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Gw44

Gw44

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Your thoughts on them? Worth the money? I'm currently trying to recomp a bit and wanted to know some opinions here.
 
S4 was definitely worth the money for me. I never leaned out so fast b4 on anything. The pumps and strength gains were great too.
 
Love osta; s4 is good for cutting but does have visual sides at higher dosing. LGD is great for bulking; gw is good for cutting but there is equivocal data about it being carcinogenic.
 
Mystere3 said:
Love osta; s4 is good for cutting but does have visual sides at higher dosing. LGD is great for bulking; gw is good for cutting but there is equivocal data about it being carcinogenic.
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What kind of cycle of it would you recommend for someone trying to cut and gain strength and muscle if possible.
 
Looking to cut Fat fast. Forget the gaining. Going to PCB In two months and have a few more percentages to drop. Would a SARM be okay to run with Clen and T3? Just need the anabolic to help keep my muscle.
 
honestly I'd run a combo of ostarine, s4, and GW and forget the clen/t3... Clen/T3 is pretty catabolic if you're not on AAS and has sides.

If you ran a 500 calorie deficit with those SARMS and worked out hard you should be able to shred quickly; 2-4% decrease in bf% could be accomplished with proper diet/nutrition depending what you're at now.

Gw44 said:
Looking to cut Fat fast. Forget the gaining. Going to PCB In two months and have a few more percentages to drop. Would a SARM be okay to run with Clen and T3? Just need the anabolic to help keep my muscle.
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Mystere3 said:
honestly I'd run a combo of ostarine, s4, and GW and forget the clen/t3... Clen/T3 is pretty catabolic if you're not on AAS and has sides. If you ran a 500 calorie deficit with those SARMS and worked out hard you should be able to shred quickly; 2-4% decrease in bf% could be accomplished with proper diet/nutrition depending what you're at now.
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Do I need a Pct?
 
Mini pct; you should be able to get by with OTC PCT with just osta. DAA and forma would be just fine IMO.
 
S4 is a little bit suppressive at higher doses, again not near as suppressive as an AAS, but i was recommended from a guy that knows his stuff to do a mini pct, here's the SARM cycle im about to do:

Weeks 1-8
Ostarine 25mg daily
S4 @ 50/50/60/60/70/70/70/70
LGD-4033 4/4/6/6/8/8/10/10

S4 can also cause blurry vision at higher doses, so watch at for that.

Weeks 8-9
Raloxifene 60/60
Unleashed/PCT
HcGenerate
Forma Stanzol

Again, the pct is a mini 2 weeker just to make sure. The HcGenerate is optional as the unleashed is a test booster as well. Or those can be exchanged.

Just from the articles and stuff ive read, don't completely take my word for it im NOT and expert my any means lol.
 
LGD is much more suppressive than the other SARMS. You def need a pct with that one.

Are you stacking this with epi? Or switching gears?
 
These sarms are too confusing. Lol. I think I'm honestly just gonna run some halo and some Clen/ECA. I read some harsh things about the S4. Not down for the vision blurring. Drive at night almost every night.
 
Honestly at 50 mg or less you shouldn't have visual sides.

In any case, You could run osta and gw and have better results than the stack your proposing with minimal suppression.
 
I love they guy who's against Clen/ t3 but for sarms. Sarms are research chemicals for a reason, there is no long term research to show what they do to u after 10 or 20 years. If I were u I'd run test/winny/t3 and Clen. Albuterol will work. I perfer a low dose of Clen. 50mcg Ed. With a low dose of t3z the work synergistically so u should get good results. Some people, including me in the past, run high dosages if the two but after using them both many times I find a low dose to be better. Less sides, I get less results but I'm not as worn out at the lower dosages. Really the Clen just helps me breath better so cardio is a breezy. T3 at 50mcg is about double ur natural production, winny at 100mg for 6 weeks, u'll love it. And test prop at 100-200mg eod.

I also run my Clen 6 weeks straight, and start keto week 3. Don't use Benadryl.

6 weeks everyday::
Clen 50mcg
T3 50mcg
Winny 100mg
Test 50-100mg Ed or 100-200mg eod
 
Clen has been shown to have negative effects, including causing heart attacks in otherwise healthy individuals. This guy was taking 40 mcg of clen... (It says 20 mg but spiropent is dosed in 20 mcg tabs)

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T3 isn't the compound used for thyroid replacement; that's t4 (levothyroxine) which is a significant weaker thyroid hormone. In the absence of AAS you'll definitely get muscle wasting with t3.

Osta, at least, has passed FDA phase I and II clinical trials, which are for demonstrating safety.

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Andarine (s4) has also received phase 1 approval and entered phase 2 in the mid 2000s.

Incidentally the company that developed osta and s4 (gtx) is the same company that made torem.

Gw is often called a SARM but isn't; it's a PPAR receptor agonist. It has a more equivocal safety profile than the other two but IMO is still likely safer than clen/t3.
 
