review my cycle plan....sd/epi/11 oxo.

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so, i have been planning out my summer cycle for some time now and i think i finally got it figured out now( for the most part)

First off, this is going to be a recomp cycle. Perhaps a little different from the norm though. Basically, Im goiing to use the Sd to kickstart my cycle with a Very CLEAN Bulk (clean is the key there). The 11 oxo should help in keeping Clean. Im gonna keep my Kcals(and carbs) up, but make sure im gaining Pure muscle and adjust my diet as i see fit. At the start of the Epi, im gonna increase my cardio- and likely decrease my kcals a bit too- and start more of a recomp/cut.
-i know most people might look at my cycle plan and say 4 weeks isnt long enough to do much of a recomp, but i have a really fast metabolism and can cut faster then the average person. also, i dont really have too much fat to cut. so 4 weeks should be sufficient for my goals, IMO.

Sd 20/20/20(or30)
Epi 0/ 0/ 30/40/40/40(or50)
11oxo 225-300mg for the 6 weeks

Life support preloaded 10 days or so, Tudca, and taurine, if needed.
-As always, ill also be taking multiVs, fish oil, flax oil, vit E, B complex, and plently of BCAA and Glutamine

Pct- Nolva 20/ 20/ 10 /10
+ supress C + test booster(not sure which one yet)+ vit E + life support.
- i also have Letro(ive had gyno issues with sd b4), but im not gonna use it unless i have to

-so now for my questions...
how does everything look?? Am i missing anything important??

I also have some clomid on hand. Would it help to add some of that in the beginning of Pct, or would that be overkill and not necessary??

and lastly...is taking the 11 oxo with the SD gonna take away from the strength/weight gain from Sd at all?? if so, should i hold off on the 11 oxo and just start it with the Epi?? That was my original thought, but most suggest 11 oxo for at least 6 weeks.

Please let me know any input/advice you may have. Thanks!
 
11-oxo worthless at that dosage. go for 600mg minimum for 6 weeks.
 
im not looking to make any gains(at all) from the 11 ox- thats what the sd and epi are for.
I just want the extra assistance with my cutting.

How about starting at 300 for the first two weeks then bumping up dosage when i bridge to the epi?

do you know...is taking the 11 oxo with the SD gonna take away from the strength/weight gain from Sd at all??
 
Why would it take away from your gains exactly? That makes no sense. How about you run it at 600mg for 6 weeks and enjoy the fact that it burns fat, instead of running it at 300 for any period of time and getting cortisol control.
 
First off gerbil is right, if ur not going to run it at the appropriate dose don't run it. Second I would start the epi and sd at the same time. First two weeks do a low dose . This is a pretty toxic cycle, I would consider run dzine instead of sd. But that's not really any less toxic. U could just run the dzine for 4 weeks and really solidify ur gains.
 
Or you could run a 6 week 11-oxo with 4 weeks of dimethazine at the end. I heard some awesome guy is currently running that.

csa2179 said:
First off gerbil is right, if ur not going to run it at the appropriate dose don't run it. Second I would start the epi and sd at the same time. First two weeks do a low dose . This is a pretty toxic cycle, I would consider run dzine instead of sd. But that's not really any less toxic. U could just run the dzine for 4 weeks and really solidify ur gains.
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This would be the smartest and safest way to run it. I believe I read that guy should be pounding bananas be cause he can't handle calf extensions
 
csa2179 said:
First off gerbil is right, if ur not going to run it at the appropriate dose don't run it. Second I would start the epi and sd at the same time. First two weeks do a low dose . This is a pretty toxic cycle, I would consider run dzine instead of sd. But that's not really any less toxic. U could just run the dzine for 4 weeks and really solidify ur gains.
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Stacking the Sd n Epi would make it much more toxic bro!
I agree that my plan rather harsh- after all, any cycle with SD in it is pretty harsh on the liver...but bridging(or pulsing) will certainly help the liver deal with two methylathed compounds.
 
Gerbil said:
Why would it take away from your gains exactly? That makes no sense. How about you run it at 600mg for 6 weeks and enjoy the fact that it burns fat, instead of running it at 300 for any period of time and getting cortisol control.
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Are you getting really good results at 600 mg?? Im assuming your cutting up pretty nicely. How far into your cycle are you??
Your probably right, if i run in at 300 mg ill regret later that i didnt run it higher. S*** is just so damn expensive.
 
Went well through the first week but second week **** went down hill I am going to be just running dimeth for the rest of my cycle, probably just a bad batch never heard of anyone having the same sides.


BeastMode 1 said:
Are you getting really good results at 600 mg?? Im assuming your cutting up pretty nicely. How far into your cycle are you??
Your probably right, if i run in at 300 mg ill regret later that i didnt run it higher. S*** is just so damn expensive.
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Yes I was running sp.
 
do you think the 11 ox at 600 mg will take an added toll on the liver(despite being nonmethylated) and too harsh to add to the sd/epi bridge??
 
11-oxo sound have little to no effect on the liver, compared to epi and sd it wont have any noticeable hepatoxicity.

BeastMode 1 said:
do you think the 11 ox at 600 mg will take an added toll on the liver(despite being nonmethylated) and too harsh to add to the sd/epi bridge??
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