Realistic expectations for PH cycle

[LiftWithDonuts]

What should one realistically expect from a first ph cycle of say DMZ at 50mg for a month?
What if 2nd week trest was added?

Of course eating in a caloric surplus with a lot more volume than normal.

 

[alts]

Realistically you can expect smaller testicles and bigger muscles.

 

[LiftWithDonuts]

Realistically you can expect smaller testicles and bigger muscles.

Really? I expected bigger balls and smaller muscles, hope phw has a good return policy

 

[Joedoubledose]

Anywhere from 5lbs to 20 pounds it's all about length of cycle , diet , and compound dosages . I just started a 6 week dmz run today at 40mgs and expect to gain 10-15 pounds or so and hope to keep atleast 10

 

[NattyBoy]

Dmz at 50mg is too much for a first cycle, but I think 15lbs would be the least amount you would gain if it were your first cycle

 

[Volvo140G]

strength, endurance, "the look", shutdown

 

[BamBam0319]

I would do lower dosage like 30-40mg and run it for longer like 6-8 weeks instead of 4. Trest would be a fun addition to that but I'd probably personally run it from day 1.
If it's your first cycle though I might keep it just to the DMZ and maybe pick up some dermacrine to stack with it. I haven't tried it but I'm considering adding it to my next cycle.
Everyone else's responses in terms of weight gain is pretty on point though.

 

[Jebrook]

As everyone else said it all depends. 5-10 lean lbs probably minimum of eating maintenance or a small surplus of clean calories. 15-20 lbs if eating a large surplus. How lean the gains are will depend on the amount of surplus.

 

[NattyBoy]

I would do lower dosage like 30-40mg and run it for longer like 6-8 weeks instead of 4. Trest would be a fun addition to that but I'd probably personally run it from day 1.
If it's your first cycle though I might keep it just to the DMZ and maybe pick up some dermacrine to stack with it. I haven't tried it but I'm considering adding it to my next cycle.
Everyone else's responses in terms of weight gain is pretty on point though.

Maybe 5-6 if it's only a first cycle

 

[LiftWithDonuts]

I would do lower dosage like 30-40mg and run it for longer like 6-8 weeks instead of 4. Trest would be a fun addition to that but I'd probably personally run it from day 1.
If it's your first cycle though I might keep it just to the DMZ and maybe pick up some dermacrine to stack with it. I haven't tried it but I'm considering adding it to my next cycle.
Everyone else's responses in terms of weight gain is pretty on point though.

I messed up, it's gonna be 25mg daily. I read that the dermacrine doesn't convert right due to it being a transdermal?

 

[BamBam0319]

I messed up, it's gonna be 25mg daily. I read that the dermacrine doesn't convert right due to it being a transdermal?

Well dermacrine is DHEA and prenenolone, it's just supposed to help with possible lethargy and other sides on cycle. I've read about a lot of people having success with it so idk.

 

[LiftWithDonuts]

strength, endurance, "the look", shutdown

Would trest help with libido?

 

[Volvo140G]

Would trest help with libido?

big time! it will also come with a host of potential sides. if its your first cycle, I'd probably stick to one compoumd

 

[BamBam0319]

Would trest help with libido?

Yeah trest is the best test base other than pinning test itself. But it's a pretty intense addition especially for a first cycle.
That's why I suggested dermacrine, it's much milder test base that will help with libido and lethargy and other issues that may arise.

 

[Blergs]

What should one realistically expect from a first ph cycle of say DMZ at 50mg for a month?
What if 2nd week trest was added?

Of course eating in a caloric surplus with a lot more volume than normal.

I would add a test base, it will shut you down leaving you feel ****ty, tired, low libido and limited gains, plus test is used for many functions in the body. I would do 12 wks test with an AI and PH + PCT
first cycle like i stated maybe 20lb not counting water if llucky. from cycles down the road be happy with 10-15lb a cycle. again not a short crappy oral only cycle, but with test base, atleast a cream or DHEA or something to help out in that area IMO

 

[LiftWithDonuts]

I would add a test base, it will shut you down leaving you feel ****ty, tired, low libido and limited gains, plus test is used for many functions in the body. I would do 12 wks test with an AI and PH + PCT
first cycle like i stated maybe 20lb not counting water if llucky. from cycles down the road be happy with 10-15lb a cycle. again not a short crappy oral only cycle, but with test base, atleast a cream or DHEA or something to help out in that area IMO

So far what I have half and half on the way here is dmz,tr3st,gharnine,an AI and nolva, OL tudca and cel cycle assist.