Ready to cycle?

kp2012

Member
How do i know when im ready to cycle?

current stats are 68kg, 5'9 20 years old
Deadlifting 125kg x 4-6 reps
Squat 80 kg x 4 reps (just coming out of knee injury, havent been able to squat for 3 months)
Bench 70kg x 4-6 reps

given that these numbers are very average i think i still have a while to go before i should start, the thing i cant gain lean muscle mass, been trying to for so long but the only mass i seem to gain is water and fat. current split for diet is 450c/70p/180p = 3200ish cals
 
At 150lbs you have quite a bit of growing to go. I personally started at around 200lbs. Use a 60/30/10 split on macros c/p/f bump your calories up 200 then follow your choice of hypertrophy program (it is really personal preference).
 
I would agree that you're a long way from achieving your maximum natural potential. I am also 5' 9" and, whilst I don't consider myself to be anywhere near my natural potential, I've gone from 54kg and dreaming of the day where I would hit 60kg, to around 80kg when I last stepped on the scales.

It's been a very long time (over 10 years), and I'm sure I could have made more progress if I had sorted out my diet much sooner but you live and learn and I'm quite happy with my achievements so far.

I would say your diet should be closer to:

Protein: 219
Carbs: 439
Fats: 89
Supplemental Fats: 51
 
Gerbil said:
At 150lbs you have quite a bit of growing to go. I personally started at around 200lbs. Use a 60/30/10 split on macros c/p/f bump your calories up 200 then follow your choice of hypertrophy program (it is really personal preference).
Click to expand...

You started at 200 pounds...but looking at your photos if you were low body fat you'd be somewhere around 160-170. Just saying
 
ITW said:
You started at 200 pounds...but looking at your photos if you were low body fat you'd be somewhere around 160-170. Just saying
Click to expand...

If I had no bodyfat on me I would be 180lbs at 0%bf, which would be dead.
 
You won't gain lean mass only if you are trying to bulk, the body doesn't work this way unless you are one of a very few genetically gifted people. Most people will gain fat, some more than others, while bulking. You need to bulk up a good 15-20lbs heavier than where you want to be when you are cut. Wait at least a few years before cycling, your body's test right now is really high and shouldn't start to decline at all until you are at LEAST 24 or 25. Personally I started when I was 24 at about 165lbs(funny because I've been this weight after cutting several times now but much more muscular) but I think I should've waited and done another year natty. Can't change the past though!
 
SuperPro said:
You won't gain lean mass only if you are trying to bulk, the body doesn't work this way unless you are one of a very few genetically gifted people. Most people will gain fat, some more than others, while bulking. You need to bulk up a good 15-20lbs heavier than where you want to be when you are cut. Wait at least a few years before cycling, your body's test right now is really high and shouldn't start to decline at all until you are at LEAST 24 or 25. Personally I started when I was 24 at about 165lbs(funny because I've been this weight after cutting several times now but much more muscular) but I think I should've waited and done another year natty. Can't change the past though!
Click to expand...

Awesome advice, thank you my man :)
 
SuperPro said:
You won't gain lean mass only if you are trying to bulk, the body doesn't work this way unless you are one of a very few genetically gifted people. Most people will gain fat, some more than others, while bulking. You need to bulk up a good 15-20lbs heavier than where you want to be when you are cut. Wait at least a few years before cycling, your body's test right now is really high and shouldn't start to decline at all until you are at LEAST 24 or 25. Personally I started when I was 24 at about 165lbs(funny because I've been this weight after cutting several times now but much more muscular) but I think I should've waited and done another year natty. Can't change the past though!
Click to expand...

You can gain only lean mass.....BUT (<thats a big but) you need a close to flawless diet which is very difficult to attain.
 
kp2012 said:
How do i know when im ready to cycle?

current stats are 68kg, 5'9 20 years old
Deadlifting 125kg x 4-6 reps
Squat 80 kg x 4 reps (just coming out of knee injury, havent been able to squat for 3 months)
Bench 70kg x 4-6 reps

given that these numbers are very average i think i still have a while to go before i should start, the thing i cant gain lean muscle mass, been trying to for so long but the only mass i seem to gain is water and fat. current split for diet is 450c/70p/180p = 3200ish cals
Click to expand...

IMHO you're old enough to start using AAS whenever you feel you're mature enough to handle it. A lot of this business about maxing out your natural potential is silly. U may not have much natural ability. Getting to a certain weight is meaningless. Anybody can do that. AAS will help you maximize whatever potential u have. Plenty of successful bodybuilders and other athletes were using at your age. It's really something everyone needs to decide for themselves. U just need to be smart about it. Do u think we'd have ever heard of Arnold if he waited until he was 30 to start taking D-Bol? Nope. U think Jason Cutler waited until he fulfilled his "natural potential" to start juicing. Negative.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top