Chimas
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Posthistory here on AM
it's been a while since my first post here on AM about SARMs - pretty much exactly 18 months.
In my first thread here ("Female: First cycle on Ostarine and Ligandrol, some open questions"), I had some basic questions, back then about Osta and Ligandrol, which I considered. After that, I decided to go for Osta only for one cycle and after that added RAD-140. I wrote a review about my second cycle overall including both, Osta and Rad-140, which you can find under "Female cycle on Ostarine and Rad-140 (Bloods included)". In the first thread, you can read a pretty detailed log about my first cycle with Osta including pictures of changes within my first cycle.
General things about me
Bloodwork (Basline/Peak cycle/8weeks past cycle)
June 2017 is baseline. September 2018 is 8weeks off SARMs and right before I started my last cycle with SARMs so far. With both, baseline and September 2018, I was in follicular phase.
Please note the comment section!!! Important info there about my testosterone levels...
Strenght
Picture from Fulghesu, A. (2002). N-acetyl-cysteine treatment improves insulin sensitivity in women with polycystic ovary syndrome. Fertility and Sterility, 77(6), 1128–1135. doi:10.1016/s0015-0282(02)03133-3
Resumee
What would I do differently? What do I regret?
Going to switch to something different now. I considered sticking with SARM for some more time after I took out the NAC and noticed that the nice effects came back. However, after knowing more about the effects of SARMs to females, I do not believe in the claim that they are explicitly female friendly anymore. Also, their legal status is not an argument anymore.
Show me those pics!
Yeah and I know that y'all look for those pics... well... there you go.
Messed up the back pose in the more recent pics.
Feel free to speculate whether this could have been done naturally or not. Really. I don't mind but also don't care, because frankly - we all don't know what would have been possible for me personally. I don't know how impressive or unimpressive my results are for that timeframe, strengthwise and physically, because I personally have not seen such a "long term" cycle report from a female (neither from a male, I think). One of the reasons to post here.
Hope this was informative. Let me know if you have any questions or I missed anything.
Posthistory here on AM
it's been a while since my first post here on AM about SARMs - pretty much exactly 18 months.
In my first thread here ("Female: First cycle on Ostarine and Ligandrol, some open questions"), I had some basic questions, back then about Osta and Ligandrol, which I considered. After that, I decided to go for Osta only for one cycle and after that added RAD-140. I wrote a review about my second cycle overall including both, Osta and Rad-140, which you can find under "Female cycle on Ostarine and Rad-140 (Bloods included)". In the first thread, you can read a pretty detailed log about my first cycle with Osta including pictures of changes within my first cycle.
General things about me
- Female
- 29 now
- Weight training for a little more than 5 years now
- BW at 71-73kg currently
- 165cm
- Obvious living somewhere where the metric system applies
- Workout at 6 days (4-split with heavy and "light" units with tons of volume), Cardio at 5-7 days
- No competitions so far, no plans to do so, neither bodybuilding nor powerlifting
- First cycle: 8mg Osta only
- Second cycle: 8weeks Osta 10mg ed, 6 weeks Rad-140 4mg ed
- Third to last cycle: 10mg Osta and 4mg Rad-140 ed for 8 weeks
- In between always 8-10 weeks off
- I believe an overall of 6 or 7 cycles
- TUDCA 500mg ed on-cycle, and 250mg ed until 2 weeks past cycle
- NAC 2*500mg starting mid 2nd cycle (please note my "comments section"! This is an important one!!)
- Omega-3 ed 3-4gr
- Krill oil 2g ed starting within the 4th cycle
- Beta-Alanin pre-workout 5gr starting 3rd cycle
- Non-stim pre-workouts
- In phases Alpha GPC, Huperzine A, Naringinin, Quadrulingus cissus - sorry I don't recall during which cycles exactly
- HMB 5gr ed
- Creatin 10gr ed
- Curcumin 2000mg ed
- Vitamin D e2d 2000iµ
- Multivit ed
- Zinc 25mg ed
- Magnesium 3-4gr ed
Bloodwork (Basline/Peak cycle/8weeks past cycle)
June 2017 is baseline. September 2018 is 8weeks off SARMs and right before I started my last cycle with SARMs so far. With both, baseline and September 2018, I was in follicular phase.
Please note the comment section!!! Important info there about my testosterone levels...
