marker pen on me!
 


Hey I sussed it( the opiates are slowing me down guys)

This is recent, about 2 days back. Its better again now, but still obviously bruised and yellow.
 
Damn I cant get it sorted guys....Shot me :)..You can just check my gallery if you want and if it isnt enough to stop you from trying SD or SD clones then good luck, just let your mates have a good old sqeeze on them when they're feeling lonely, otherwise you wouldnt be a good mate.
 
SkItZoId said:
Damn I cant get it sorted guys....Shot me :)..You can just check my gallery if you want and if it isnt enough to stop you from trying SD or SD clones then good luck, just let your mates have a good old sqeeze on them when they're feeling lonely, otherwise you wouldnt be a good mate.
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I will take care of it for you

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pembroke3355 said:
I will take care of it for you
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Thanks dude. Its pretty manky all in all I have to say, not worth going through again. Luckly in the UK we have free treatment for such a complaint, but it dosnt justify it!! Hopefully i'll be back training mid week, just arms and legs I think. I was hoping to get back sooner but to be fair I havent even been for a cycle, i just havent felt up for it or risking further scarring.

Im hopeing to run epistane very carefully. I have a decent serm in place and im grabbing some td formestane. but im not sure exactly yet how i will use the Formestane yet. I need to research some more. I think epi will be the safe choice for me from now in, but trust me I will have an army of serms and ai's on stand by if things start going tits up so to speak!

(p.s just figured AM wont let me send pics until im 50 post in!!)
 
to jump in on this in need some advice.

my SD cycle was phera bridge
SD 10/20/20
Phera 00/00/20/30/30

pct. clomi 75/75/50/25

Im finishing week 4 of pct. Nipples have become sensitive, and slight hard bump under each nip. small but there. What is my plan of action at this point? I have inhibit-e on hand and have been running it at 75mg for a day, the lumps seems to be slightly smaller
 
qwerty33 said:
to jump in on this in need some advice.

my SD cycle was phera bridge
SD 10/20/20
Phera 00/00/20/30/30

pct. clomi 75/75/50/25

Im finishing week 4 of pct. Nipples have become sensitive, and slight hard bump under each nip. small but there. What is my plan of action at this point? I have inhibit-e on hand and have been running it at 75mg for a day, the lumps seems to be slightly smaller
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By what im hearing letro asap. But hard lumps are genrally untreatable in the long term. Im sure there are exceptions to the rule. Good luck. Like people say, if it stops at just timy small lumps, then live your life and dont ever touch SD again. I dont kow if your testicals are still suppressed, maybe something like formestane may help?? I dont know Ive not tried it, but it is going to be part of my PCT army next time.
 
i feel recovered from pct. just hand sensitive nipps. god i hate SD.

i have torem and inhbit-e should i run both?
 
qwerty33 said:
i feel recovered from pct. just hand sensitive nipps. god i hate SD.

i have torem and inhbit-e should i run both?
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Sounds to me an AI is needed more than anything to prehapes stop it getting worse. There are probably better people to ask. But maybe run an AI and ramp the dose down to avoid estrogen bounce back when you stop the AI. Torem is a supposidly better serm than nolva, but you have already run clomid, so im not sure you need to ram down any more serms. I hear good things about transdermal formestane as an AI, I myself will be getting some of this. I dont know if inhibit works as an AI(which i assume it does, ive never read about it) but if so, yes I would be trying that asap while maybe looking for somethig stronger in the meantime. good luck.
 
Bro sorry to here of your gyno but then Congrats on getting it taken care of!!

I have never had gyno but my buddy went thru it and here is his story. He did a Super clone and went thru PCT with Nolva and a Test booster. about 2 months after PCT his nipples became very sore to the touch. About 2-3 days later a small BB shaped lump was discovered. He went on Nolva for 4 weeks at 40/30/20/10. The sensitivity subsided but he was left with a lump about the size of a dice. He ordered Letro immediately. He recieved his Letro about 2 weeks after the Nolva run and slowly tapered up to 2.5mg. He stayed at that dose for over a month and the gyno did reduce however never went away. It went from a Dice to a little smaller then a bean.

