Resveratrol and grape seed extract, anyone used these with success?

[Jj1991]

Morning lad's just a quick one to be fair but I don't have it in me to not a write long winded post. Ive run adex at 0.5mg E3D on my first cycle of 500mg test years ago and it ruined the first 4-5 weeks I had dry skin all around my face and hands, **** sex drive(far worse than off cycle), achy joints and felt weak as hell, I was really confused I thought my test was bunk dropped the adex and within 4-5 days all of that went away and I felt amazing. I've run 800mg test enanthate with no AI and didnt really suffer estrogenic side effects. I've recently had bloods done after 6 years away from steroids and my estro is a touch high.

I've been through my results with whisky which I greatly appreciated and he pointed out my estro is slightly high because my testosterone is still fairly high.

I don't want the same estro killing effects of adex and I haven't tried aromasin either but I'm pondering if resveratrol and grape seed extract would maybe notch it down a touch without anything too drastic?

I only plan on using 300mg test in my proposed cycle so I can't see estro getting too out of hand but if I could notch it down without it destroying my cycle it would be nice.

My results are posted below for anyone interested.

Thanks for any input.

 

[Jj1991]

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[Jj1991]

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[KvanH]

Didn't check the pics (sorry, lazy). But as to your 300 mg test cycle and E control, you don't know yet if you'll need an AI at all. You can use pharma AI, but just dose it lower/less frequently. Monitor sides and dose 12.5 mg of Aromasin when feel the need and keep monitoring and dose again, if needed. You should see a pattern for the need and then you can go on to dose 12.5 mg once a week or twice a week or what ever dosing scheme seems to work. Bloodwork would tell best.

If you want to use some milder otc AI, then things to try could be Virtus and Arimahex. I don't think resveratrol or grape seed would do much. If wanting to use resveratrol, then you could have better luck with Sustain Alpha as it has 7,8 Benzoflavone (an AI) to go with the resveratrol.

 

[Jj1991]

Didn't check the pics (sorry, lazy). But as to your 300 mg test cycle and E control, you don't know yet if you'll need an AI at all. You can use pharma AI, but just dose it lower/less frequently. Monitor sides and dose 12.5 mg of Aromasin when feel the need and keep monitoring and dose again, if needed. You should see a pattern for the need and then you can go on to dose 12.5 mg once a week or twice a week or what ever dosing scheme seems to work. Bloodwork would tell best.

If you want to use some milder otc AI, then things to try could be Virtus and Arimahex. I don't think resveratrol or grape seed would do much. If wanting to use resveratrol, then you could have better luck with Sustain Alpha as it has 7,8 Benzoflavone (an AI) to go with the resveratrol.

Well I'm unsure if I'll need an AI yet I never used one after my first cycle and got on fine but my thought process was if it's rather high naturally then when I starting injecting testosterone I'm assuming it will increase even more so, it's still in range but not far from been high.
I may not suffer sides from it at all I was just curious if anyone had used something weaker like GSE or resveratrol to notch down their estro ideally I wanted to stay away from adex or aromasin. I'm going to do some reading on virtus and arimahex now I can't say I've come across them.

Thank you

 

[cheftepesh1]

Didn't check the pics (sorry, lazy). But as to your 300 mg test cycle and E control, you don't know yet if you'll need an AI at all. You can use pharma AI, but just dose it lower/less frequently. Monitor sides and dose 12.5 mg of Aromasin when feel the need and keep monitoring and dose again, if needed. You should see a pattern for the need and then you can go on to dose 12.5 mg once a week or twice a week or what ever dosing scheme seems to work. Bloodwork would tell best.

If you want to use some milder otc AI, then things to try could be Virtus and Arimahex. I don't think resveratrol or grape seed would do much. If wanting to use resveratrol, then you could have better luck with Sustain Alpha as it has 7,8 Benzoflavone (an AI) to go with the resveratrol.

I’ve never seen anything from grape seed and little from resveratrol. As an AI I would agree that lighter sustain would be great. Also helps with libido. For something more flexible that can be stronger Virtus is the way to go. Virtus can be increased and decreased depending on need.


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[Jj1991]

I’ve never seen anything from grape seed and little from resveratrol. As an AI I would agree that lighter sustain would be great. Also helps with libido. For something more flexible that can be stronger Virtus is the way to go. Virtus can be increased and decreased depending on need.


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I've been reading a little on vitrus and from what I can gather it seems decent but I've seen a few places suggesting that it shouldn't be run longer than 8 weeks...? I'm assuming this is if you're not on steroids? I don't even know if I will need it I don't want anything that's potent that could lead to overkill I was looking for the weakest effective ai to be honest. Maybe 0.5ml or 0.25ml of vitrus could be the way forward. I've yet to look at sustain.

