reboundx vs. powerFULL

[phasar]

alright. i'm sold on the cissus. but the order looks a bit slim. so i'm gonna give the REM a try as well.

now while i'm at it, i have a couple bottles of reboundx. but i've never been able to rely on it on its own. is your powerFULL product gonna be any better than it for PCT?

i mean i'm sure the ingredients are different and work in different ways etc......but basically at the end of the day, which is gonna be the better PCT product? just wondering if i might as well order a couple of this while i'm at it. the rem and especially the cissus is a done deal

 

[not_big_enuf]

I'd do BOTH if you can afford it. If not, well, I'd still do both. Make sure you're also using a SERM... better safe than gyno... uh, sorry.

 

[D@LABS]

alright. i'm sold on the cissus. but the order looks a bit slim. so i'm gonna give the REM a try as well.

now while i'm at it, i have a couple bottles of reboundx. but i've never been able to rely on it on its own. is your powerFULL product gonna be any better than it for post cycle therapy?

i mean i'm sure the ingredients are different and work in different ways etc......but basically at the end of the day, which is gonna be the better PCT product? just wondering if i might as well order a couple of this while i'm at it. the rem and especially the cissus is a done deal

powerfull plus creatine (very cheap) and you won't notice a difference, on cycle vs. off- trust me on this

 

[phasar]

powerfull plus creatine (very cheap) and you won't notice a difference, on cycle vs. off- trust me on this

are u claiming that outside of gyno that powerfull + creatine is all the PCT necessary even if i'm heavily shut down from a cycle?

 

[bpmartyr]

are u claiming that outside of gyno that powerfull + creatine is all the post cycle therapy necessary even if i'm heavily shut down from a cycle?

Oh hell no. He is NOT claiming that. The Powerfull is added to help with libido, strength and recovery while you are IN PCT, not AS your PCT. Sheesh.

 

[200wannabe]

Powerfull and creatine post cycle does make for a nice PCT. But i doubt it will do much to restore HPTA. Def include a serm or at least atd/6oxo

 

[D@LABS]

Powerfull and creatine post cycle does make for a nice post cycle therapy. But i doubt it will do much to restore HPTA. Def include a serm or at least atd/6oxo

I am not disagreeing w/ you- and when messing w/ and coming off hormones it is better to be safe than sorry (Very important). I just will give you my own personal experience, no bs- my last cycle was about 7 mos. ago- i was completely shut down, and all i used was our supplements (no SERMs or 6-oxo) when i came off. I HATE clomid and nolvadex w/ a passion- they turn me into a depressive mess after a few days of use- so i won't/can't use them, and i have never tried 6-oxo (though i have heard it is a good choice), and HCG seems to do very little for me. I am a very experienced user, and I honestly did not notice any ill effects when i came off, period. And, like I have said before, as long as our supplements are availiable to me, i have no intention of ever getting back on. When I came off w/ our supplements, I had no gyno, bloating, nothing. I was about 225 when i came off (i am 6'3") @ about 6-7% body fat. I am now 220 @ about 6%.

All in all, i think i lost about 3-5 lbs. of water- that's about it. It took about a month for my hpta to restart, and I am not prone to gyno, so that was never an issue. All I used were cissus, powerfull, camphibolic and creatine- that's it:woohoo: The same pct/cycle (you can use the same combo to gain lean mass instead of doing a hormone cycle) would cost about $150 for 6-8 weeks. Not too bad, huh?

 

[phasar]

thanks for the feedback. well i ordered 2 bottles of the powerfull to see how it goes. i'm not even completely sure how i will use it. but we'll see.

for me, honestly, the best stuff was dermabolics metacort for pct.....it is sooo good. AND cheap! BUT, it is a real pain in the ass to apply cuz it is a transdermal. so what i end up doing is usually, i will use the metacort once every two-three days prior to shower. and the rest of the time, i just wing it with Reboundx + fenu and/or maca and/or trib and/or nettle root. that seemed to work very well and was much much more convenient than having to use metacort daily.

 

[phasar]

btw, i'm sure the answer is somewhere in here if i do a search, but while we're at it, how do u recommend i use the powerfull in conjunction with the REM? or just don't use them in conjunction?

as for the cissus......bwahahaaaa. i'll thank the health gods forever if this right knee pain will ever go away.....

 

[sublimejeh]

Thats pretty cool! Just a little hesistant on believing that is a safe approach, did you get any bloodwork done?

