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R4J- The 1, dermafury, sust400, test prop, t3, tren ace.

I've always had hgh in the back of my mind myself, it's like opening up a whole new ball game of things to learn on now..

It's like I'm figuring out how to properly cycle all over again. Lol What's a serm? Lmao Type of situation..
 
Goliath1 said:
I've always had hgh in the back of my mind myself, it's like opening up a whole new ball game of things to learn on now.. It's like I'm figuring out how to properly cycle all over again. Lol What's a serm? Lmao Type of situation..
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Hgh has a ton of great benefits but the biggest issue for me is that it's such a long term commitment. I like using short esters so you can get in and out. Sometimes life happens and id hate to get like 2mo into gh and then have to stop for some reason and waste that time.
 
booneman77 said:
Hgh has a ton of great benefits but the biggest issue for me is that it's such a long term commitment. I like using short esters so you can get in and out. Sometimes life happens and id hate to get like 2mo into gh and then have to stop for some reason and waste that time.
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I definitely can agree with that and see your point of view.. I'll have to keep doing my homework and see if it is something I can manage at the moment.. There's a bit more to it then I had thought, but then again, I've never really looked into it..
 
Goliath1 said:
I definitely can agree with that and see your point of view.. I'll have to keep doing my homework and see if it is something I can manage at the moment.. There's a bit more to it then I had thought, but then again, I've never really looked into it..
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Until you can dedicate literally a grand a month for low doses I wouldn't bother.
 
superbeast668 said:
I'd swap assist for lgi's formula with TUDCA since at there's studies showing TUDCA could help with cholesterol. Hyde is the one who made me aware of these studies maybe he'll chime.
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If I've ever been under that impression and said so, I apologize - I don't believe that's the case, necessarily. Perhaps I mispoke. I do think TUDCA has a host of benefits that extend beyond liver support, but can't cite anything to support that.

I've read a human study on UDCA usage that showed increasing liver health/lowered bilirubin/decreases in cholestasis within liver cells in a dose dependent fashion. I believe all of the human subjects were suffering from cholestasis to some degree, and control groups were given doses of 300, 600, 900, and 1200mg/day of pharm grade UDCA. The 600 did significantly better than the 300/day group, and the 900 improved even more, while the 1200 group improved only marginally more than 900. This led the researchers to conclude that over 900mg/day of UDCA is diminishing returns. Sides weren't noted, and personally I've never noted any even at 1,250 of TUDCA, although I felt 750 was the best bang for buck and 1,250 was no different than 1g/day. At some point M1T is still M1T, and it's poison lol

900mg-1g/day of UDCA is the sweetspot. TUDCA is UDCA w/ a taurine group attached, but appears to work in an almost identical fashion, anecdotally. I can personally attest that even 500mg/day makes a massive difference in both my on cycle liver bloodwork and urine color (and promotes a big decrease in lethargy or appetite suppression that some compounds promote since the liver stays much healthier). Like R4J mentioned, the importance of drinking huge quantities of water on a strong oral cycle can't be overstated, but TUDCA absolutely can let the liver stay healthier, much longer and withstanding higher doses to boot.

Liv52 has made marginal improvements in my bloodwork too, and at 2 caps/day it's dirt cheap so I believe in it. HenryV knocks it here, but keep in mind that he's basically pimping Aegis/TUDCA in this blog - still, I feel these are some good basic points not everyone considers when using orals:

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Now he sends me visitor messages. He had it out for me after I told him his 12 week cycle of sd/m1a/and I think it was msten or some **** was a bad idea. And then I would point out his advice was wrong, and he would go for personal attacks towards myself and sns. So I negged him, and it sent him over the edge. Dudes a nut. That kinda stuff ruins forums imo.
 
Hyde said:
If I've ever been under that impression and said so, I apologize - I don't believe that's the case, necessarily. Perhaps I mispoke. I do think TUDCA has a host of benefits that extend beyond liver support, but can't cite anything to support that.

