Rebuild With SNS & CEL

[InItForGainz]

Had to take a few years off lifting after a some health issues and had to start from scratch again early last year. I've made some pretty decent progress with just the staples (Protein, Creatine, Multi, Extra Vit D3 etc), but now I'm back to a level where I'd like to add a little extra help.
After a lot of research, and reading here on the forums, I've narrowed it down to...

A Natty Anabolic, in either
SNS Anabolic XT
Or
SNS Recomp 20
(Both Look promising as size builders)

Stacked with

A Test Booster, in either
CEL M-Test
Or
CEL Cloma Plex.
(Both look great at increasing free testosterone)

I'll be running the stack with my usual staples, a moderate surplus and hypertrophy focussed training with the goal of adding some size whilst keeping fat gain to a minimum (LeanBulk).

Just looking for some experiences/results, opinions or recommendations from the options above.

 

[Resolve10]

I’d go with Anabolic XT and then flip a coin for the test booster, both are really good options.

Anabolic XT will help you “feel better” like many test boosters can too, it’s a great product.

Then run Recomp XT plus which ever test booster you didn’t pick when you want to cut down the road, Recomp XT can shine in all scenarios, but should be able to ramp up some fat loss.

 

[Jeremyk1]

Personally, I like the combo of Anabolic XT with CEL Anabolic Effect. You get spilanthes from XT and PrimaVie in Effect, so you get a solid test boost anyway. Excellent muscle building, strength, and stamina from each.

 

[InItForGainz]

I’d go with Anabolic XT

Personally, I like the combo of Anabolic XT.

Thank you for the replies.
What kind of results did you guys get from your Anabolic XT runs?

 

[Dustin07]

What kind of results did you guys get from your Anabolic XT runs?

I have about 3/4 of a bottle I'm going to bring back into my stack in probably a month. Last time I ran it what i noticed was overall improved sessions in the gym. The product felt subtle until I got to lifting, then it just felt like everything was super charged. more energy, focus, strength, etc. Good product, as all are from the company.

 

[InItForGainz]

I have about 3/4 of a bottle I'm going to bring back into my stack in probably a month. Last time I ran it what i noticed was overall improved sessions in the gym. The product felt subtle until I got to lifting, then it just felt like everything was super charged. more energy, focus, strength, etc. Good product, as all are from the company.

What did you see/notice in regards to size or strength gains with Anabolic XT?

 

[Dustin07]

What did you see/notice in regards to size or strength gains with Anabolic XT?

I've put on about 15lbs since last sept with many different compounds so I wouldn't be able to say in particular there, I haven't spent enough time to break down AXT gains in regards to size. however I'd say it gave me a noticeable push in the gym and I would correlate that with some strength gains. I think it's a solid product and all of his products have a fantastic quality of ingredients IMO. What I find with every product they put out is that I never ever ever need to over dose it and often times go with less than full dosage.

 

[InItForGainz]

I think it's a solid product and all of his products have a fantastic quality of ingredients IMO. What I find with every product they put out is that I never ever ever need to over dose it and often times go with less than full dosage.

That's why I've always gone with SNS/CEL in the past and chosen to go with their products again this time round.

 

[Dustin07]

That's why I've always gone with SNS/CEL in the past and chosen to go with their products again this time round.

right now in my daily supply I have the anabolic XT (which I'm saving for July), Phosphatidic XT, which I am content with only a half serving, pump addict, where I run only 1 scoop, never 2, the creatine HCI, and the epiandrolean. every product I get from him seems great.

Oh I also just got alpha gel (XPG) and it's phenomenal imo.

 

[sns8778]

Had to take a few years off lifting after a some health issues and had to start from scratch again early last year. I've made some pretty decent progress with just the staples (Protein, Creatine, Multi, Extra Vit D3 etc), but now I'm back to a level where I'd like to add a little extra help.
After a lot of research, and reading here on the forums, I've narrowed it down to...

A Natty Anabolic, in either
SNS Anabolic XT
Or
SNS Recomp 20
(Both Look promising as size builders)

Stacked with

A Test Booster, in either
CEL M-Test
Or
CEL Cloma Plex.
(Both look great at increasing free testosterone)

I'll be running the stack with my usual staples, a moderate surplus and hypertrophy focussed training with the goal of adding some size whilst keeping fat gain to a minimum (LeanBulk).

Just looking for some experiences/results, opinions or recommendations from the options above.

First, I want to say that I'm sorry about the health issues that you've gone through and I'm so happy to hear that you've been back and able to start working out again.

