Save your money use ECA Stack

IRONPOPE said:
No fat burner is more effective than the ECA stack...or if u can stand it the ECY stack...so why waste money on fat burners that dont stack up...

i dont get it? none of them can touch the ECA..
if they could...they would be banned for fat loss just like Ephedra is
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Agree. I used ECAY(green stinger)+Keto. Really does work compare to clen
 
yea...on the low carb/keto issue, Im only going to eat carbs pre-WO, and those will be 1/4-1/2 cup of oats, and NO CHEATING
 
4 is my highest.

Im sensative to stimulants and they keep me up.

has anyone dosed 2 bronk's(50 ephedrine) with 200 caffiene. can one do this. id rather take two doses. for best results a person is not to take them less than 4 hours apart. i try to dose 4 hours apart and if I go any more than this I cannot sleep! does any one know what I mean or has done this?
 
its best to run it strait though. cycling off 2 weeks on and 2 off works well for Clen. Eca is a whole different thing and people got this mixed up
 
smeton_yea said:
its best to run it strait though. cycling off 2 weeks on and 2 off works well for Clen. Eca is a whole different thing and people got this mixed up
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I thought it was cycled to prevent rapid tolerance buildup? Or is tolerance building inevitable when on ECA?
 
DAdams91982 said:
The Y coupled with the E causes a baseline heart increase to a pretty good amount, and spiking blood pressure is an issue. The problem with those two things combined is the micro abrasions the extra pressure and increased rate of blood flow causes when cells strikes the artery walls, giving LDL a place to gain a foothold and build up extra plague at an early stage. With these factors, heart disease has a much more likelihood in the future.

Y gives you a mental boost because it speeds you up pretty good, and hurts the old appetite, it does nothing in the stack... you cannot even call it a stack. A stack is synergistic, this is just throwing a tin can on a fire to hear it crackle.

Adams
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Adams what do you think of ECA + Alpha-Y stack? Now that DSADE has alpha burn this is a real possibility and seems it would not cause the same HR and BP problems as the Y with E but I would love to hear your feedback?

Mr.50
 
Hey all, appreciate the active thread here.

Started the ECA cycle on Monday, and I'm here on Saturday having dropped 5 pounds (265 to 260) and on schedule with daily workouts (upper body/ HIIT).

Just ramped up to 2 Bronks, 2 No Doz, and 2 baby aspirins this morning with no sides. Curious...gradually in the next week or two should I be ramping up the E,C, and A past 4/4/4?
 
also, just so everyone knows, I had a little cortisol rebound when I went off of ECA, Im taking DHEA now, and its subsiding
 
SkinnyMinnie said:
The government just prefers to be totalitarian in banning them and not risk having people kill themselves with them, even though there are people who are sensible when they use them.
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and its a great thing that all people sensibly use cigarettes, or the government would ban them to. as long as we keep smoking deaths in the usa between 450,000-500,000 every single year, we know its totally sensible and people arent killing themselves that much as the ephedrine users who are just junkies and should be a crime.
 
This is a great video for coming off . He talks about it at the beginning

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Mr.50 said:
Adams what do you think of ECA + Alpha-Y stack? Now that DSADE has alpha burn this is a real possibility and seems it would not cause the same HR and BP problems as the Y with E but I would love to hear your feedback?

Mr.50
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I haven't seen any studies to support or defeat AlphaY + ECA. Honestly I am not on board with Alpha-Y, but I am not on board with Yohimbine either. To many factors make Y pretty useless in our uses besides transdermally.

Don't take this as a jab toward D's product, I am just not well versed in Alpha-Y, as the only things I have read with a strong defense has been put out by vendors. I am sure D has done his homework on it, so may be able to speak better on the subject of Alpha-Y + ECA.

be that said, to test things out, I would first gather a baseline. Take your BP 3 times per day... say First morning, mid day, and pre bed. Do that for a week to gather an average baseline of unadulterated BP. Then begin ECA for a few days, gathering the same data. Then add in your Alpha-Y, see if you see a rise in resting BP average. Also pay attention to your heart rate... obviously resting heart rate is important, but also gather the data of middle and post exercise... see how long it remains elevated post exercise. These data points are going to be the only way to see how the stack affects your vitals in the long run. I know it sounds like a pain, but better than the long run heart disease.

It can always be a pretty interest experiment overall as well. I used a blood glucose meter for some of these Insulin "Potentiators" or mimickers or whatever you want to call them... did the gamit of what is available.. and the funny thing... the only thing that really impacted my numbers in any way? Good old ALA (Of any isomer flavors R, K-R, Na-R)... the rest impacted my numbers pretty minimally.

Doing these little experiments really puts you in touch with your own body chemistry... really helped me decide what supps are junk, and ones stand out.

Adams
 
Derekb95svt said:
I love my ECA stack... just as effective as clen IMO
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Much safer as well... be it minimal or not, Heart necrosis has been shown in rats dosing clen.

