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Reason why Cycle Assist is out of stock everywhere?

sns8778 said:
My replies are meant to be towards anyone reading, not specifically towards you. You are entitled to view things how you want to and spend your money however you'd like. There seems to be enough arguing going on; I just want to educate anyone reading this thread to help them understand product labels better, especially ones containing herbal ingredients so that they can make informed decisions on what products to buy.



The colors listed on the Cycle Assist label are the ingredients that are in the colored capsules themselves. Any colored capsule on the market has added colors in them but not all brands list these ingredients on the label even though legally they are supposed to.



Based off of your post here, I'm not sure if you have a clear understanding of the significance of standardized extracts.

In the case of most herbs for health benefits, it isn't the amount of herb itself that has any effect, it is the amount of active ingredient that the herb is standardized for.

For examples of this, you can even look at the bigger herb companies like NOW Foods and Natures Way to see a very clear difference in the potencies of standardized herbs to regular herbs. I use those two companies as examples because they both offer standardized and non-standardized herbs and both clearly acknowledge that their standardized herbs are stronger and more effective.

Let's use Milk Thistle for example:
Milk Thistle is the name of the herb but Silymarin is the active ingredient in Milk Thistle that provides the liver health/support benefits associated with Milk Thistle. It doesn't matter how much Milk Thistle powder you take, it matters how much Silymarin.

A label that shows 'Milk Thistle (Seed)' - 1,000 mg. would mean that there is 1,000 mg. of herb powder per serving but there could be as little as no Silymarin content at all which would mean that that there would be little, if any benefit for liver health/support.

A label that shows Milk Thistle (Stnd. for 80% Silymarin) means that you are getting a guaranteed amount of Silymarin per serving.


As today's current raw material pricing, Milk Thistle standardized to 80% Silymarin costs 350% what Milk Thistle Seed Powder does.

The same scenario applies to Hawthorn, Celery, Saw Palmetto, etc.


As far as the non-FDA approved portion of the comment, as a supplement consumer its important to realize that supplements in general are not FDA approved; this includes Vitamin C, multivitamins, etc.
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My point about FDA approval was basically to insinuate that any supplement company could put whatever they want in the label, including standardized and it means ZERO.

So I’m just stating I go off of what is actually working, not what a label says. I’ve used Cycle Assist and I had elevated AST and ALT, so that’s my 2 cents. I have nothing further to add, this is getting a little odd that all these guys want to argue with me over some cycle support.
 
rugger48 said:
I caught this, anybody else.
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Bad taste I admit, however I use the product and its one of my go to cycle supports every time. Just because it isn't standardised doesn't mean that automatically everything is at a lower dose. You either trust a brand or not.
 
Ok let’s try this again, the guy who owned the company that makes liver and organ died at 45. He had a cardiac arrest , when they did the autopsy his heart and liver weighed twice what they were suppose to weigh.


Common sense would tell you what in this situation?
 
rugger48 said:
Ok let’s try this again, the guy who owned the company that makes liver and organ died at 45. He had a cardiac arrest , when they did the autopsy his heart and liver weight twice what they were suppose to whey.


Common sense would tell you what in this situation?
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That no matter how wrong people are, they would rather save face than learn a lesson, and quite possibly get better results.
 
Admin said:
That no matter how wrong people are, they would rather save face than learn a lesson, and quite possibly get better results.
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I’m confused so what is the lesson, here I missed that portion. I didn’t see the last few comments till now.
 
rugger48 said:
Right, so it’s bad decisions with his own life and friends , but runs a top notch company.[/QUOTE

Who knows, I’m not an advocate for 5% or any brand like others on here clearly are for various brands. I’m just saying I’m going to use this product as I have found it to be good, it’s not the only product that I have found that I liked in the same category.
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Rhadam said:
Seems like you cared quite a bit to bash the product, post something inferior, then refuse to admit you were wrong and really have no clue what you're talking about.
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Guy, you obviously work for them. What don’t I know, please tell me. Because I said standardized mean nothing?

Or that i said this product in my eyes is superior, I also think a few others are. I also don’t like they fact they use artificial coloring in the caps vs just using gelatin. I think you are the misinformed.
 
Meatballs said:
Guy, you obviously work for them. What don’t I know, please tell me. Because I said standardized mean nothing?

Or that i said this product in my eyes is superior, I also think a few others are. I also don’t like they fact they use artificial coloring in the caps vs just using gelatin. I think you are the misinformed.
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I don't work for CEL lol. Just because someone defends a product, or laughs at your inadequacy, doesn't mean they work for a company. A couple posters came in and dissected your posts, and you dodged almost all of those points.
 
Rhadam said:
I don't work for CEL lol. Just because someone defends a product, or laughs at your inadequacy, doesn't mean they work for a company.
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Bro come on. It’s all good man, I tried Cycle Assist in like 2010 and didn’t get good bloods on it, that’s all. Like I said before I said trash based off my experience, I never said I wouldn’t try it again. I mean prob not now after the company attacked me on here.
 
rugger48 said:
Ok let’s try this again, the guy who owned the company that makes liver and organ died at 45. He had a cardiac arrest , when they did the autopsy his heart and liver weighed twice what they were suppose to weigh.


Common sense would tell you what in this situation?
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go big or...go home and sniff narcotics and die!
 