I have some health issues myself, and was in a bad accident last Feb. and really let myself go health wise and lost a lot of muscle and gained a lot of fat, so I've been in the process of pretty much starting all over again myself. This week will be the first week that I've been able to do even light exercise since the accident. I've been trying to lose fat for the last few months and have lost a little over 40 lbs.; the goal now is to keep losing fat but to start building some muscle back.

Anabolic XT and Recomp20 are both great products, but for your goals, I would say to go with Anabolic XT.

Between the 2 test boosters you listed, both are great products. I use M-Test as a daily use supplement - and I think that in your situation, there's a chance that you may like one better or the other, but wouldn't know until you tried them to see which you preferred.

I want to second what some have mentioned above that a great stack would be Anabolic XT + Anabolic Effect + M-Test or Cloma-Plex. Out of all the supplements available and that I can use, I'm looking the most forward to stacking Anabolic XT and Anabolic Effect and Phosphatidic Acid XT.

 

[InItForGainz]

First, I want to say that I'm sorry about the health issues that you've gone through and I'm so happy to hear that you've been back and able to start working out again.

I have some health issues myself, and was in a bad accident last Feb. and really let myself go health wise and lost a lot of muscle and gained a lot of fat, so I've been in the process of pretty much starting all over again myself. This week will be the first week that I've been able to do even light exercise since the accident. I've been trying to lose fat for the last few months and have lost a little over 40 lbs.; the goal now is to keep losing fat but to start building some muscle back.

Anabolic XT and Recomp20 are both great products, but for your goals, I would say to go with Anabolic XT.

Between the 2 test boosters you listed, both are great products. I use M-Test as a daily use supplement - and I think that in your situation, there's a chance that you may like one better or the other, but wouldn't know until you tried them to see which you preferred.

I want to second what some have mentioned above that a great stack would be Anabolic XT + Anabolic Effect + M-Test or Cloma-Plex. Out of all the supplements available and that I can use, I'm looking the most forward to stacking Anabolic XT and Anabolic Effect and Phosphatidic Acid XT.

Sorry to hear about your health issues and your accident, I know how it much it sucks having to be medically benched. Even more so understanding of having to start all over again from an even worse "base". Glad to hear that you're on your road to recovery and rebuilding!

Am I right in assuming that you're recommending Anabolic XT over Recomp 20 because Anabolic XT is an overall better "muscle builder"?
Regards the test booster, out of the two I mentioned, which would you say is better at increasing, the more useful, free testosterone?

Always been a fan of phosphatidic acid, I'm surprised it's not as popular as I think it should be. But then again with Mediator owning the patent it's probably due to the cost of getting the standardized PA.

 

[sns8778]

Always been a fan of phosphatidic acid, I'm surprised it's not as popular as I think it should be. But then again with Mediator owning the patent it's probably due to the cost of getting the standardized PA.

I'm going to reply to the other questions in your post in a separate post, but I wanted to address the Mediator Phosphatidic Acid one in its own post.

I agree that Phosphatidic Acid isn't as popular as it should be, and I think there are three reasons - the price, dosage confusion, and also because when it was originally introduced, several companies overhyped it so badly that nothing could have ever met the expectations that were put on it. That's unfortunate, because that's happened to several different ingredients I liked. I remember the first companies that came out with it doing these crazy ads comparing it to d-bol and stuff like that and then when people didn't gain 15 lbs. in a month from it, they said it sucked. The reality is that its a great ingredient for gaining strength and size and some people may make quick gains (reasonable ones) from it, but PA really is something that needs to be used consistently for best results. Of course that doesn't sound as glamorous in the marketing as it for the ridiculous quick gains that some companies did.

As for the dosing confusion, many companies underdosed it and intentionally tried to deceive customers by putting in 750 mg. Mediator and claiming that was a full 750 mg. of active Phosphatidic Acid when Mediator is 50% Phosphatidic Acid - so it requires 1500 mg. Mediator to give 750 mg. actual Phosphatidic Acid. So, people were trying some and not getting the results they wanted, but it was because they were actually only using half the recommended dose. I hope that makes sense.

Chemi Nutra owns the patent for Mediator and it is an expensive raw material.

BUT - ironically, the price of generic non-branded Chinese material is actually as much or more expensive than branded material.

There are some products that use non-Mediator material that sell for prices that its honestly just mot possible for them to meet label claims - mostly by the fly by night companies that aren't even trying to offer legit quality products. In those cases, they aren't even using the correct doses of even generic material, they're just straight out lying.

