Recommend me a mild cycle !

[Habs1123]

Good afternoon folks,

I’ve been out of the game for a year or so and looking for a mild cycle to get back into the dark waters. Currently workout 4-5 times per week but feel I’ve hit a wall. 27 years old 6ft 202 would something like Super-DHEA be a good bet ?

Previous experience is with Sarms only and Mk-677. I’ve ran 3 Osta cycles and 1 LGD cycle with solid results but noticeable shutdown on all of them.

 

[Arkm2]

How about a basic Test-e cycle? You can get really good results with that

 

[Whisky]

If you don’t want to pin then a 1/4/epiandro stack for 8 weeks is a solid mild run from what I’ve read (it’s why I’m currently running it as my first cycle)......logging it in cycle logs if you want all the supports and pct info.....

 

[Habs1123]

If you don’t want to pin then a 1/4/epiandro stack for 8 weeks is a solid mild run from what I’ve read (it’s why I’m currently running it as my first cycle)......logging it in cycle logs if you want all the supports and pct info.....

Thank you - I’ll take a look at that. Not really interested in pinning yet. Another issue I have is getting my hands on what’s needed for a proper pct. In the past I’ve used Super-PCT and Rebirth for my PCT. I know it’s not ideal but it’s just me working with what I can get.

Anyone have any thoughts on OL UK’s Super 19? Maybe run it with MK677 for 8 weeks ? I like the idea of mild sides and the fact it states that it’s easy on the hairline.

 

[Whisky]

Thank you - I’ll take a look at that. Not really interested in pinning yet. Another issue I have is getting my hands on what’s needed for a proper pct. In the past I’ve used Super-PCT and Rebirth for my PCT. I know it’s not ideal but it’s just me working with what I can get.

Anyone have any thoughts on OL UK’s Super 19? Maybe run it with MK677 for 8 weeks ? I like the idea of mild sides and the fact it states that it’s easy on the hairline.

Get a proper pct (serm - clomid or nolva) before running anything suppressive mate.....most cycles that do anything will be so I’d get onto that if I were you. If your in the states and you have a research pet then I believe PRE (board sponsor) have clomid for research purposes, I’m in the U.K. and managed to sort easier than I thought using google.....

Good luck op

 

[APC80]

Thank you - I’ll take a look at that. Not really interested in pinning yet. Another issue I have is getting my hands on what’s needed for a proper pct. In the past I’ve used Super-PCT and Rebirth for my PCT. I know it’s not ideal but it’s just me working with what I can get.

Anyone have any thoughts on OL UK’s Super 19? Maybe run it with MK677 for 8 weeks ? I like the idea of mild sides and the fact it states that it’s easy on the hairline.

You'd be better going with this than 1/4 andro, I've seen lots on here having to quit cycles early because of the lethargy and sides and those that carry on despite this seem to be generally unhappy with underwhelming results. The fact that they're really the only prohormones available in the US company's seem to be pushing them and overstating the results you can expect.

Imo you should consider ordering from the UK as there's still good stuff that's not banned(yet)

 

[FRITZBLITZ]

I think youll be dissapointed in any andro stack. for the suppression and $ they are not good.

i recommend getting some HALO from either predator nutrition [good site sponsor] or go with german pharmaceuticals halo.
add OL ARIMACARE, an AI like aromasin, fish oil, liver+ and lipid+
and get a SERM PCT from a RC site with good reviews like predator

 

[Habs1123]

You'd be better going with this than 1/4 andro, I've seen lots on here having to quit cycles early because of the lethargy and sides and those that carry on despite this seem to be generally unhappy with underwhelming results. The fact that they're really the only prohormones available in the US company's seem to be pushing them and overstating the results you can expect.

Imo you should consider ordering from the UK as there's still good stuff that's not banned(yet)

Thanks - thoughts on what I could expect from this cycle as far as shutdown from the Super-19? Should I expect a crushed libido similar to what LGD did to me ?

 

[BigVis]

prohormones etc will all suppress your natural production, there is no way around this. i would really consider going with a basic test-e cycle, much better.

you said the reason you dont want to pin is because you are unable to find a proper pct? that has to be an excuse lol, they are very easy to find if you want to find them

 

[Habs1123]

prohormones etc will all suppress your natural production, there is no way around this. i would really consider going with a basic test-e cycle, much better.

you said the reason you dont want to pin is because you are unable to find a proper pct? that has to be an excuse lol, they are very easy to find if you want to find them

Sourcing test and I haven’t really done my research on pinning or anything is the issue. Looking to dip my toes in after a couple years.