Meatballs said:
My point about FDA approval was basically to insinuate that any supplement company could put whatever they want in the label, including standardized and it means ZERO.
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That isn't true IF the supplement company uses a contract manufacturer that is GMP compliant. A GMP compliant manufacturing facility that were to allow a company to use an herbal powder in place of a standardized extract on a label would be risking FDA write ups, fines, and potential other action for doing so which would be insane on their part.

Even though supplements are not FDA approved, companies and contract manufacturers are subject to GMP guidelines and processes and GMP guidelines and processes are enforced by the FDA.

If you go by the train of thought that you are using there, then a company could not be putting the ingredient in at all, putting something else in its place, etc. That itself used be a huge problem in this industry and unfortunately probably still occurs sometimes, but not nearly to the level that it used to and it would be insane of a contract manufacturing facility to risk it even if the company/customer wanted them to.

Again, I'm not arguing with you or replying directly to you. I'm replying to what you said for the educational purposes of other people reading the thread.
 
Meatballs said:
Guy, you obviously work for them. What don’t I know, please tell me. Because I said standardized mean nothing?

Or that i said this product in my eyes is superior, I also think a few others are. I also don’t like they fact they use artificial coloring in the caps vs just using gelatin. I think you are the misinformed.
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If you are saying that being standardized means nothing, that is absolutely wrong because of the reasons I, and several others have already pointed out. Even the major herb manufacturers agree. If standardization didn't mean anything, there would be no reason for branded herbal ingredients like KSM-66, Sensoril, Paractin, Peak O2, and others to even exist and there would be no reason for companies like NOW Foods and Natures Way to offer both herbal forms and standardized extracts of their products.

As far as using artificial colors in that caps vs. just using gelatin, ANY colored capsule contains colors in them. The only gelatin capsules that do not contain a color in them are clear capsules or white capsules (which are gelatin/titanium dioxide). Some companies do not list the colors on their other ingredients like they are supposed to for colored capsules, but by law they are supposed to.

When people disagree with you or point out that some of the things you posted aren't true, it doesn't mean they are attacking you. Some seem like they were at least initially trying to help you learn or understand what standardization means and the importance of it. Also, some people like myself, are replying for the purposes of educating people that may be reading the thread trying to learn but aren't posting or for people that may read this thread in years to come.

The importance of standardized herbs isn't an SNS thing or a CEL thing, its a factual importance that consumers need to understand when buying herbal products. A great example in the mainstream right now is Turmeric/Curcumin. Turmeric powder is very cheap but does very little whereas highly standardized Curcumin products are much more expensive but deliver much better effects.
 
sns8778 said:
That isn't true IF the supplement company uses a contract manufacturer that is GMP compliant. A GMP compliant manufacturing facility that were to allow a company to use an herbal powder in place of a standardized extract on a label would be risking FDA write ups, fines, and potential other action for doing so which would be insane on their part.

Even though supplements are not FDA approved, companies and contract manufacturers are subject to GMP guidelines and processes and GMP guidelines and processes are enforced by the FDA.

If you go by the train of thought that you are using there, then a company could not be putting the ingredient in at all, putting something else in its place, etc. That itself used be a huge problem in this industry and unfortunately probably still occurs sometimes, but not nearly to the level that it used to and it would be insane of a contract manufacturing facility to risk it even if the company/customer wanted them to.

Again, I'm not arguing with you or replying directly to you. I'm replying to what you said for the educational purposes of other people reading the thread.
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I don’t disagree with you.
 
CEL and SNS are trustful companies and there is no doubt about that. High quality products for a good price. And no, I dont work for them
 
Danes said:
CEL and SNS are trustful companies and there is no doubt about that. High quality products for a good price. And no, I dont work for them
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This is actually true why he’s saying. All I was saying is I prefer the acp profile, but there’s nothing wrong with there gear
 
Also curious if you run methylated cycles when you use 5% did you get bloods while running liver and organ? Some people are more prone to high liver values. Something to think about. Some products are going to bring your liver values up and there’s nothing out there that can stop them.
 
The Express 42 said:
Also curious if you run methylated cycles when you use 5% did you get bloods while running liver and organ? Some people are more prone to high liver values. Something to think about. Some products are going to bring your liver values up and there’s nothing out there that can stop them.
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Yes I did and I always do, no I’m pretty within normal range unless it’s something harsh like superdrol or Anadrol. But Believe it or not Liv52 kept me in check before as well. Everyone is different, some say Liv52 is trash, we all have our opinions.
 
Meatballs said:
Yes I did and I always do, no I’m pretty within normal range unless it’s something harsh like superdrol or Anadrol. But Believe it or not Liv52 kept me in check before as well. Everyone is different, some say Liv52 is trash, we all have our opinions.
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Liv52 is one of the worst support supps around, and that fact that you think it's good shows how little you know of chemistry much less physio.
 
Rhadam said:
Liv52 is one of the worst support supps around, and that fact that you think it's good shows how little you know of chemistry much less physio.
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That’s my point but yet it worked. I think you have some issues with your own intellectual prowess.

If you read what I said, years ago I took it and it worked, I’m well aware that it’s ingredients are not considered effective. I mean I take TUD, is that something you have an issue with too? Go back to where you came from, from the looks of your pic prob a Boy George house party, nice backpack.
 
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