Running test vs orals in keeping the most gains post pct

[50Magnum]

So there are many people who've logs or bloodwork I've seen that rebounded eventually from running 250-500 mg of test e a week also keeping alot of gains and then there are logs I've seen where people ran orals by themselves and looked like they kept alot of gains/strength and recovered pretty much quickly after getting shut down while on cycle. So for people in general what did you see as more keepable gains when it came to orals vs Test; or orals & serms together vs say Test/Test & HCG? I know with Test E a problem that people face is the half life of it and how long it takes to get out of ones system causing one to take a longer recovery. 250-500mg of Test E for 12-16 weeks is much much harsher in terms of shutdown wise compared to say running TBol or Var(depending on dose) for 6-8 weeks and alot of people end up rebounding much faster in terms of testosterone production. The reason why I am so interested is for example I'm looking at so many sarm logs where people are stacking **** like S4, Yk-11, LGD, Rad, etc. and once they come off and pct their test levels jump right back up and running all these compounds would be more suppressive on the body or just as suppressive as say running Var, Tbol, Winny or Primo. While for people who take test some(if they ran more than 1-2 cycles beforehand) have a much much harder time recovering and sometimes if PCT didn't go well they would have to do another PCT or do Scalley's PCT protocol. Anyway would like to hear what people think regardless.

 

[Dthcore]

In for answers!!

 

[Renew1]

Well (like what was discussed in the other thread)...... a lot of the shutdown, and difficulty recovering doesn't have to do with the compounds. It is length of cycle. Some compounds do shutdown harder and quicker than others (like Trest).
But obviously, if you're talking about being shutdown for twice as long on an injectable cycle, that would be a major factor.

 

[Nac]

Jeepers, lots of variables to consider.

The obvious answer is: the less gainz you make on-cycle, the less you have to lose coming off. Yeah, cool story bro.

All things considered, Id assume generally an 8-12 week test cycle would make all the best compromises, or strike the best balance. Crudely, you wont blow the fuk up like with other drugs but youll still make nice gainz; youll be on long enough to establish a new set-point (a kind of Goldilocks period, not too short and not too long).

If my main concerns were hPTA recovery and keepable gainz Id stay the fuk away from any nandrolone and pretty much stick with test and var.

 

[BarryScott]

Regarding the sarm stacks, I think the fact there's so many logs with people bouncing back quickly is evidence that they're not as suppressive long term as some people think. People are definitely suppressed while on but fsh/lh seems unscathed enough to kick things back into gear as soon as the sarms clear. Lots of people aren't using serms post-cycle or even doing any pct at all (which I don't think it's a good idea necessarily) and still recovering without issue.