I've read a human study on UDCA usage that showed increasing liver health/lowered bilirubin/decreases in cholestasis within liver cells in a dose dependent fashion. I believe all of the human subjects were suffering from cholestasis to some degree, and control groups were given doses of 300, 600, 900, and 1200mg/day of pharm grade UDCA. The 600 did significantly better than the 300/day group, and the 900 improved even more, while the 1200 group improved only marginally more than 900. This led the researchers to conclude that over 900mg/day of UDCA is diminishing returns. Sides weren't noted, and personally I've never noted any even at 1,250 of TUDCA, although I felt 750 was the best bang for buck and 1,250 was no different than 1g/day. At some point M1T is still M1T, and it's poison lol

900mg-1g/day of UDCA is the sweetspot. TUDCA is UDCA w/ a taurine group attached, but appears to work in an almost identical fashion, anecdotally. I can personally attest that even 500mg/day makes a massive difference in both my on cycle liver bloodwork and urine color (and promotes a big decrease in lethargy or appetite suppression that some compounds promote since the liver stays much healthier). Like R4J mentioned, the importance of drinking huge quantities of water on a strong oral cycle can't be overstated, but TUDCA absolutely can let the liver stay healthier, much longer and withstanding higher doses to boot.

Liv52 has made marginal improvements in my bloodwork too, and at 2 caps/day it's dirt cheap so I believe in it. HenryV knocks it here, but keep in mind that he's basically pimping Aegis/TUDCA in this blog - still, I feel these are some good basic points not everyone considers when using orals:

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I personally find liv52 much more economically feasible for myself than tudca. I throw in cycle assist also. Works fine. No issues.
 
Just ordered ghrp-2. How much bac would you guys add to the 5mg vial? And how many times a day do I inject 200mcg? Besides the morning dose 10 min before hgh.
And ill start that, and then add hgh. Iv done research pointing out that eod dosing of hgh is optimal.
However ill stick with what fueled said and dose 3ius every morning.
 
reps4jesus said:
I personally find liv52 much more economically feasible for myself than tudca. I throw in cycle assist also. Works fine. No issues.
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I think Cycle Assist is a waste at the standard dosing. That being said, if what you're doing is working for you, no reason to fix it, right? I've been doing 8 caps of LGI's Damage Control & 2 caps Liv52/day and feeling better than ever on it.
 
Hyde said:
I think Cycle Assist is a waste at the standard dosing. That being said, if what you're doing is working for you, no reason to fix it, right? I've been doing 8 caps of LGI's Damage Control & 2 caps Liv52/day and feeling better than ever on it.
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Cycle assist is dosed correctly though, compair it to your damage control. I personally do not think 250mg tudca help but thats just me. I love liv52. I have the small bottle and I dose it 10-12 tabs a day. Cheap as hell. 6 bucks shipped lol
 
Btw guys, cutting the dose of dermafury in half. Joints hurt to much. I did this yesterday and my joints already feel a bit better.
It was getting very counterproductive. It would be a good thing to run on a deca or eq cycle to stay lean.
 
reps4jesus said:
Cycle assist is dosed correctly though, compair it to your damage control. I personally do not think 250mg tudca help but thats just me. I love liv52. I have the small bottle and I dose it 10-12 tabs a day. Cheap as hell. 6 bucks shipped lol
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I run 8 caps because that gets me a good dose for the ingredients I care about - Coq10, TUDCA, SAMe, NAC. There's a ton of grossly underdosed ingredients in both, such as Hawthorne Berry and Celery Seed. These ingredients need 2g/1g per day, respectively, at least to make palpable differences.

I don't rep for LGI, and I don't care what you use if it makes you happy. Just discussing what I do. Carry on :)
 
reps4jesus said:
Just ordered ghrp-2. How much bac would you guys add to the 5mg vial? And how many times a day do I inject 200mcg? Besides the morning dose 10 min before hgh.
And ill start that, and then add hgh. Iv done research pointing out that eod dosing of hgh is optimal.
However ill stick with what fueled said and dose 3ius every morning.
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How much bac depends on desired concentration. If you add 2.5mL, you'll have 200mcg/.1mL. 3xday is standard but I like to stick with 100mcg for cost reasons (diminishing returns above this).
 
Holy ****in side effects lol
Damn today was rough guys. Horribly humid outside. Add that to shortness of breath on tren and you have yourself a dangerous situation. I could barely breath
 
arm vascularity is insane, same with shoulders. Also look tight in these areas. But my chest and abs look bloated. Idk..I may add .6 letro e3d and see what happens.
 
