SD Alternatives??

aznole

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Hi all, long time lurker and reader and looking for some solid advice on Superdrol Alternatives (clones)

I've ran SD four times with great results and most recently finished a pulsed 9 week run of LGI SD-10 in Jan 2012. Kept 95% of my gains
34 5.10" 220lbs 12% BF

It's getting to be that time again and well ... we all know much of the SD clones are gone ....

So my question of the guru's here ... what is a viable SD alternative? Looking to put on some mass and lean out a bit which always happened with SD.

Was looking at M-Stane and then read here that they seemed to have changed the formula to that of ultradrol

Thanks in advance
 
There is this thing called testosterone its great fun, also much nicer on the liver. Also instead of ED it can give you a higher libido. Also you can run it for longer than superdrol and gain more muscle. All in all great stuff.
 
Gerbil said:
There is this thing called testosterone its great fun, also much nicer on the liver. Also instead of ED it can give you a higher libido. Also you can run it for longer than superdrol and gain more muscle. All in all great stuff.
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I would go as far to say that you could run test indefinitely, at least in lower dosages like 200-300mg per week. Heck, when it's test only, we're talking 12,16 & 20 weeks with minimal sides to deal with if handled properly.
 
fueledpassion said:
I would go as far to say that you could run test indefinitely, at least in lower dosages like 200-300mg per week. Heck, when it's test only, we're talking 12,16 & 20 weeks with minimal sides to deal with if handled properly.
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I like the concept of having working testes till I am 35. (I would like the option to pass my sexy ass genes). If I didn't want the possibility of children I would cruise in a heartbeat.
 
Libido has never been an issue for me during pulsed cycles ... add in copious amounts of DAA and various other libido enhancing supplements and I remain like an 18 yr old through out ... After watching a close friend contract MRSA from a pin and nearly die ... I'll stick with orals ... I'd like to live to enjoy my libido ...

but thanks for the wise ass remarks

other suggestions welcome
 
aznole said:
Libido has never been an issue for me during pulsed cycles ... add in copious amounts of DAA and various other libido enhancing supplements and I remain like an 18 yr old through out ... After watching a close friend contract MRSA from a pin and nearly die ... I'll stick with orals ... I'd like to live to enjoy my libido ...

but thanks for the wise ass remarks

other suggestions welcome
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Sounds like your friend needs to learn a thing or two about sterile technique.
 
Well the most direct replacement seems to be Methylstenbolone either as Ultradrol(formerly Anteaus Labs now Elite Formulations), or IronMagLabs M-Sten RX. You could always go the DMZ route which is 2 SD molecules with an azine bond, LGI seems to be good to go for DMZ. You could also hold tight because PHF's new sister company Celtic Labs might be popping out a 7a methyl Dianabol, I believe it was a 2a Cyano Phera, and a possible prohormone to superdrol.
 
00S4Boy said:
Well the most direct replacement seems to be Methylstenbolone either as Ultradrol(formerly Anteaus Labs now Elite Formulations), or IronMagLabs M-Sten RX. You could always go the DMZ route which is 2 SD molecules with an azine bond, LGI seems to be good to go for DMZ. You could also hold tight because PHF's new sister company Celtic Labs might be popping out a 7a methyl Dianabol, I believe it was a 2a Cyano Phera, and a possible prohormone to superdrol.
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Thanks OOS4 ... I had read about the Celtic Labs product last week and figured by the time it came out and people used it ... then there would be some logs and feedback I'd be about ready for another run

I am kinda leaning towards DMZ ... I like LGI as a company ... reading logs now as to some possible stacking suitors
 
DMZ does not act exactly like sdrol. Just a heads up.
 
Sd was good when I ran it, but I think most of the clones are underdosed..i dont mess with ph's anymore, the gains to sides ratio arent worth it. Juice is better brah.
 