Strenght
- Went up very much during the first two to three cycles
- Was after that maintainable but did not increase noticably for squats (but for bench)
- Start Squat: 100kg (220lbs) * 5 reps / 3 sets @70kg (154lbs) BW
- End Squat: 125 kg (275lbs) *5 reps / 3 sets @ 71kg BW (156lbs) I typically don't max out squats
- Start Bench: 55kg (121lbs) * 5 reps / 5 sets @70kg and a 1RM of 65kg (143lbs) BW (started flat benching again in my second cycle, so pretty much in the beginning as well)
- End Bench: 80kg (176lbs) *3 reps @ 71kg BW (156lbs)
- I am still not a big dieter, as you can see. My eating is not bad, I would say, but I simply have appettite like a monster Don't tell me about clean-eating: I don't mind eating 500gr Oats with 300gr Whey at once for breakfast
- Lifestyle changes, illnesses and other training impacting factors:
- I quit smoking in September 2017 and did not start again ever since
- My eardrum was perforated in April 2018. I continued training high volume but was off heavy lifts for approx 3-4 weeks.
- I had a bike accident in July 2018 and surgery in August 2018 (not related to the accident, but shortly after). Both got me out of heavy training for approx 3-4 weeks (but I continued training high volume)
- Travel time was rather low and always off cycle.
- I might have missed an overall of 12-14 workouts in those 18 months.
- In my former posts, I described an immense increase in sex drive, well being, strength and quite some leaning out throughout the first two cycles along with some quite vivid dreams. I also did not have my menstruation anymore. All of those effects vanished slowly starting with the third cycle (although not changing brands and even still using the same bottle!).
- I initially blamed stress but got very very suspicious... I did not see a reason why this is happening. At the same time, I added quite some additional supplements as described above to my daily consume, including NAC. I did so, because Osta and Rad were brutal on my lipids, which I misinterpreted at that time and overrated completely. I was afraid that they could be harsh on my liver over time as well, although I had bloodwork coming back fine (from December 2017, see above - cycle peak!!).
- I never doubted that the things I was taking was legit!
- I stopped worrying about the vanishing effect and my constantly decreasing sex drive (also on-cycle!) and just thought "Nevermind... let's just switch to the "real stuff" once you finish the bottle".
- Only in the beginning of my last cycle, I came across an article where NAC is used to lower testosterone levels in PCOS women (see picture attached). In this article, they also show (see image from the study below!) that it also lowers testosterone levels in healthy adult women. By now, I am convinced that this is what happened to me. You can clearly see in my bloodwork from September 2018, that my testosterone was significantly lower than baseline (almost below reference!).
- I immediately stopped taking NAC (I was on-cycle that time). 2 weeks later, the "on-feeling" came back again like in my first cycle. I did not get my menstruation. Strength went up.
- I am going to have a final bloodwork done in February before I start actual AAS. I am excited to see what my testosterone levels look like then. By then I will be off NAC for a good 4 months and off sarms for 12 weeks, which should be a decent time to recover my own test levels.
- On the other handside, I am also pretty confessed that NAC saved me from any signs of virilization. I did not experience anything. I have read quite some logs by now, and I think it is very likely that virlization would normally occur during cycles of that length and with that frequency because of the severe SHBG suppression.
Picture from Fulghesu, A. (2002). N-acetyl-cysteine treatment improves insulin sensitivity in women with polycystic ovary syndrome. Fertility and Sterility, 77(6), 1128–1135. doi:10.1016/s0015-0282(02)03133-3
Resumee
What would I do differently? What do I regret?
- Taking NAC!!
Without any reason in bloodwork, but simply proactively to prevent any damage (that was even provingly not there!)! - Research
I normally am very careful with my research and well aware that women work differently than men. I however trusted everything I read about NAC without doing research on the specific effect on women. That was a mistake. - Nutritional experiments
I dont think I can ever leave that be (check out my first post here on AM for details) but I tend to do very stupid things every now and then. I think I did that 3 times during my cycles, including several WEEKS on 600kcal taken in purely via shakes. Please don't ask for reasons... It is... complicated...
Going to switch to something different now. I considered sticking with SARM for some more time after I took out the NAC and noticed that the nice effects came back. However, after knowing more about the effects of SARMs to females, I do not believe in the claim that they are explicitly female friendly anymore. Also, their legal status is not an argument anymore.
Show me those pics!
Yeah and I know that y'all look for those pics... well... there you go.
Messed up the back pose in the more recent pics.
Feel free to speculate whether this could have been done naturally or not. Really. I don't mind but also don't care, because frankly - we all don't know what would have been possible for me personally. I don't know how impressive or unimpressive my results are for that timeframe, strengthwise and physically, because I personally have not seen such a "long term" cycle report from a female (neither from a male, I think). One of the reasons to post here.
Hope this was informative. Let me know if you have any questions or I missed anything.