SD blood work / liver values concern me

[lifthardheavy]

Imho most cycle supports like milk thistle, ryr, etc., are useless on cycle. The studies on them were done on people who did not take steroids. I have taken superdrol w/ and w/o them (all with bloodwork) and can attest that they do absolutely nothing. The only one I found that had a material impact was Liver Longer.

Accept that steroids will temporarily screw up some combination of your cholesterol, bp, blood sugar, and liver enzymes, or stay nat. I don't bother with supps anymore (except LL)... they're just extra stress on the liver. The more meds and supps you take, the more work the liver needs to do to process it all.

 

[nottus]

first off poopypants i would not consider 10mg of superdrol an excessive dose at all ive seen people on here doing 30mg a day and 25mg of halo is not that aggressive either. they were combined into one product so i dint have a choice! thanks for the opinion though and yes i am on a serm.

 

[Trauma1]

I thought NAC was only used in hepatitis secondary to acetaminophen toxicity.

Primarily yes, but i've personally seen it used in a few different circumstances/situations with poisonings(heavy metals,medications). NAC is rapidly metabolized into glutathione in the body which acts as a powerful antioxidant, and detoxifies chemicals into less harmful coumpounds. It's hepato-protective/detox effects have proven useful in treating liver damage ranging from hepatitis to medication toxicity. It's actually used pretty often prior to CT scans with IV contrast by some doctors. It's been found to lower the nephrotoxic effects of the contrast medium. The renal protective quality can be important to people undergoing these tests that have borderline serum Creatinine values prior to testing.

 

[poopypants]

first off poopypants i would not consider 10mg of superdrol an excessive dose at all ive seen people on here doing 30mg a day and 25mg of halo is not that aggressive either. they were combined into one product so i dint have a choice! thanks for the opinion though and yes i am on a serm.

those are more conservitive doses, I still would opt to take another oral over a stacked methyl... but to each his own.

how far into your pct are you? was that blood drawn at end of cycle and before pct? if so man i wouldnt freak just yet, thats what PCT is for and im sure your values will be considerably better at the end of PCT.

 

[Trauma1]

well I just got my blood work back after a 4 week 10mg a day superdrol cycle: I am Screwed!!!

I did not react well at all to this cycle my ast is 80 normal 10-40

my ALT : 166!! Thats through the roof! normal 9-60

HDL Cholesterol : 21 should be over 40

LDL Cholesterol : 137 should be below 130

Any thoughts on how to get this under control? I am on cycle support right now and it does not seem to be doing much?

When was your bloodwork drawn, before or after pct? Honestly your levels really aren't that bad if you just stopped your cycle. Read over this thread:

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After any cycle you're going to have a certain amount of liver stress. It's important to follow up with your bloodwork/results regularily to gauge recovery and prevent possible issues. This is a general statement that i make and it in no way only applies to your situation.

 

[LilPsychotic]

I've run superdrol 3 times now, once a year to be exact.

(2005-2006) First cycle was 10/20/20 (gained 12lbs, no blood work, bp was 155/90 at end of cycle, 115/68 at start of cycle)

(2006-2007) Second cycle was 10/20/30 (gained 9lbs, no blood work, bp was 166/95 at end of cycle, 118/70 at start of cycle)

(2007-2008) Third cycle was 10/20/20/20 (gained 9lbs, got blood work, bp was 172/95 at end of cycle, 115/64 at start of cycle)

At the end of this last cycle (which was 4 weeks long), I felt much worse that I did from the previous 3 week cycles. Got a headache the last 3 days of the cycle, lost a little appetite, and felt generally lethargic and run down, as well as a pretty bad stomach ache on the right side of my body (thought it could be liver or gallbladder).

I went to the doctor 24 hours after the last pill and had blood taken. My blood work came back with an HDL of 9, LDL of 120, liver & kidney function were normal though.

It's been a week now since I had the blood work done, pain in my right side is gone, appetite is normal, blood pressure I can tell is down but I've gotta get it checked today to verfiy what I feel, but my eyes now feel a little wierd from the clomid and/or nolvadex.

Another thing to note is that I was using garlic, sesathin, cla, efa's, ryr, hawthorn berry, coq-10, and eating oatmeal every day on cycle, and it didn't do anything for me, except for maybe keep my LDL's a little lower than they could've been, but even that is just speculation.

Personally, I won't do another superdrol cycle. I had originally planned to stack a few things together, and run it for 6 weeks, but I'm glad I didn't now, as I'm sure it would've been worse.

Damn, a f*cking 9! Now thats what I mean by an f'ed up lipid profile.

 

[nottus]

Thanks Trauma1 I am just going to keep on my pct and wait three more weeks then go back for a follow up blood test. I am also going to take a few days off of training prior to the test as well as drink plenty of fluids and see how it checks out! Thanks for the help!

 

[Trauma1]

Thanks Trauma1 I am just going to keep on my post cycle therapy and wait three more weeks then go back for a follow up blood test. I am also going to take a few days off of training prior to the test as well as drink plenty of fluids and see how it checks out! Thanks for the help!

No problem. I wouldn't be overly worried about it at this point. Just make sure to follow up with this to make sure everything returns to normal as i'm sure it will. Keep us updated.

 

[jpk]

Booze?

Nottus,

I'm assuming that you haven't been hitting the booze (including beer) at all on cycle or during PCT. Also, acetominophen, the active ingredient in Tylenol is extremely liver toxic.

Happy President's Day:bb:

 

[nottus]

na jpk i have not drank in about 2 months and even before that more of a once a week 2-4 drinks kinda routine. I just think the superdrol was a bit much.

 

[motiv8er]

well I just got my blood work back after a 4 week 10mg a day superdrol cycle: I am Screwed!!!

I did not react well at all to this cycle my ast is 80 normal 10-40

my ALT : 166!! Thats through the roof! normal 9-60

HDL Cholesterol : 21 should be over 40

LDL Cholesterol : 137 should be below 130

Any thoughts on how to get this under control? I am on cycle support right now and it does not seem to be doing much?

That and running two methyls together is a bad idea. Period. Do you know which one killed your values? No.

Load up on your healthy oils and continue with cycle therapy. And mixing methyls is bad.

 

[nottus]

yeah your probably right. I was told by a very close family friend who owns a supplement company this was a good product. Well he was half right, it was good for putting on size i will give him that but two compounds like halodrol and superdrol together even at modest doses of 10mg superdrol and 25mg halodrol was a bad idea. well i learned a valuable lesson. next time im thinking either halo alone or havoc. Any experiences by anyone on a havoc or epistane only cycle or just halo? just wondering. Obvioisly i will be waiting for several months before i even think about doing any orals agai though just interested.

 

[poopypants]

yeah your probably right. I was told by a very close family friend who owns a supplement company this was a good product. Well he was half right, it was good for putting on size i will give him that but two compounds like halodrol and superdrol together even at modest doses of 10mg superdrol and 25mg halodrol was a bad idea. well i learned a valuable lesson. next time im thinking either halo alone or havoc. Any experiences by anyone on a havoc or epistane only cycle or just halo? just wondering. Obvioisly i will be waiting for several months before i even think about doing any orals agai though just interested.

check my log below on Epi. its def a good one ran alone or in a stack with a non methyl.