Just my opinions I inject copious amounts of exogenous hormones in to my muscles. I'm okay with risk. I personally don't trust sarms yet. I've used osta and it didn't do much. Clen is not a safe substance but there is no way to pin point a heart attack to Clen alone. Albuterol is an option if ur uncomfortable with Clen. Ur body produces ~23mcg of t3 every day and taking above 12mg of t3 suppresses ur natural production. 50mg is roughly doubling it and won't require AAS. At least it didn't when I ran it at 50mcg with no AAS. But I would recommend it because it works well with them. T3 is also a nutrition partitioner. I know a lot of people swear by sarms and I can't say they are good or bad. If I could get some good data on s4, I would probably use it coupled with AAS. But I have yet to see anything that really convinced me of its effective ness. I don't really need to cut anymore I stay around 8-10% and can cut easily due to diet.
 
What ever u choose I always will recommend using some form of steroid. Even if it's a low dose of epi. The steroid allows u to drop cals way below norm with out worrying about losing muscle. That's the important part, low cals are what get u lean not a compound
 
Yes, they work (receptor agonists are actually really interesting). I would not advocate just running right in and stacking them (and I have ran pretty much all of them at different doses). S4 has a place, and it does cause visual sides for some (that do go away quickly thanks to the half life of the compound).

That said, Ostarine is the gateway SARM for most. It is not all that suppressive (compared to AS), low sides (no vision sides) and is overall good for recomp. Most people that dislike it, do so because they received bunk/underdosed Ostarine or they were expecting AS results. If you want very near AS results, LGD alone will do it. SARMs are new, there are more in development. Then you have other compounds like MK-677 (GH secretagogue) SR9011 etc. It is an exciting time, just read lab studies (no not peoples logs, the real lab studies), so you can make an informed decision. Lots of bro science out there, you can tell who is marketing, who is guessing and who actually knows what they are talking about.

As mentioned, PCT is relative. You should always have AI on hand and PCT ready. Treat SARMs like a light AS cycle and you'll be fine. Personally Ostarine does little in the way of suppression for me up to about 25mg. However LGD is noticeable after week 4 for me. Being non methylated, they aren't going to piss off your liver. Run labs before, a few weeks before the end and at the end of PCT. HcGenerate is a complete waste of money, most of us already know that, but if you are bleeding money and want to throw more of it at your PCT go for it.

EDIT: In reference to T3, your going to have a hard time preventing wasting even with SARMs. You will really be lessening the amount of lost muscle while on it, I would not expect true recomp. Now if you switch to albuterol, you could break even and have true recomp (my .02)
 
FeAddiction said:
Yes, they work (receptor agonists are actually really interesting). I would not advocate just running right in and stacking them (and I have ran pretty much all of them at different doses). S4 has a place, and it does cause visual sides for some (that do go away quickly thanks to the half life of the compound).

That said, Ostarine is the gateway SARM for most. It is not all that suppressive (compared to AS), low sides (no vision sides) and is overall good for recomp. Most people that dislike it, do so because they received bunk/underdosed Ostarine or they were expecting AS results. If you want very near AS results, LGD alone will do it. SARMs are new, there are more in development. Then you have other compounds like MK-677 (GH secretagogue) SR9011 etc. It is an exciting time, just read lab studies (no not peoples logs, the real lab studies), so you can make an informed decision. Lots of bro science out there, you can tell who is marketing, who is guessing and who actually knows what they are talking about.

As mentioned, PCT is relative. You should always have AI on hand and PCT ready. Treat SARMs like a light AS cycle and you'll be fine. Personally Ostarine does little in the way of suppression for me up to about 25mg. However LGD is noticeable after week 4 for me. Being non methylated, they aren't going to piss off your liver. Run labs before, a few weeks before the end and at the end of PCT. HcGenerate is a complete waste of money, most of us already know that, but if you are bleeding money and want to throw more of it at your PCT go for it.

EDIT: In reference to T3, your going to have a hard time preventing wasting even with SARMs. You will really be lessening the amount of lost muscle while on it, I would not expect true recomp. Now if you switch to albuterol, you could break even and have true recomp (my .02)
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As regards to binding to the AR, I'm currently on cycle and I really loved S4. I'm cutting so S4 would n great but would it even b worthwhile if I added it to my cycle? I mean I seriously never experienced shredding like I did til I tried S4. I was very pleased.
 
Do you log your cardio/lifts? By the 2nd/3rd week you should see a market improvement on paper. For me HIIT logging was the easiest to validate GW with.
 
Dr.Stri8ed said:
As regards to binding to the AR, I'm currently on cycle and I really loved S4. I'm cutting so S4 would n great but would it even b worthwhile if I added it to my cycle? I mean I seriously never experienced shredding like I did til I tried S4. I was very pleased.
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Dr how did you dose s4 previously?

Going to run a lgd-4033, gw, s4 stack in the next few months
 
rphash49 said:
Dr how did you dose s4 previously?

Going to run a lgd-4033, gw, s4 stack in the next few months
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50mg 5on/2off. Next time I will I will start higher. Currently I'm on test, tren and EQ so idk if it would help much lol. Its so cheap though if it will help then I will run it.
 
Half life is 4 hours so ideally you'd dose tid or w/e but most ppl don't have time for that; I think you'd be fine dosing 25 mg twice a day.
 
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