Gerbil said:
I like the concept of having working testes till I am 35. (I would like the option to pass my sexy ass genes). If I didn't want the possibility of children I would cruise in a heartbeat.
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For what its worth, my endo (what was a bodybuilder and trainer), claims that test only cycles have never presented long term effects for men - that the only thing to be concerned with on test cycles is gyno and that within 6 months most patients bounce back to normal function. I tend to believe it especially since you can cruise with low dose hcg as you go to prevent total shutdown. The fact the she was willing to put me on a a cruising TRT at 200-300mg/week (and I'm only 27) and was comfortable with it tells me that she was confident about her position. She did however say that the problem bodybuilders have is when they add compounds other than test to the cycle. At this point, there are no documentations that provide any conlcusions about fertility and HPTA function. For instance, no one is doing a long-term research on the effects of tren, eq, masteron, d-bol, etc etc.
 
It's still out there, and there are many UGs that make their own. Just look around a bit more
 
fueledpassion said:
For what its worth, my endo (what was a bodybuilder and trainer), claims that test only cycles have never presented long term effects for men - that the only thing to be concerned with on test cycles is gyno and that within 6 months most patients bounce back to normal function. I tend to believe it especially since you can cruise with low dose hcg as you go to prevent total shutdown. The fact the she was willing to put me on a a cruising TRT at 200-300mg/week (and I'm only 27) and was comfortable with it tells me that she was confident about her position. She did however say that the problem bodybuilders have is when they add compounds other than test to the cycle. At this point, there are no documentations that provide any conlcusions about fertility and HPTA function. For instance, no one is doing a long-term research on the effects of tren, eq, masteron, d-bol, etc etc.
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I've got to get my hands on some masteron some time.

Seems like such a badass drug.
 
fueledpassion said:
For what its worth, my endo (what was a bodybuilder and trainer), claims that test only cycles have never presented long term effects for men - that the only thing to be concerned with on test cycles is gyno and that within 6 months most patients bounce back to normal function. I tend to believe it especially since you can cruise with low dose hcg as you go to prevent total shutdown. The fact the she was willing to put me on a a cruising TRT at 200-300mg/week (and I'm only 27) and was comfortable with it tells me that she was confident about her position. She did however say that the problem bodybuilders have is when they add compounds other than test to the cycle. At this point, there are no documentations that provide any conlcusions about fertility and HPTA function. For instance, no one is doing a long-term research on the effects of tren, eq, masteron, d-bol, etc etc.
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How difficult do you feel it is to get a doctor to write you a script for enough test to cruise at 300 a week?

I mean obviously you found one, but is it really that easy?

300mg/wk is well above a TRT dosage, so if I asked my doctor about it, do you think he'd just assume I was treating him as a drug dealer and looking for him to prescribe me steroids?
 
There is nothing out there atm keep a eye on mr supps making beastdrol version 2.0 now they will find a way lol
 
Orally no nothing out there atm,watch me supps they are making beastdrol v 2.0 now bet they will find a way
 
R1187 said:
How difficult do you feel it is to get a doctor to write you a script for enough test to cruise at 300 a week?

I mean obviously you found one, but is it really that easy?

300mg/wk is well above a TRT dosage, so if I asked my doctor about it, do you think he'd just assume I was treating him as a drug dealer and looking for him to prescribe me steroids?
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200mg is common place. And quite honestly, if you run it indefinitely, after about 12-15 weeks it all becomes hard to identify a difference. At that point you've loaded up so much in the blood it could very well feel like 500mg does at week 5 or 6 of a cycle. Our docs in this area focus less on the amount per week and more on sustained, elevated blood levels. Usually, they let you clear it for about 10 days and then give you a blood test with results coming back in the 700-1000 range then go back to the once a week amount. They base it on how you feel as opposed to drawing a line in the sand on dosage. If you feel good and your vitals are within normal ranges, they will continue to dose you at that level, whatever it is. It is a very subjective thing. The only extra protocol they take is in keeping your hemoglobin levels at bay by drawing your blood every 6 weeks or so. Granted, the place of business I am referring to makes all of their income on TRT patients. It is their focal point in the industry.

I know of some that have given patients as much as 300mg, and in one case, 400mg/week sustained. They aren't afraid of it I suppose because they are convinced that the long term effects are all the same between 200mg and 400mg per week. I tend to believe it myself since when you run any dose whether it is TRT levels or 1000mg/week, by the time you hit week 8 or 10, you are already 100% shutdown regardless of dosage. The key is HCG, and they offer that remedy while on TRT as well.
 