 

[sns8778]

Sorry to hear about your health issues and your accident, I know how it much it sucks having to be medically benched. Even more so understanding of having to start all over again from an even worse "base". Glad to hear that you're on your road to recovery and rebuilding!

Am I right in assuming that you're recommending Anabolic XT over Recomp 20 because Anabolic XT is an overall better "muscle builder"?
Regards the test booster, out of the two I mentioned, which would you say is better at increasing, the more useful, free testosterone?

Always been a fan of phosphatidic acid, I'm surprised it's not as popular as I think it should be. But then again with Mediator owning the patent it's probably due to the cost of getting the standardized PA.

Thank you. It's been a very rough time, both physically and mentally.

I think that both Anabolic XT and Recomp20 are great products - I think that Recomp20 is great and very specific in its uses, whereas Anabolic XT works for a broader range of results, and as you say, may be a better overall muscle builder.

I think that M-Test and Cloma-Plex are both great products and great for both total and free testosterone levels. I am not a normal case because I have an endocrinology condition, and I've detailed this a couple times on the forums, but ironically the reason I use M-Test year round is because nothing my endocrinologist ever did or tried me on increased my free testosterone levels as much as M-Test. Even when they would get my total test levels up, free test wouldn't go up the way it should. I tried M-Test, without telling them, and my bloodwork came back dramatically improved, so I told them what was different. They had me come off of it, retest 4 weeks later, free test was back down. Go back on it, retest 4 weeks later, dramatically back up. Therefore, my doctor told me to use it continually.

A lot of people ask if Anabolic XT and Recomp20 can be stacked since they both contain SR10X in them, and the answer is that yes, they can be.

I'm doing Recomp20 for the first month getting back into the swing of things (Lean Edge, Thermo Scorch, Recomp20, Ursa-Gel, Ecdy-Plex) and then will be doing Anabolic XT + Anabolic Effect + Phosphatidic Acid XT for 16 to 20 weeks, but there's a good chance that Recomp20 may carry over into that stack as well for me. I'm trying to make up for lost time haha.

 

[InItForGainz]

I agree that Phosphatidic Acid isn't as popular as it should be, and I think there are three reasons - the price, dosage confusion, and also because when it was originally introduced, several companies overhyped it so badly that nothing could have ever met the expectations that were put on it. That's unfortunate, because that's happened to several different ingredients I liked. I remember the first companies that came out with it doing these crazy ads comparing it to d-bol and stuff like that and then when people didn't gain 15 lbs. in a month from it, they said it sucked. The reality is that its a great ingredient for gaining strength and size and some people may make quick gains (reasonable ones) from it, but PA really is something that needs to be used consistently for best results.

I fully agree, I'm one of those that sort of fell for it...And paid through the teeth for it too.

As for the dosing confusion, many companies underdosed it and intentionally tried to deceive customers by putting in 750 mg. Mediator and claiming that was a full 750 mg. of active Phosphatidic Acid when Mediator is 50% Phosphatidic Acid - so it requires 1500 mg. Mediator to give 750 mg. actual Phosphatidic Acid. So, people were trying some and not getting the results they wanted, but it was because they were actually only using half the recommended dose. I hope that makes sense.

Totally get it.

There are some products that use non-Mediator material that sell for prices that its honestly just mot possible for them to meet label claims - mostly by the fly by night companies that aren't even trying to offer legit quality products. In those cases, they aren't even using the correct doses of even generic material, they're just straight out lying.

Which is sad really, considering how good it actually can be as a natty anabolic.

 

[InItForGainz]

Thank you. It's been a very rough time, both physically and mentally.

I think that both Anabolic XT and Recomp20 are great products - I think that Recomp20 is great and very specific in its uses, whereas Anabolic XT works for a broader range of results, and as you say, may be a better overall muscle builder.

I think that M-Test and Cloma-Plex are both great products and great for both total and free testosterone levels. I am not a normal case because I have an endocrinology condition, and I've detailed this a couple times on the forums, but ironically the reason I use M-Test year round is because nothing my endocrinologist ever did or tried me on increased my free testosterone levels as much as M-Test. Even when they would get my total test levels up, free test wouldn't go up the way it should. I tried M-Test, without telling them, and my bloodwork came back dramatically improved, so I told them what was different. They had me come off of it, retest 4 weeks later, free test was back down. Go back on it, retest 4 weeks later, dramatically back up. Therefore, my doctor told me to use it continually.