Albuterol Isnt helping tren shortness of breath. Doing 6mg 3 times a day. Cardio is killer lmao
Would higher test help possibly?
Also what do you guys use to cut gear? Oil. Sust 400 and tren ace 200. Just to take the pip down a notch.
Im not using the sust as of now though I switched to test e for the time being.
 
reps4jesus said:
Albuterol Isnt helping tren shortness of breath. Doing 6mg 3 times a day. Cardio is killer lmao Would higher test help possibly? Also what do you guys use to cut gear? Oil. Sust 400 and tren ace 200. Just to take the pip down a notch. Im not using the sust as of now though I switched to test e for the time being.
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Just taking out the sust should do you pretty well. I've never had any issues with tren pip so that move alone might be enough for you
 
Sorry to hear about the albuterol not helping. Next step is maybe clen or GW. I'd cut with EO if the goal is to reduce pip. Or GSO if you want to save some $. Tren ace at 100mg/mL shouldn't have any pip (at least mine never has).
 
I've heard Singulair helps with tren cardio. Few posts on reddit about it
 
booneman77 said:
Just taking out the sust should do you pretty well. I've never had any issues with tren pip so that move alone might be enough for you
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Im not using sust. I using test e. I just wanna cut a vial of sust I have left
 
hewhoisripped said:
Sorry to hear about the albuterol not helping. Next step is maybe clen or GW. I'd cut with EO if the goal is to reduce pip. Or GSO if you want to save some $. Tren ace at 100mg/mL shouldn't have any pip (at least mine never has).
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Great thanks Man my tren ace is 200mg per ml
 
not so sure about this particular page lol but looking good in here man. excited to see how the hgh treats you, and how you finish this off. gotta love vascularity
 
Jared.P said:
not so sure about this particular page lol but looking good in here man. excited to see how the hgh treats you, and how you finish this off. gotta love vascularity
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Still a lot of time on brother lol hgh wont be for a little while. Starting ghrp 2 though. 100-200mcg 3 times a day.
 
No more joint pain At low doses of dermafury. Half a pump. Going well now.
Started ghrp 2 at 100mcg 3 times a day.
And i realized the pump on my albuterol doesnt spit out an ml, so starting tomorrow ill be using an oral syringe instead. Thats why it wasn't working for me lol
 
reps4jesus said:
No more joint pain At low doses of dermafury. Half a pump. Going well now. Started ghrp 2 at 100mcg 3 times a day. And i realized the pump on my albuterol doesnt spit out an ml, so starting tomorrow ill be using an oral syringe instead. Thats why it wasn't working for me lol
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Are you taking anything with ghrp? You may want to look into mod grf29 or Cjc 1295 w dac if you aren't using one
 
reps4jesus said:
No more joint pain At low doses of dermafury. Half a pump. Going well now.
Started ghrp 2 at 100mcg 3 times a day.
And i realized the pump on my albuterol doesnt spit out an ml, so starting tomorrow ill be using an oral syringe instead. Thats why it wasn't working for me lol
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pumps are like the worst dosing tool. oral syringes are so much easier and more accurate. I'll never use a pump again for anything but hand soap.
 
booneman77 said:
pumps are like the worst dosing tool. oral syringes are so much easier and more accurate. I'll never use a pump again for anything but hand soap.
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Agreed. It just looked cool and I wanted to try lol so convenient.
 
superbeast668 said:
Are you taking anything with ghrp? You may want to look into mod grf29 or Cjc 1295 w dac if you aren't using one
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I was planning on getting one of these because it looks like people always run one of them with ghrp amd other peps. Why do people dp this?
 
The CJC (with or without DAC) stimulates the GH release, the GHRP amplifies it. It's like one is the base number and the other the multiplier. If you take 100 CJC and 100 GHRP you end up with 10K GH. If you take just 100GHRP you may end up with 0 GH. Not so white and black, but you get the point.
 
hewhoisripped said:
The CJC (with or without DAC) stimulates the GH release, the GHRP amplifies it. It's like one is the base number and the other the multiplier. If you take 100 CJC and 100 GHRP you end up with 10K GH. If you take just 100GHRP you may end up with 0 GH. Not so white and black, but you get the point.
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Interesting! I get it now.
 
Damn the joint pain on dermafury is intense. It would make a nice stack with deca. Or eq.
 
Im gaining a good amount of mass while staying lean on dermafury and tren. I attribute this mainly to tren but I see noticeable benefits from when the dermafury is being dosed. Added vadcularity ect.
 
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