Don't care if it hasnt been reproduced or not, or what doses they were on... just doesn't tickle my fancy as being worth it... I think i would rather be a bit heavier set!

Adams
 
DAdams, here is the thread I was talking about earlier supporting Y for better fat loss
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KgTomCat said:
DAdams, here is the thread I was talking about earlier supporting Y for better fat loss
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I have read that thread, and i believe you missed my point about risk vs. benefit. The risk vs. reward is just not there, and oral Y is a crappy way to stimulate lipolisys unless you are that magical area where the moon lines up with Jupiter.

A localized Y product stacked with ECA would be fine, and beneficial, but stimulating every receptor in the heart is just downright a stupid idea.

Adams
 
DAdams91982 said:
I have read that thread, and i believe you missed my point about risk vs. benefit. The risk vs. reward is just not there, and oral Y is a crappy way to stimulate lipolisys unless you are that magical area where the moon lines up with Jupiter.

A localized Y product stacked with ECA would be fine, and beneficial, but stimulating every receptor in the heart is just downright a stupid idea.

Adams
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I sort of agree but am giving alpha-y a shot because its cheap enough
 
question guys :

i am taking lipodrene which has

sida cordifolia ( 25mg ephedrine group alkaloids ), green tea extract ( 12.5mg caffeine group alkaloids ), YOHIMBE EXTRACT ( bark) ( 1mg yohimbine alkaloids), hydroxytriptophan, and a few other stuff in it

plus it has 100mg caffeine.


now for my question, i typically take one of these with a baby aspirin, a cup of coffee or two, and a pill or two of l arginine alpha ketogluterate. is that unsafe? i haven't seen any bad effects, but this discussion has made me wonder if there are any unseen effects on my heart.

im 22 and healthy btw.
 
soontobbeast said:
question guys :

i am taking lipodrene which has

sida cordifolia ( 25mg ephedrine group alkaloids ), green tea extract ( 12.5mg caffeine group alkaloids ), YOHIMBE EXTRACT ( bark) ( 1mg yohimbine alkaloids), hydroxytriptophan, and a few other stuff in it

plus it has 100mg caffeine.


now for my question, i typically take one of these with a baby aspirin, a cup of coffee or two, and a pill or two of l arginine alpha ketogluterate. is that unsafe? i haven't seen any bad effects, but this discussion has made me wonder if there are any unseen effects on my heart.

im 22 and healthy btw.
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it is pretty low on the Yohimbine, so that should not be a concern, I personally wouldnt dose Green Tea with the aspirin, one or the other. As for why they incorporate a mild CNS depressant I can only imagine is to mellow out the EC, but wouldnt trust it since it in and of itself has shown some heart valve issues... that and it is either up or down... not both.

Adams
 
so i can get away with not taking the aspirin even if it has that small amount of GTE in it?

will i lose any of the fat burning effects by getting rid of the aspirin?
 
soontobbeast said:
so i can get away with not taking the aspirin even if it has that small amount of GTE in it?

will i lose any of the fat burning effects by getting rid of the aspirin?
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Depends... what is the amount of GTE, and not just the caffeine content within the GTE?

Aspirin is the way to go overall... it has the effect on cAMP you are looking for, prolonging the life of ephedrine. That is why I advocate the ECA stack, none of the other fluff, cause really it is all just marketing in the long run.
 
i dont know how much GTE is actually in it.

stupid proprietary blend.

what i do know is that it has 557mg of stuff in the blend.

25mg is ephedrine ( 1st ingredient ), citrus aurantium ( 10mg synephrine ) and the GTE is the third ingredient.

so, i really am not sure lol. however, the plus side is i just found out that synephrine is in fact bitter orange.
 
justreading said:
How can GTE hurt?
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GTE can simulate aspirin in some facets, mixing the two can thin the blood quite a bit... some substitute GTE for Aspirin, but it does not provide the prostaglandin/cAMP activity that Aspirin does. So adding GTE does not add in any benefits, but can produce some unwanted effects. So I personally would just remain safe and leave it out for your ECA run. if you want the antioxidants, there are plenty of ways to add those in without the GTE.

Just more of a unnecessary risk... overblown... probably, but why tempt it without and added benefit?

you should not mix green tea and aspirin because they both prevent platelets from clotting. Using the two together may increase your risk of bleeding.
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Adams
 
another question :

when i first started taking my ECA stack about 7 weeks ago, when i would go to the gym i'd feel like i was on cocaine or something. extreme focus, completely deferred fatigue, increased strength,basically i felt like i could keep working out all day

now when i go i don't get that strong of effect anymore. i've taken two 5 day breaks in the past 2 months.

my question is, even if i am not getting that strong of a body high anymore, am i still getting the thermogenesis? if not, how long should i get off of the stack to make my tolerance go back down?

my two bottles have exp dates of august, so ive been trying to avoid taking breaks or i won't be able to get through them in time. given that info, please advise :)
 
soontobbeast said:
another question :

when i first started taking my ECA stack about 7 weeks ago, when i would go to the gym i'd feel like i was on cocaine or something. extreme focus, completely deferred fatigue, increased strength,basically i felt like i could keep working out all day

now when i go i don't get that strong of effect anymore. i've taken two 5 day breaks in the past 2 months.

my question is, even if i am not getting that strong of a body high anymore, am i still getting the thermogenesis? if not, how long should i get off of the stack to make my tolerance go back up?

my two bottles have exp dates of august, so ive been trying to avoid taking breaks or i won't be able to get through them in time. given that info, please advise :)
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The extreme energy tails off after time, but the chemical reactions are still in the works.