OnionKnight said:
id run test but the whole gf + illegal/needle = dick cut off. and i like my dick
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I just got dumped so I can leave pins lying around..... Silver lining.
 
You shouldn't need trt at 27 unless you've really beat the **** out of yourself with ph/aas.

Don't even get me started on you kids running aas before age thirty with less than a decade of training under your belt. no offense to anyone here at this board but the **** I see around me is ridiculous.. People in dyel mode jumping on **** because they have no dedication or patience.

I've been training natty for eight to nine years and I see so many stupid kids these days who don't know **** about training, diet or dedication and are running hgh, test, and insulin at twenty two years old. That's ****ing stupid, think about the future of your endo system..


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Any who, that being said get your training, nutrition, and rest in check.

@ OP, my friend used mdrol by cel labs. From what I saw he blew the **** up. It's a superdrol clone.
He got it off of some website the name of a river
 
OnionKnight said:
id run test but the whole gf + illegal/needle = dick cut off. and i like my dick
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Speeding is illegal.

Injecting is safer than orals.

Wish people weren't so close-minded. I've been there, and had a girl leave after I discussed my plans to use.
 
aceroni said:
Don't even get me started on you kids running aas before age thirty with less than a decade of training under your belt.
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This is BS.

I'll use AAS whenever I want.

Sick of these self righteous people who think AAS can only be used after a certain age or length of training.

You think any pro bodybuilder waited until they were 30? LMAO.
 
aceroni said:
You shouldn't need trt at 27 unless you've really beat the **** out of yourself with ph/aas.

Don't even get me started on you kids running aas before age thirty with less than a decade of training under your belt. no offense to anyone here at this board but the **** I see around me is ridiculous.. People in dyel mode jumping on **** because they have no dedication or patience.

I've been training natty for eight to nine years and I see so many stupid kids these days who don't know **** about training, diet or dedication and are running hgh, test, and insulin at twenty two years old. That's ****ing stupid, think about the future of your endo system..

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Any who, that being said get your training, nutrition, and rest in check.

@ OP, my friend used mdrol by cel labs. From what I saw he blew the **** up. It's a superdrol clone.
He got it off Amazon.
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30 is a stretch to say not to use ph'/aas, do you know what trt is? ever thought about someone having low test naturally? and lastly dont source...
 
R1187 said:
This is BS.

I'll use AAS whenever I want.

Sick of these self righteous people who think AAS can only be used after a certain age or length of training.

You think any pro bodybuilder waited until they were 30? LMAO.
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Ya he just mad..i mean 28yr olds are still kids, right? Its a personal choice when to get started, dont know why he's so butthurt about it

Sent from my SGH-T959
 
One, I deleted source, my

I'm not trying to be self righteous. I was simply trying to tell OP to get his **** right first.

If you think Bobby bicep curl who's one hundred thirty pounds and been training for barely two years and is complaining about not gaining weight because he doesn't actually put the effort into the kitchen daily should juice, you sir are very wrong.

Yes it is peoples choice, but they should at least have a BASIC UNDERSTANDING of training and nutrition before they juice, otherwise they're doing more harm than good.

I'm not trying to imply people who need trt shouldn't get it as necessary, because that's a completely different story.

it sounds like you two are but hurt-seeing as you got offended by my comment on the internet, but i'm sorry

I have nothing against gear, the majority of my friends are ON. Mark my words, many of them say they wish they wouldn't have started in their early twenties, while the endo system is still developing.

If you want to keep being juicing be my guest but when your old and your joints and hormones are all ****ed up just remember I warned you bros
 
well it did hurt and im all out of excedrine, thanks. plus i have alot of sitting to do, ehhhh
 
hvactech said:
well it did hurt and im all out of excedrine, thanks. plus i have alot of sitting to do, ehhhh
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Lol, I wasn't trying to piss ppl off I was merely warning OP.
So many times on this board young kids join asking about gear. I'm not anti gear but i'm against young untrained uninformed individuals using.
Also I edited my above post

Also if he's 34 and I missed that then I have no reason to even speak,, other than to tell him injectibles are much safer, which you guys have already done.
 
hvactech said:
no one is pissed off, lol.
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Ok well my apologies good sir, never had an intent to rustle anyones jimmies.