A lot of people ask if Anabolic XT and Recomp20 can be stacked since they both contain SR10X in them, and the answer is that yes, they can be.

I see that there are a few shared ingredients between Anabolic XT and Cloma-Plex...
SR10X 1500mg in both
SA3X 500mg in both
C30X 350mg (AXT) 300mg (C-Plex)
G70X 500mg (AXT) 400mg (C-Plex)

Are these the type of ingredients that would provide additional benefits with increased dosages or more of a "point of diminishing results" kind of thing?

 

[sns8778]

I see that there are a few shared ingredients between Anabolic XT and Cloma-Plex...
SR10X 1500mg in both
SA3X 500mg in both
C30X 350mg (AXT) 300mg (C-Plex)
G70X 500mg (AXT) 400mg (C-Plex)

Are these the type of ingredients that would provide additional benefits with increased dosages or more of a "point of diminishing results" kind of thing?

They can definitely be taken together.

SR10X is great and it's an efficient dosage in both formulas, but you can definitely take them together - for example, Recomp20 has 2,800 mg. in it, so taking Anabolic XT + Cloma-Plex would be just slightly more than Recomp20 has it in. And some people have stacked Anabolic XT and Recomp20 and really liked it.

SA3X can definitely be used at 1,000 mg. I always tell people with that that the rule of thumb on that is 500 mg. is a good dose in a formula product but if using it individually, 1,000 mg. is a good dose. Spilanthes XT is 500 mg. per capsule and the suggested use is up to 2 per day; so 1,000 mg total is a great dose.

G70X - 900 mg. per day is fine and I would expect a nice extra jump in libido from going up to that.

C30X - 650 mg. is fine on that too. We used a type of Cistanche that is specifically extracts for Echinacoside (versus some of the other actives), because its more specific for the sports nutrition and anti-aging/longevity benefits.

I do M-Test daily along with Optimize-T, but I've been debating trying Cloma-Plex in place of Optimize-T to see what I think, or adding it on top of my M-Test and Optimize-T stack. For me, with my endocrinology issues, I am not scared to add things, but scared to remove things I know are working for me - but that's because it took me years of different specialists and going through hell to get things figured out and start feeling better.

 

[InItForGainz]

I think I'm going to go with Anabolic XT and Cloma Plex.
Is there any benefit to taking either of these pre or post workout, or should I just take three of each spaced about twelve hours apart with meals?

 

[InItForGainz]

I do M-Test daily along with Optimize-T, but I've been debating trying Cloma-Plex in place of Optimize-T to see what I think, or adding it on top of my M-Test and Optimize-T stack. For me, with my endocrinology issues, I am not scared to add things, but scared to remove things I know are working for me - but that's because it took me years of different specialists and going through hell to get things figured out and start feeling better.

For me, Cloma-Plex wins over M-Test due to the AI and SERM like properties from the E-Cottonii and Ellagic Acid. Built in anti-estrogens which should combat any upstream effects from the increased testosterone.

 

[sns8778]

I think I'm going to go with Anabolic XT and Cloma Plex.
Is there any benefit to taking either of these pre or post workout, or should I just take three of each spaced about twelve hours apart with meals?

I think that will be a great and enjoyable stack.

I personally would take 3 Cloma-Plex twice per day, spaced out 8 to 12 hours apart.

For Anabolic XT, some people do use a dose pre-workout; some people actually take all 6 caps pre-workout. I'll probably take 3 caps pre-workout and then the other 3 caps spaced out 8 to 12 hours apart. But I may try 6 caps 30 minutes prior to working out and see if I like that better - some people really love taking it like that; but if you do that, just make sure to take it on off days as well.

 

[grovemule]

I think that will be a great and enjoyable stack.

I personally would take 3 Cloma-Plex twice per day, spaced out 8 to 12 hours apart.

For Anabolic XT, some people do use a dose pre-workout; some people actually take all 6 caps pre-workout. I'll probably take 3 caps pre-workout and then the other 3 caps spaced out 8 to 12 hours apart. But I may try 6 caps 30 minutes prior to working out and see if I like that better - some people really love taking it like that; but if you do that, just make sure to take it on off days as well.

Hey Steve, totally off topic so forgive me, can u tell me when Furosap will be back in stock? Love that stuff!

 

[sns8778]

Hey Steve, totally off topic so forgive me, can u tell me when Furosap will be back in stock? Love that stuff!

No worries. It should be in the production process now, so it should be back within the next couple of weeks.

I'm glad that you like it. It's the only type of Fenugreek that I'll take myself.