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[cheftepesh1]

I've been reading a little on vitrus and from what I can gather it seems decent but I've seen a few places suggesting that it shouldn't be run longer than 8 weeks...? I'm assuming this is if you're not on steroids? I don't even know if I will need it I don't want anything that's potent that could lead to overkill I was looking for the weakest effective ai to be honest. Maybe 0.5ml or 0.25ml of vitrus could be the way forward. I've yet to look at sustain.

Thanks for the discount code dude!

I personally do not use steroids. But Virtus gives the flexibility you will want. You can dose as little as .25ml if you choose and will still be effective.

 

[BBiceps]

Where dose it say your E is high? From what I saw it’s within range..?

 

[nostrum420]

You could try Resveros (Triacetyl Resveratrol TD)

 

[Jj1991]

Where dose it say your E is high? From what I saw it’s within range..?

It doesn't say it's high mate your right, but it states that it claims to be healthy between 0-190 and I'm essentially at 160 so I'm not too far away from been high, maybe you could say it's above average estro levels?

Unsure if I'm overthinking to be honest but im just looking for something to lower it slightly but not kill it. I'm also assuming that once I'm running test chances are it will go out of range and like I said I was looking for other routes to lower it rather than use adex or aromasin. I've never used aromasin but when I used adex at 0.5mg e3d it killed my estro altogether when using 500mg of test so I'm assuming using adex with 300mg will have the same result.

I'm also interested in lowering my estrogen but maintaining my current test levels for when I'm not on gear, it may result in me appearing leaner.

 

[Jj1991]

You could try Resveros (Triacetyl Resveratrol TD)

I'll have a look into that, thank you

 

[KvanH]

It doesn't say it's high mate your right, but it states that it claims to be healthy between 0-190 and I'm essentially at 160 so I'm not too far away from been high, maybe you could say it's above average estro levels?

Unsure if I'm overthinking to be honest but im just looking for something to lower it slightly but not kill it. I'm also assuming that once I'm running test chances are it will go out of range and like I said I was looking for other routes to lower it rather than use adex or aromasin. I've never used aromasin but when I used adex at 0.5mg e3d it killed my estro altogether when using 500mg of test so I'm assuming using adex with 300mg will have the same result.

I'm also interested in lowering my estrogen but maintaining my current test levels for when I'm not on gear, it may result in me appearing leaner.

Do you have any unwanted symptoms of high E2? If not, then lowering it just because it measures high doesn't really make sense. Especially when you're still in range. Estrogen is needed and is anabolic itself and so on. It's also about the relation between androgens and E levels and not just the normal ref ranges. If your T levels are way above the ref range, like they are when you run test, the E2 can be let float above range aswell, as long as no high E symptoms occur.

Also about the pharma AI use: like I already said in my previous post, you can moderate your E2 levels with the dose and dosing frequency with the AI's. You won't allways crash your E, when you introduce an AI. It's not zero or no control. You can moderate and find out the sufficient AI intake to keep it where you want it.

 

[Beau]

I recently started using a home-concocted (and terrible tasting) mix of GSE, resveratrol, green tea extract, quercetin and cocoa powder - which I take after meals. Other than concluding that it tastes like absolute garbage, it is too soon to draw any other conclusions. I am taking this for phenol-related benefits (including anti-inflammatory and antioxidant), not estrogen management.

 

[nostrum420]

I'll also throw in that the active ingredient in Arimahex (6-OXO TD) was shown to increase androgen levels and improve T/E ratios without totally crushing estrogen levels. The study was done on healthy human male weightlifters as well:

Effects of eight weeks of an alleged aromatase inhibiting nutritional supplement 6-OXO (androst-4-ene-3,6,17-trione) on serum hormone profiles and clinical safety markers in resistance-trained, eugonadal males

The purpose of this study was to determine the effects of 6-OXO, a purported nutritional aromatase inhibitor, in a dose dependent manner on body composition, serum hormone levels, and clinical safety markers in resistance trained males. Sixteen males ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

 

[BBiceps]

Unsure if I'm overthinking to be honest but im just looking for something to lower it slightly but not kill it.

You are, my Estro was about the same last time I checked and I’m not worried at all and neither is my Dr, you need E.

 

[GreenMachineX]

I recently started using a home-concocted (and terrible tasting) mix of GSE, resveratrol, green tea extract, quercetin and cocoa powder - which I take after meals. Other than concluding that it tastes like absolute garbage, it is too soon to draw any other conclusions. I am taking this for phenol-related benefits (including anti-inflammatory and antioxidant), not estrogen management.

Have you noticed anything from this stack? I've recently began 600mg trans-resveratrol and it's definitely doing something. Energy is up, achy all over and joints cracking as if my e2 has dropped.

 

[Nac]

Grape seed extract has a potential impact on estrogen? Didn't know that. I take 250mg, have for a year, for the cardiovascular benefits. Interesting.