I just have a good friend of mine who went the same route I was speaking of and because his training and everything isn't spot on he always losses his gains after cycle, even with pct, all he managed to do was damage his liver.

Just didn't want you bros to go that same route
 
Rest assured ... although I have not been an active poster here ... I am not a rookie. While I understand that many feel injectibles are safer for THEM ... in my circumstance and work environment they simply are not, (as my friend I previously referenced found out the hard way) So i mitigate the sides and harm of a cycle by choosing to run pulsed cycles.

No worries ... my diet and training are spot on to the goals I seek. PCT is also to a T and my everday staple supplements rarely vary unless their is a change in training or goals. As I said ... my past 2 pulses I had little to no sides ... no shutdown ... and kept 90-95 % of my gains ... Post cycle I keep at it and keep my daily supps and diet on point, which is where I credit the keeping of results. I am very disciplined. I also have the ability to get weekly blood work done so I can monitor that aspect.

It looks like I am going to be running ProStanivar along with trenazone on pulsed off days. Anyone not using DAA while on an oral cycle is missing out ... I up to 15 grams a day and am like an 18 yr old even though I am on cycle ... I normally run 5 gm/day while off. I respond well and it reall helps keep the shut down at a distance.

I had a few PM's askign about my supps diet and pulsing ... so here goes

My daily supps consist of:
Beta Alanine
Creatine Mono
Cit. Malate
Agmatine
AAKG
DAA
Alcar
Whey
BCAA
Xtend (prewo)
Flax
Maca
H Goat Weed
Fenugreek

On cycle the basics remain ... I up the DAA and Beta Alanine and Flax, drop the AAKG and add in:
Taurine
Hawthorne Berries
Cycle Support

PCT I continue to run all supps and add in:
Toremifine
Erase
DAA also continues at around 15 gm/day

As for Diet ... All I eat are all natual meat fish protein sources, canned tuna drained and rinsed of sodium, eggs/whites, and fruit's /vegetables. I carb cycle while off cycle so my only carb sources on low carb days are fruits veggies and dairy .... on load days it's steel cut oats, brown rice, yams, or whole wheat pasta in addition to fruits veggies and dairy MY diet is pretty boring to most but effective for me. While ON I usually aim for 300 - 400 carbs a day depending on what my body is saying and looking like. I take advantage of being anabolic while on usually doing cardio 6 mornings a week mostly HIIT. I hit the weights 4-5 nights while on then once into PCT cut back to 3 over the course of 3 weeks to avoid injury and burn out. Cardio also returns to the normal 4-5 morning a week. I always split cardio am and weights pm.
 
aznole said:
Rest assured ... although I have not been an active poster here ... I am not a rookie. While I understand that many feel injectibles are safer for THEM ... in my circumstance and work environment they simply are not, (as my friend I previously referenced found out the hard way) So i mitigate the sides and harm of a cycle by choosing to run pulsed cycles.

No worries ... my diet and training are spot on to the goals I seek. PCT is also to a T and my everday staple supplements rarely vary unless their is a change in training or goals. As I said ... my past 2 pulses I had little to no sides ... no shutdown ... and kept 90-95 % of my gains ... Post cycle I keep at it and keep my daily supps and diet on point, which is where I credit the keeping of results. I am very disciplined. I also have the ability to get weekly blood work done so I can monitor that aspect.

It looks like I am going to be running ProStanivar along with trenazone on pulsed off days. Anyone not using DAA while on an oral cycle is missing out ... I up to 15 grams a day and am like an 18 yr old even though I am on cycle ... I normally run 5 gm/day while off. I respond well and it reall helps keep the shut down at a distance.