 

[APC80]

Thanks - thoughts on what I could expect from this cycle as far as shutdown from the Super-19? Should I expect a crushed libido similar to what LGD did to me ?

Don't know much about it, tbh I've done 2 PH cycles, epistane then msten/trenavar and on the latter I didn't feel shut down at all and its far stronger than epi which made my nuts shrink and libido disappear. You don't know how your body will react to different compounds.

 

[FRITZBLITZ]

Don't know much about it, tbh I've done 2 PH cycles, epistane then msten/trenavar and on the latter I didn't feel shut down at all and its far stronger than epi which made my nuts shrink and libido disappear. You don't know how your body will react to different compounds.

my labIdo disapeares on every cycle I do It is annoying as fukk, I wake up with raging morning wood and brain thinks ahh no time to fukk my girl, I'm more into pinning but when on a oral kick I don't lose labido as much. but it still is less than my natty state.

Msten/trenivar was similar to a cycle Halo/Trenavar that I want to run. How were your gains? sides? mood/energy? and what doses did you take?

 

[TheMovement]

We have a board sponsor here PRE that has gotten some good feedback on their research chemicals. Subjects seemed to do great from the researchers notes. Worth looking into

 

[netflixNchill]

^ this right here

They have sarms and a few other interesting chemicals that would be interesting to research with, but keep in mind they aren't for you to take yourself

 

[APC80]

my labIdo disapeares on every cycle I do It is annoying as fukk, I wake up with raging morning wood and brain thinks ahh no time to fukk my girl, I'm more into pinning but when on a oral kick I don't lose labido as much. but it still is less than my natty state.

Msten/trenivar was similar to a cycle Halo/Trenavar that I want to run. How were your gains? sides? mood/energy? and what doses did you take?

I loved it mate, mood went down the pan a wee bit towards the end but nothing too bad. No real sides, capsules I had were 20mg trenavar 5mg msten. Started on 2 caps a day and ended with 5. Put on 20lbs in 6 weeks everything just thickened up which I put down to the trenavar and got some great vascularity. Strength went thru the roof and I actually kept getting stronger after PCT. Didn't feel any suppression really, no lethargy or anything.

 

[Glycomann]

Semi legal grey area mild cycle. I have used all of these and have had no side effects although I don't know what the bloodwork would look like but I would say 8-10 weeks of something like this would be fairly benign.

GHRP-2 200 mcg twice a day morning 20 min before meal and before bed
Ostarine 40 mg/d
Ligandrol 20 mg/d

PCT
Clomid 50 mg/d for 21 days

With clean diet and solid training I would expect recomposition and maybe 5 lbs of lean mass gain if you spent the money for a Dexa Scan.

 

[FRITZBLITZ]

I loved it mate, mood went down the pan a wee bit towards the end but nothing too bad. No real sides, capsules I had were 20mg trenavar 5mg msten. Started on 2 caps a day and ended with 5. Put on 20lbs in 6 weeks everything just thickened up which I put down to the trenavar and got some great vascularity. Strength went thru the roof and I actually kept getting stronger after PCT. Didn't feel any suppression really, no lethargy or anything.

thats awesome . what brand trenavar and how much did you spend? I already have the halo and ancilliaries just need the var
im surprised this type of cycle isn't used much , a medium stregnth methyl and trenavar seems like a good match. glad u got good results

 

[APC80]

thats awesome . what brand trenavar and how much did you spend? I already have the halo and ancilliaries just need the var
im surprised this type of cycle isn't used much , a medium stregnth methyl and trenavar seems like a good match. glad u got good results

German Pharmaceuticals, I actually used their megatren which is msten/trenavar but they do trenavar as well. I'm surprised you don't see msten and trenavar stacked but these were getting great reviews so I decided to give it a go.


You gonna log your run? You should get good results seeing you've got them separate, I would've liked to work up to 120mg trenavar at least but was sort of limited by the dosing in the capsules as I didn't wanna go over 25mg msten in case my it caused issues with the liver and whatnot.

