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TheDarkHalf said:
Don't know much about these hormones (other than they come from your thyroid). Are they legal and what kind of synergistic effect could we expect to see in an ECA environment?
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I personally wouldn't use them during the ECA stack, BUT, they are thyroid hormones as you stated. T2 you can find I believe in some supps... 3&4 you would have to go research chem route, or black market.

If you monitor your vitals pretty often, then some low dose T2 with ECA might be worthwhile.

Adams
 
SAN has Thyrocuts 2, which is their version of T2. They also have something called T3 in the nutraplanet store.

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Looks like adding T2 to ECA may be worth it after all, just seems like one would have to determine a safe, but yet effective dosage.
 
TheDarkHalf said:
I think it's definitely doable, it just all depends on the individual. Always be sure to exercise caution.

I remember reading somewhere that for every 25mg of E you should be getting around 200mg of C - so I personally wouldn't want to take 50 of E and only 200 C, i'd suck it up and take 50 of E and 400 C. At which point, I think anyone no matter how stim tolerant you are would become extremely cracked out so to speak. I know i'd be wired like a mothertrucker.
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Im wired off of 400 mgs caffiene and 50 ephedrine as it is. Im laso taking lipoburn which has an ingredient that speeds up the ec effects by twice as much.

KgTomCat said:
you could cut on E in half, do 1 1/2 then increase it to 2 whole ones, just a thought
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Yup thats a good idea:wave2:
 
KgTomCat said:
what if I took Recreate during ECA...? or Lipo6X?
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I'd say be careful. Lipo 6x has synephrine and yohimbe, that would be pretty serious. Your appetite would be supressed like a motherf*cker....don't know what effect the yohimbe would have...but i've taken lipo 6x before and didn't experience any sides. If you try it, log it.

Can't speak to Recreate as USP is kind of shady with their labeling IMO, however their products are still very effective.
 
TheDarkHalf said:
I'd say be careful. Lipo 6x has synephrine and yohimbe, that would be pretty serious. Your appetite would be supressed like a motherf*cker....don't know what effect the yohimbe would have...but i've taken lipo 6x before and didn't experience any sides. If you try it, log it.

Can't speak to Recreate as USP is kind of shady with their labeling IMO, however their products are still very effective.
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I decided to hold off on the Lipo6X...Ive used it about 2 or 3 times, so Im giving the Recreate a try, Ive heard only good things. Im going to do this bottle, take a week off, then ECA again. And my appetite was non-existent on ECA, and I weighed 215 this morning, and Ive been gaining strength like never before :dunno:.....:swordfight:
 
I'm surprised that no one has mentioned adding L-tyrosine to their ECA stack. L-tyrosine is an amino acid used in the synthesis of adrenaline and noradrenaline.
 
TheDarkHalf said:
I'm surprised that no one has mentioned adding L-tyrosine to their ECA stack. L-tyrosine is an amino acid used in the synthesis of adrenaline and noradrenaline.
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does ephedrine deplete tyrosine levels?

I bought July Md issue yesterday and Justin Harris talks about tyrosine. I have yet to read it. I know for a fact it's a precursor to dopamine. I used to take it for a good while alone, pre-workout and it works for sure.

I used it the other day with my eca stack.


I know with all the protein i get in im getting in tyrosine and I dont know if its the same effect as tyrosine alone.

Ive been in quite a few threads on tyrosine , on this board,you could search for that probally have a lot of information in them. as I used to use it before intense training sessions to amp myself up.

its something I like to keep handy.
 
well....interesting read. It clearly states that A isn't needed, A only has a significant fat loss in obese subjects, also says that Y works better, is safer, and even if not obese, still a good amount of fat loss
 
That stack they propose is interesting. However, I'm going to continue with my ECA and add in the L-tyrosine to my dosing and see what happens.
 
I dont fully understand the purpose of adding L-tyrosine, all I got was something about neuro-transmitters
 
KgTomCat said:
well....interesting read. It clearly states that A isn't needed, A only has a significant fat loss in obese subjects, also says that Y works better, is safer, and even if not obese, still a good amount of fat loss
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I've read somewhere about the aspirin stopping a metabolic process that makes it slightly catabolic, but I just cant remember where I read it :dunno:.
I've read on here about people cycling on and off Eph, I read on PubMed that chronic use has shown increaced fat burning effects.
I want to try this out, but as I am going to go on a ph cycle soon I don't want my bp to be raised further :( so I am only going to use it for a few more weeks.
 
NJbreed said:
i wanta know too
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It is all about risk against reward... Y is useless unless on a specific diet. Studies have shown it to be useless. Aspirin modulate Prostaglandins and cAMP, prolonging the effects of ephedrine. Coupling Y and EC raises blood pressure and heart rate.

Watch your vitals.. plaque build up can happen quick if there BP and heart rate are elevated.
 
DAdams91982 said:
It is all about risk against reward... Y is useless unless on a specific diet. Studies have shown it to be useless. Aspirin modulate Prostaglandins and cAMP, prolonging the effects of ephedrine. Coupling Y and EC raises blood pressure and heart rate.

Watch your vitals.. plaque build up can happen quick if there BP and heart rate are elevated.
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I agree you must watch your vitals when you are stacking Y with EC, I always have a blood pressure monitor around for this reason.

as for the aspirin, it is a NSAID which are known to slow protein synthesis:
mindandmuscle.net/node/344

This article tells you:
-Post exercise protein synthesis still occurs, though to a lesser degree, even with chronic NSAID use. Hypertrophy should follow the same pattern.