He then was so sick of the sides of Letro he slowly tapered off for 1 more week and jumped on Nolva again at 40/40/20/20. No more sides after Nolva. Lump stayed the same for about a year when he again tried Sdrol. This time Gyno happened durring PCT he went as high as 30mg on Super for the 4th week. The gyno got worse while on Nolva. He jumped on Letro again and stayed there for a month or so and got the pain away yet the lump stayed about the size of 20ounce coke top. He later went to a doctor and explained everything. The doc told him if the Letro had no bearance surgery was his option.

This past July he had the surgery. Cost him 3100. They did some Lipo and left some of the gland for shape. The surgeon told him that leaving the gland is critical for shaping his chest and to not press his luck with steroids as there is alot of misconception thjat having surgery means no more gyno. Wrong. That is not the case. He has since stayed clear of anything hormonal and after about a month of recovery his chest looked good. hes a low BF% id say 5-6% so his gyno was seen. His chest today looks fine. The only scar is right under the aerola where the pink meets the flesh skin. Very hard to see but he does have hard lump still but its not seen.
 
Lou villian said:
Bro sorry to here of your gyno but then Congrats on getting it taken care of!!

I have never had gyno but my buddy went thru it and here is his story. He did a Super clone and went thru PCT with Nolva and a Test booster. about 2 months after PCT his nipples became very sore to the touch. About 2-3 days later a small BB shaped lump was discovered. He went on Nolva for 4 weeks at 40/30/20/10. The sensitivity subsided but he was left with a lump about the size of a dice. He ordered Letro immediately. He recieved his Letro about 2 weeks after the Nolva run and slowly tapered up to 2.5mg. He stayed at that dose for over a month and the gyno did reduce however never went away. It went from a Dice to a little smaller then a bean.

He then was so sick of the sides of Letro he slowly tapered off for 1 more week and jumped on Nolva again at 40/40/20/20. No more sides after Nolva. Lump stayed the same for about a year when he again tried Sdrol. This time Gyno happened durring PCT he went as high as 30mg on Super for the 4th week. The gyno got worse while on Nolva. He jumped on Letro again and stayed there for a month or so and got the pain away yet the lump stayed about the size of 20ounce coke top. He later went to a doctor and explained everything. The doc told him if the Letro had no bearance surgery was his option.

This past July he had the surgery. Cost him 3100. They did some Lipo and left some of the gland for shape. The surgeon told him that leaving the gland is critical for shaping his chest and to not press his luck with steroids as there is alot of misconception thjat having surgery means no more gyno. Wrong. That is not the case. He has since stayed clear of anything hormonal and after about a month of recovery his chest looked good. hes a low BF% id say 5-6% so his gyno was seen. His chest today looks fine. The only scar is right under the aerola where the pink meets the flesh skin. Very hard to see but he does have hard lump still but its not seen.
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Man the SDROL is nasty sh!t by all accounts. When I bought it the write ups all said, no chance of gyno as it doesnt aromatise(fair enough true), but they said nothing about rebound. It was just hightly reccmended PCT was used and then went on to suggest oxo-6. I wish I could sue them!! haha.

I dont know of your experiences, but do you think i will be ok with epistane. I have all the right ideas for cycle support and PCT im even waiting until i have twice the pct (serms and ai's) i need before i start the cycle. I never had trouble with nor andro or 1-test (ergopharm and san) Infact I never used any pct with the san t-100 and never(more luck than anything)had any issues. Im relatiely confident that its the SD that messed me up.
 
qwerty33 said:
to jump in on this in need some advice.

my SD cycle was phera bridge
SD 10/20/20
Phera 00/00/20/30/30

pct. clomi 75/75/50/25

Im finishing week 4 of pct. Nipples have become sensitive, and slight hard bump under each nip. small but there. What is my plan of action at this point? I have inhibit-e on hand and have been running it at 75mg for a day, the lumps seems to be slightly smaller
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If your getting hard lumps under the nips STOP THE CYCLE and start pct.
 