 

[ericos_bob]

+1 for halodrol

 

[FRITZBLITZ]

German Pharmaceuticals, I actually used their megatren which is msten/trenavar but they do trenavar as well. I'm surprised you don't see msten and trenavar stacked but these were getting great reviews so I decided to give it a go.


You gonna log your run? You should get good results seeing you've got them separate, I would've liked to work up to 120mg trenavar at least but was sort of limited by the dosing in the capsules as I didn't wanna go over 25mg msten in case my it caused issues with the liver and whatnot.

so i checked out GP and they have 5 products with the same write-up; trenavar, trenavol XT, and megatren. Back in the day they made a product called "tren" [Estra-4,9,11-Triene-3,17-Dione] and was later called trenavar. Next you have trenavol xt [5a-Androstan-3b-ol-17-one] and when searched looks like a bastard of m1t. Next you have megatren which looks like M-sten and dien-dione. Nest they have tren10? and next is trenstane which is supposed to be like the original "spawn"/epi-tren

I know GP is g2g but i dont know what to buy except not buying megatren and have 2 methyls. i hate when companies like hi-tech just start calling crap superdrol or m1t for whatever sawdust they put in.

 

[APC80]

Think their trenavar is the same as megatren without the msten so you're prob better going with that so you can use a higher dose. The problem with the MT is the fixed dosage per cap. The trenavar is 20mgx60 so you really need 2-3 bottles for a decent run depending how long you're going for but I they do a triple tren stack that works out a bit cheaper iirc.

If I ever do another PH cycle I'll run trenavar for 8 weeks maybe stack it with a methylated compound for the first 4-6. May even get 3 bottles of megatren and a bottle or two of trenavar and run the trenavar for an extra 2 weeks.

Aye I know what ya mean about companies like hi-tech misleading people with the names. Calling products superdrol and dianabol is a joke and surely just brings unwanted attention to their products. Very unprofessional imo.

 

[APC80]

so i checked out GP and they have 5 products with the same write-up; trenavar, trenavol XT, and megatren. Back in the day they made a product called "tren" [Estra-4,9,11-Triene-3,17-Dione] and was later called trenavar. Next you have trenavol xt [5a-Androstan-3b-ol-17-one] and when searched looks like a bastard of m1t. Next you have megatren which looks like M-sten and dien-dione. Nest they have tren10? and next is trenstane which is supposed to be like the original "spawn"/epi-tren

I know GP is g2g but i dont know what to buy except not buying megatren and have 2 methyls. i hate when companies like hi-tech just start calling crap superdrol or m1t for whatever sawdust they put in.

Search "megatren results" and you'll find my thread I posted with before n after pics the stuff really thickened out my whole body particularly my back and shoulders. As a naturally skinny guy I was very happy about that lol

 

[FRITZBLITZ]

Search "megatren results" and you'll find my thread I posted with before n after pics the stuff really thickened out my whole body particularly my back and shoulders. As a naturally skinny guy I was very happy about that lol

if you still have a bttl can you type in the chem name for the m-sten and trenavar??? i think youre right but im looking for [Estra-4,9,11-Triene-3,17-Dione] which at 60-80mg is very effective for a non-methyl hormone. anything else would be a false trial.

i also intend to run the trenavar longer than halo, haven't made up my mind since it was 6-8 years from my last run of halo

GP seems to interchange trenavar and tren10. im assuming this is to stay ahead of any banns since trenavar has squeeked by multiple banns

 

[APC80]

Yes mate still have a bottle it's 20mg estra-4,9,11-triene-3,17-dione, 5mg 2,17a-dimethyl-17b-hydroxy-5a-androst1-en-3-one per capsule.

I'd say it definitely converts to trenbolone not the weaker trendione as the strength and vascularity were amazing.

 

[APC80]

If you look at those pics you can see the veins popping in my arms, also my shoulders but the pics are at a bad angle they aren't the best but I couldn't be bothered arsing about. The nutrient partitioning was ridiculous I was stuffing my face with crap on top of my normal diet, hunger was just through the roof I was just craving high GI carbs all day even after eating a big meal and didn't gain much fat. Was able to do volume that would normally cripple me as well.