I am not disagreeing w/ you- and when messing w/ and coming off hormones it is better to be safe than sorry (Very important). I just will give you my own personal experience, no bs- my last cycle was about 7 mos. ago- i was completely shut down, and all i used was our supplements (no SERMs or 6-oxo) when i came off. I HATE clomid and nolvadex w/ a passion- they turn me into a depressive mess after a few days of use- so i won't/can't use them, and i have never tried 6-oxo (though i have heard it is a good choice), and HCG seems to do very little for me. I am a very experienced user, and I honestly did not notice any ill effects when i came off, period. And, like I have said before, as long as our supplements are availiable to me, i have no intention of ever getting back on. When I came off w/ our supplements, I had no gyno, bloating, nothing. I was about 225 when i came off (i am 6'3") @ about 6-7% body fat. I am now 220 @ about 6%.

All in all, i think i lost about 3-5 lbs. of water- that's about it. It took about a month for my hpta to restart, and I am not prone to gyno, so that was never an issue. All I used were cissus, powerfull, camphibolic and creatine- that's it:woohoo: The same post cycle therapy/cycle (you can use the same combo to gain lean mass instead of doing a hormone cycle) would cost about $150 for 6-8 weeks. Not too bad, huh?

 

[bpmartyr]

Thats pretty cool! Just a little hesistant on believing that is a safe approach, did you get any bloodwork done?

As long as he retained his gains I see no problem. Nolva and Clomid arent exactly "safe" either.

Your body will return to homeostasis without any PCT whatsoever but you will lose most if not all gains, take LONGER to recover and feel like crap in the process.

 

[D@LABS]

btw, i'm sure the answer is somewhere in here if i do a search, but while we're at it, how do u recommend i use the powerfull in conjunction with the REM? or just don't use them in conjunction?

as for the cissus......bwahahaaaa. i'll thank the health gods forever if this right knee pain will ever go away.....

yeah- the powerfull and the REM go pretty well together- all our supplements stack well w/ one another- we tried to design it that way as best we could

 

[D@LABS]

As long as he retained his gains I see no problem. Nolva and Clomid arent exactly "safe" either.

Your body will return to homeostasis without any post cycle therapy whatsoever but you will lose most if not all gains, take LONGER to recover and feel like crap in the process.

agreed- if i had used nothing at all it would have been a *****- i probably would have lost 90-120% of my gains. i have seen some people get so suppressed that they actually regress back some of their gains they had while they were all-natural- kinda scary. this usually happens to guys who juice too early (like a few months after they start lifting)- they have no base to stand on.

i like the way i did it- w/ our supplements i kept 100% of my gains, and i am actually a little bit bigger and more shredded now than when i ended my last cycle


ps sub- my bloodwork came back competely normal a couple months ago- my wife is a nurse, and has pretty good access to the lab where it is done

 

[Guest]

Powerfull and creatine post cycle does make for a nice post cycle therapy. But i doubt it will do much to restore HPTA. Def include a serm or at least atd/6oxo

HPTA will restore itself and saponins may excelerate the process, but if you are gaining and maintaining strength/libido/sanity well into PCT then natural restoration will occur.

 

[200wannabe]

HPTA will restore itself and saponins may excelerate the process, but if you are gaining and maintaining strength/libido/sanity well into post cycle therapy then natural restoration will occur.

I agree that HPTA function will restore itself regardless of PCT 'given time', and I have often advocated the use of powerfull and other USP supps post cycle (im a firm believer in camp/cissus/powerfull).
I just think that we should be mindfull of steering new people too far away from recognised PCT protocols, SERM AI etc until they have a good understanding of the process. At that stage experimenting with different protocols is perhaps to be encouraged.
I just didnt like the idea of someone reading this thread and thinking 'Oh i dont need to do PCT i can just run some creatine and be ok'.

I have no doubt powefull has made PCT a much better experience for me.

 

[Guest]

I agree that HPTA function will restore itself regardless of post cycle therapy 'given time', and I have often advocated the use of powerfull and other USP supps post cycle (im a firm believer in camp/cissus/powerfull).
I just think that we should be mindfull of steering new people too far away from recognised PCT protocols, SERM AI etc until they have a good understanding of the process. At that stage experimenting with different protocols is perhaps to be encouraged.
I just didnt like the idea of someone reading this thread and thinking 'Oh i dont need to do PCT i can just run some creatine and be ok'.

I have no doubt powefull has made PCT a much better experience for me.

It's not our place to reccomend illegal substances especially when our protocol works well and proven much more effective then SERMS in terms of keeping gains libido and etc. Generalizing the statment as "SOME Creatine" is not the protocol we recommend.

You do make a great point.

 

[not_big_enuf]

I will simply add this. After 5 days on Powerfull... immediately after my PCT, my, uh... friends down-low are much fuller than they were before and libido has also increased. I would definately add this to any PCT and believe it really helps get things rollin again, and quickly.