-NSAID use is a viable therapeutic option for relief of DOMS related pain and should be considered when soreness alters level of activity in daily tasks—don’t suffer needlessly for the benefit of your biceps.

So basically using NSAID may not be the best if you are trying to maximize skeletal muscle retention while cutting.

Hence why I chose Y,
And i found it good !
 
smeton_yea said:
Ive asked this earlier in the thread . no-one said they did it. i dont see why it wouldnt be effective

has any person done 2 bronkaids in one dose?

some one wants to take four per day(50 mgs per dose) and they dose it two, twice daily.
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Yeah, I'm on week 2 of my cycle doing 50 mg upon waking and another 50 mg early afternoon.

I can tolerate stims well and I have a lot flesh to burn (currently at 6'2, 260)
 
boozehound said:
400 mg (2 No Doz)
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Those sort of doses for both caffeine and ephedrine aren't going to do your heart any favors.
Its recommended you take 24mg Eph with 250mg caffeine each time.
Even if you have 'alot to burn' more is not an approach that you should take.
Make sure you regularly take your blood pressure, and HR.
Take your HR during exercise too - I do 30mg Eph & 200mg Caffeine and my bp is nearly in the pre-hypertension zone, and my heart rate greatly increases doing weight.
 
manabolic...what do you mean by "2 weeks PCT, 2 weeks PCT & Salbutamol" why not just say PCT & Salbutamol

I know its off topic...j/w
 
KgTomCat said:
manabolic...what do you mean by "2 weeks PCT, 2 weeks PCT & Salbutamol" why not just say PCT & Salbutamol

I know its off topic...j/w
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Lol erm because I'm keeping 2 weeks off for blood pressure reasons then adding salbutamol ( I can't see what I have put at the moment as I'm on iPhone, using the mobile version of AM)
 
Thedarkhalf,Dadams91982-

I decided to give your Bronkaid instead of the hci a try and for results i feel the same and have the same effects as the hci so i have been the hci for years and with a compairison of the two the last week has been about the same as normal.I can agree that its pretty easy to go to walgreens and just get it i was picking up a med for my boy and was like **** ill give it a try...
 
point312 said:
Thedarkhalf,Dadams91982-

I decided to give your Bronkaid instead of the hci a try and for results i feel the same and have the same effects as the hci so i have been the hci for years and with a compairison of the two the last week has been about the same as normal.I can agree that its pretty easy to go to walgreens and just get it i was picking up a med for my boy and was like **** ill give it a try...
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Cool man glad to hear that worked out. 2 boxes of bronkaid should last you about 7-8 weeks if you follow my tapering up and down protocol.
 
boozehound said:
400 mg (2 No Doz)
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Themanabolic said it below. 400 mgs in one dose :nervous: yikes

so your taking 800 mgs every day?

Themanabolic said:
Those sort of doses for both caffeine and ephedrine aren't going to do your heart any favors.
Its recommended you take 24mg Eph with 250mg caffeine each time.
Even if you have 'alot to burn' more is not an approach that you should take.
Make sure you regularly take your blood pressure, and HR.

actually its 200 mgs caffiene with 25 ephedrine. Bronkaid were getting in 20 mgs

Take your HR during exercise too - I do 30mg Eph & 200mg Caffeine and my bp is nearly in the pre-hypertension zone, and my heart rate greatly increases doing weight.
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I had to reduce to one per day for the last two days I was feeling cracked out, not good sleep, irratable,....Ive slept better so dont be scared to go down if your feeling like its a bit too much to handle for a couple days.

TheDarkHalf said:
Cool man glad to hear that worked out. 2 boxes of bronkaid should last you about 7-8 weeks if you follow my tapering up and down protocol.
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yep


Tomorrow Im thinking of doing 1.5 bronkaid, staying with 200 caffiene twice per day...

Im also taking theophylline which speeds up ephedrine about twice as fast.

I was taking baby asprin twice daily but I dont want to take it anymore because once I started taking theophylline I started noticing sides(irratable) thats why I took a two day break.

Ill start back tomorrrow and see how it goes.
 
KgTomCat said:
wow. how long do you think its "ok" to run ECY? j/w your opinion...
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There is proof that running ephedrine chronically has an increased effect over running it periodically,
I don't really know that much about Y as I never have wanted to use it longer than a bottle, but as for EC I suppose you could use it for a few months, do research on it yourself, I don't mind experimenting with my own body but other peoples :28:
 
Yeah Smet, I did the 2 Bronks and 2 No Doz upon waking and early afternoon for a couple of days. Felt good, no sides, but finally got a big crash last night. I'll be backing off the stuff a bit, but do like the energy and effects (dropped 10 lbs in 2 weeks).

What's the theophylline? So that is similar to ephedrine or what?
 
what if I didnt wait until I was was finished with the Recreate, but started E for the last week, sort of like a bridge, just not with the C&Y
 
My "eca"

Eph - 2 day
Caf - 2 day
A-yoh - 2 day
Asprin - 2 day
clen - 60mcg
t3 - 25mcg
sometimes colleus
DNP - just 1 pill a 3-4 times a week max

So basically lower doses of everything
 
justreading said:
My "eca"

Eph - 2 day
Caf - 2 day
A-yoh - 2 day
Asprin - 2 day
clen - 60mcg
t3 - 25mcg
sometimes colleus
DNP - just 1 pill a 3-4 times a week max
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You're doing ECA, Clen, and T3 at the same time? That seems aggressive.
 
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