 

[FRITZBLITZ]

If you look at those pics you can see the veins popping in my arms, also my shoulders but the pics are at a bad angle they aren't the best but I couldn't be bothered arsing about. The nutrient partitioning was ridiculous I was stuffing my face with crap on top of my normal diet, hunger was just through the roof I was just craving high GI carbs all day even after eating a big meal and didn't gain much fat. Was able to do volume that would normally cripple me as well.

yah you got really good results bro. i'm designing this cycle for beginning next year and im still deciding the length of the orals. have you ever ran halo?

 

[APC80]

yah you got really good results bro. i'm designing this cycle for beginning next year and im still deciding the length of the orals. have you ever ran halo?

No I've never ran halo the only other cycle I've done is 5 week epistane a while back and wasn't very impressed. It was my first tho and I made a lot of mistakes the worst one being starting a cut right after PCT and lost everything I gained plus some lol

How would halo compare to epistane?

 

[FRITZBLITZ]

No I've never ran halo the only other cycle I've done is 5 week epistane a while back and wasn't very impressed. It was my first tho and I made a lot of mistakes the worst one being starting a cut right after PCT and lost everything I gained plus some lol

How would halo compare to epistane?

they are apples and oranges. halo is the 1 methyl that is very easy on the liver but has mid-great results. it has a 26 hour active life compared to 6-10 on all other orals. its a lean bulker that some ppl ran as long as 12 weeks . i like epi, but it has its plase as a complimentary cutter& and ant-e. you want to run epi at the end of a big bulk.

 

[APC80]

they are apples and oranges. halo is the 1 methyl that is very easy on the liver but has mid-great results. it has a 26 hour active life compared to 6-10 on all other orals. its a lean bulker that some ppl ran as long as 12 weeks . i like epi, but it has its plase as a complimentary cutter& and ant-e. you want to run epi at the end of a big bulk.

That's one of the mistakes, I tried to use it for bulking but I've only seen people get good results from it on a cut or recomp. May give halo a try some time to see how I react to it.

 

[FRITZBLITZ]

That's one of the mistakes, I tried to use it for bulking but I've only seen people get good results from it on a cut or recomp. May give halo a try some time to see how I react to it.

yah i ran epi 2 times finishing a bulk and its great for drying out any wet gains and ppl dont realize that the body puts out more aromatase as your cycle gets longer so it really only needs to be ran after 4+ month IM blast.

if you have a healthy lifestyle ,i would give m-drol a try. its a superdrol clone, superdrol is my favorite oral. it turns you into a beast in gains, stregnth , and feeling/mood. i wud take it just for the feeling. its like you can pick up a train and eat it then have sex with its sister

 

[APC80]

yah i ran epi 2 times finishing a bulk and its great for drying out any wet gains and ppl dont realize that the body puts out more aromatase as your cycle gets longer so it really only needs to be ran after 4+ month IM blast.

if you have a healthy lifestyle ,i would give m-drol a try. its a superdrol clone, superdrol is my favorite oral. it turns you into a beast in gains, stregnth , and feeling/mood. i wud take it just for the feeling. its like you can pick up a train and eat it then have sex with its sister

I have a bottle of m-drol but decided on the mt. Heard good things about it I'll def give it a go in the new year when I've given myself the recommended time off anything hormonal. Bottle has 60x10mg would ya say I should get another so I can go 30-40 a day?

 

[FRITZBLITZ]

I have a bottle of m-drol but decided on the mt. Heard good things about it I'll def give it a go in the new year when I've given myself the recommended time off anything hormonal. Bottle has 60x10mg would ya say I should get another so I can go 30-40 a day?

i wud buy 2 more so you have enough for 2x 45 day cycles. you cant drink or drug at all before ,during, after but if you feed it enough carbs and protein you will love it. ill pm you a link on how to run it like a pro

 

[FRITZBLITZ]

I have a bottle of m-drol but decided on the mt. Heard good things about it I'll def give it a go in the new year when I've given myself the recommended time off anything hormonal. Bottle has 60x10mg would ya say I should get another so I can go 30-40 a day?

if you ran m-drol week 1-6, trenavar week 1-10 with an increase week 6-10 you probably would double in size. you have to be careful not to upset the beast cuz it can have bad sides

 

[APC80]

i wud buy 2 more so you have enough for 2x 45 day cycles. you cant drink or drug at all before ,during, after but if you feed it enough carbs and protein you will love it. ill pm you a link on how to run it like a pro

Ok cheers mate