I had a few PM's askign about my supps diet and pulsing ... so here goes

My daily supps consist of:
Beta Alanine
Creatine Mono
Cit. Malate
Agmatine
AAKG
DAA
Alcar
Whey
BCAA
Xtend (prewo)
Flax
Maca
H Goat Weed
Fenugreek

On cycle the basics remain ... I up the DAA and Beta Alanine and Flax, drop the AAKG and add in:
Taurine
Hawthorne Berries
Cycle Support

PCT I continue to run all supps and add in:
Toremifine
Erase
DAA also continues at around 15 gm/day

As for Diet ... All I eat are all natual meat fish protein sources, canned tuna drained and rinsed of sodium, eggs/whites, and fruit's /vegetables. I carb cycle while off cycle so my only carb sources on low carb days are fruits veggies and dairy .... on load days it's steel cut oats, brown rice, yams, or whole wheat pasta in addition to fruits veggies and dairy MY diet is pretty boring to most but effective for me. While ON I usually aim for 300 - 400 carbs a day depending on what my body is saying and looking like. I take advantage of being anabolic while on usually doing cardio 6 mornings a week mostly HIIT. I hit the weights 4-5 nights while on then once into PCT cut back to 3 over the course of 3 weeks to avoid injury and burn out. Cardio also returns to the normal 4-5 morning a week. I always split cardio am and weights pm.
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Excellent brother. I am glad you have that all straight, good luck with your cycle
 
I use 15g while on cycle bc the Ms's gets cranky when she doesn't get her 3 or 4 doses of love daily so yes ... kinda trial and error to maintain the aggression levels and also verified in the weekly weekly labs ... It also really fuels some killer workouts nothing ridiculous abt it at all ... It works for my body and I listen ...
thanks for your insightful feed, hvac

and again my weekly labs show zeros issues ... while there have been studies that show long term over stimulation of the NMDA receptor can be exitotoxic there is also research that shows Dopamine protects against the exititoxicity ... hence the incusion of L-dopa in my daily supplement cocktail (in addition to its mood and sexually affects)

Ohhh and ummm the body also gets a nice flood of Dopamine after sexual activity and a good workout ... so one hand washes the other and its a wash as to the exitotoxicity. Also the use of alcar and my diet being high in antioxidant foods help reduce free radicals which also increases dopamine availability bc it isn't oxidized. SO for a guy who uses DAA while eating like **** and playing video games with his bros 24/7 instead of getting laid ... yah ... he might have issues of ridiculousness at 15g ... I use both while off cycle too, just not nearly as high a dose ... it has awesome all around benefits for me
 
R1187 said:
This is BS.

I'll use AAS whenever I want.

Sick of these self righteous people who think AAS can only be used after a certain age or length of training.

You think any pro bodybuilder waited until they were 30? LMAO.
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I used at 19 years old, no planned diet, and no training before hand. Took liquid Nolva as a PCT and lived. Blood test a month later everything was good, testosterone was back and I kept my gains. :)
 
Skinnydude93 said:
I used at 19 years old, no planned diet, and no training before hand. Took liquid Nolva as a PCT and lived. Blood test a month later everything was good, testosterone was back and I kept my gains. :)
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No diet, no training.
That's why your user name is skinny dude
 
Damn bro that's my point is you could have done that naturally with ease.. And avoided all that liver toxicity. And if someone here says a methylated oral sd is liver safe then I'm just ****ing done trying to help
 
aceroni said:
Damn bro that's my point is you could have done that naturally with ease.. And avoided all that liver toxicity. And if someone here says a methylated oral sd is liver safe then I'm just ****ing done trying to help
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No one would argue that. But it is completey recoverable, especially if you use UDCA ot TUDCA. I used UDCA, ran SD, Trenazone and H-drol (bridged SD into Trenazone & H-Drol) for 6 weeks total and took bloods day one of PCT and a week after PCT. Liver values came back fine. I have it well documented here: Invalid Link Removed

Keep in mind this was a few years ago. I'm so ashamed of how I looked then, lol. SO much better shape now.
 
fueledpassion said:
No one would argue that. But it is completey recoverable, especially if you use UDCA ot TUDCA. I used UDCA, ran SD, Trenazone and H-drol (bridged SD into Trenazone & H-Drol) for 6 weeks total and took bloods day one of PCT and a week after PCT. Liver values came back fine. I have it well documented here: Invalid Link Removed

Keep in mind this was a few years ago. I'm so ashamed of how I looked then, lol. SO much better shape now.
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Right I'm not disagreeing with you but no one should need to take hormones to get to 160lb HONESTLY.
 
aceroni said:
Right I'm not disagreeing with you but no one should need to take hormones to get to 160lb HONESTLY.
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I didn't even make it to 160 LOL... But, I did survive and only had lethargy with some acne on my shoulders.
 
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