Adams
 
justreading said:
So do you think the a-yoh is a bad idea?
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I am not sure.. i am not well versed in the alpha... you can watch your vitals as I detailed out on the last page, and you can gauge for yourself. I know regular Yohimbine and ECA is a no-no, I dont know the effects on the CNS/BP/HR of the alpha product.

Adams
 
yeah the guy in the video talks about tapering down to a low dose and the low dose to nothing has effects.

yes when you come off your going to have side effects. so say im doing 3 per day...I go two the next week and one the next week..(If i really need it a half a dose since this is strong stuff) then nothing while keeping the caffiene for a couple more weeks with l-tyrosine then after caffiene iis tapered down keeping the tyrosine..

everythings going to have side effects theres no way around it..this just gets your body used to them. Everyone keep us updated on how you come off and how many weeks it takes to reduce dosage and come off. I'll keep everyone updated..and remember evety bodies different so that was a general outline some people may be able to quit cold turkey and others may need a full six- eight weeks to stop,depending on the dose, while everything in between. just take it easy coming down for a smooth landing you dont want a jerky nervewracking landing so treat the dosing that way on Eca.
 
smeton_yea said:
yeah the guy in the video talks about tapering down to a low dose and the low dose to nothing has effects.

yes when you come off your going to have side effects. so say im doing 3 per day...I go two the next week and one the next week..(If i really need it a half a dose since this is strong stuff) then nothing while keeping the caffiene for a couple more weeks with l-tyrosine then after caffiene iis tapered down keeping the tyrosine..

everythings going to have side effects theres no way around it..this just gets your body used to them. Everyone keep us updated on how you come off and how many weeks it takes to reduce dosage and come off. I'll keep everyone updated..and remember evety bodies different so that was a general outline some people may be able to quit cold turkey and others may need a full six- eight weeks to stop,depending on the dose, while everything in between. just take it easy coming down for a smooth landing you dont want a jerky nervewracking landing so treat the dosing that way on Eca.
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I'll be doing the same. I'm upping my dosage to 4 bronk, 4 no doze, and 4 aspirin tomorrow. After a week of that i'll be tapering down to 3 per day, then 2 per day, then 1 per day. That's probably the best and safest way to taper off without experiencing sides.....for each week on you should spend a week tapering off. My .02
 
Ive asked this earlier in the thread . no-one said they did it. i dont see why it wouldnt be effective

has any person done 2 bronkaids in one dose?

heres my problem Im sensative to stimulants in general and like to dose twice a day, preferally earlier, four hours apart.

example say a person wants to take 3 per day and they dose two upon awaking and one four hours later (each with 200 mgs caffiene)

or

some one wants to take four per day(50 mgs per dose) and they dose it two, twice daily.

its taken me three weeks just to get up to two per day and I feel it. I've never been a big stimulant user, untill a couple years ago, and even still the effects are heavy. I say if you get too stimmed out give it time to increase dose and learn how the body works

Dark has a good outline of 1/2/3/4/3/2/1 if your used to stimulants but I couldnt do it like that as it was my first timke this time using eca and I had to increase 0.5 doses.

My guess is it takes time for your body to go up and down and too sudden of a dose isnt the best thing , so if your not familar with eca and pay attention to how your body is reacting.
 
smeton_yea said:
I think your right..unless some one says its unsafe and proves it to do two BK's at once
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I think it's definitely doable, it just all depends on the individual. Always be sure to exercise caution.

I remember reading somewhere that for every 25mg of E you should be getting around 200mg of C - so I personally wouldn't want to take 50 of E and only 200 C, i'd suck it up and take 50 of E and 400 C. At which point, I think anyone no matter how stim tolerant you are would become extremely cracked out so to speak. I know i'd be wired like a mothertrucker.
 
guys if you really want to go ballz out,after 3 weeks of eca,add T2 hormone for the last 2 weeks,it will def get that last 6-8 lbs off.

I just started adding t2 a few days ago and I am soaked after 25min of walking on the tredmill.
 
skratch said:
guys if you really want to go ballz out,after 3 weeks of eca,add T2 hormone for the last 2 weeks,it will def get that last 6-8 lbs off.

I just started adding t2 a few days ago and I am soaked after 25min of walking on the tredmill.
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I am a big fan of T2... also T4... T3 is horrible.
 
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