Everyone is different but if i ever get gyno im done. You have done been thru the worse of it. My opinion is to stay clear. Most surgeons leave some of the gland for shape. It would be nightmarish if you had freak 2nd bout of it. That said Epi and Hdrol would be the safest bet.

Im currently running the Trifecta stack. Its extremely mild but man i have seen fantastic results. The log is in my signature check it out. I have had zero sides from it. I panicked at the very beginning with the tingle sensation in my nips but that lasted 1-2 days. Which is actually Normal for most DS.

Epi would be a safe bet though.
 
Lou villian said:
Bro sorry to here of your gyno but then Congrats on getting it taken care of!!

I have never had gyno but my buddy went thru it and here is his story. He did a Super clone and went thru PCT with Nolva and a Test booster. about 2 months after PCT his nipples became very sore to the touch. About 2-3 days later a small BB shaped lump was discovered. He went on Nolva for 4 weeks at 40/30/20/10. The sensitivity subsided but he was left with a lump about the size of a dice. He ordered Letro immediately. He recieved his Letro about 2 weeks after the Nolva run and slowly tapered up to 2.5mg. He stayed at that dose for over a month and the gyno did reduce however never went away. It went from a Dice to a little smaller then a bean.

He then was so sick of the sides of Letro he slowly tapered off for 1 more week and jumped on Nolva again at 40/40/20/20. No more sides after Nolva. Lump stayed the same for about a year when he again tried Sdrol. This time Gyno happened durring PCT he went as high as 30mg on Super for the 4th week. The gyno got worse while on Nolva. He jumped on Letro again and stayed there for a month or so and got the pain away yet the lump stayed about the size of 20ounce coke top. He later went to a doctor and explained everything. The doc told him if the Letro had no bearance surgery was his option.

This past July he had the surgery. Cost him 3100. They did some Lipo and left some of the gland for shape. The surgeon told him that leaving the gland is critical for shaping his chest and to not press his luck with steroids as there is alot of misconception thjat having surgery means no more gyno. Wrong. That is not the case. He has since stayed clear of anything hormonal and after about a month of recovery his chest looked good. hes a low BF% id say 5-6% so his gyno was seen. His chest today looks fine. The only scar is right under the aerola where the pink meets the flesh skin. Very hard to see but he does have hard lump still but its not seen.
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by the way i was taking thr sdrol 12-22/22/34/34/22-12 oxodrol are/were 12mg tabs. so a five week go i had. Nasty. Then I had 5 weeks of 6-oxo at above reccomended dose(cant remember the figures) but i ramped it down. 2 months later lumps.

Have there been many reports of Epistane delayed gyno?
Seams to me
 
SkItZoId said:
by the way i was taking thr sdrol 12-22/22/34/34/22-12 oxodrol are/were 12mg tabs. so a five week go i had. Nasty. Then I had 5 weeks of 6-oxo at above reccomended dose(cant remember the figures) but i ramped it down. 2 months later lumps.

Have there been many reports of Epistane delayed gyno?
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Yes there has but not to the extent of SD.
 
Lou villian said:
5 weeks of super....damn i see alot of 3 weekers and the ocational 4 weeker. Thats sounds Harsh!!
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**** and my maths is crap it was 12-24/24/36/36/24-12 over 5 weeks. So they are bloody high doses too. Like i said, believe it or not, that is what was advised along with substandard PCT. When you look at it like this, no wonder I turned into pamala anderson. I hoping a nice steady 10/20/30/30 or 20/20/30/30 0r even a 20/30/30/40 dosing of epistane would be safer. I might start with the 20/20/30/30 this time round and if im cool with that then next cycle i'll up the last week to 40.
 
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