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questions on halo/epi stack pct recovery in progress

lifterdudeguy

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First let me start off my saying i didnt know what i was getting into and didnt do much research and know anything since about week 6-7. A trusted friend of mine had me do this and once i realized what i was in for i scrambled tto correct it. Hes done this for 12 weeks, twice before with no pct and never had any sides... besides the point. Now i know. Ive done hours of research through this.

I did halodrol 50g a day and epistane 30g a day for 8.5 weeks going through 2 bottles. Did an extra week bc i had to wait on the serm to come in the mail so i extended the cycle for a week. Healthiest choice. Took milk thistle, fish oil, multis protein, preworkout, nitric oxide during cycle.

My sides which alarmed me was my lowered sex drive around week 6 and 7. Could still get up for sex but had no desire.

Pct was (im middle of week 3)
clomid 100/50/0/0
Torem 120/90/60/60
Usp labs DAA 3000g/day
Otc liver support
Policosinol
DHEA

Started taking resveratrol (not reversitol) and finaflex revolution black (an otc pct, ai with arimistane) a couple days ago and will continue until the bottles r gone after about 4 more weeks.

I was feeling pretty lethargic towards end of cycle and im getting energy back now. Lethargy could be due to the serms... and my depleted neurotransmitters.

Anyway with how my pct is looking should i return to my normal self? I think im fine but it will just take time to recover due to stacking two ph's at that length. But my sex drive is still low, though i feel has improved a little since pct start. But before i did this i could stay hard and get off multiple times and now i dont really desire it and when it happpens its one and done. Im concerned and worried i did permanent damage.

Was my first cycle. Im 186, 5 foot 9 in, 23 years old. Been lifting for years. Bench max is 310 to give u an idea. Started at 177lbs peaked at 190 now im sitting at 186.

Had i listened to my idiot friend who did not have my best interests in mind i would have been on cycle another 4 weeks. I won go into that situation but i realized the reality of what i was doig and immediately took action to correct it and pct to recover. What i need is some critique, advice, similar stories and outcomes, or worda of wisdom and reassurment. Just want my old sex drive back and im thinking i just have to ride out the storm.

Getting bloodwork done when pct is over.

Thanks for not flaming me for my ignorance. Didnt know...
 
You are in the middle of week three of your pct. give your body time to heal you are worrying too much. Your drive will come back (hopefully) in time. Could take longer than four weeks. Do you have a gf or someone you fu<k regularly?
 
Yeah thats what im thinking. Like i said just need to ride the storm i figured. Stacked 2 ph for too long so it will take longer than normal to get back. Yeah i have a girlfriend. I told her whats going on so she knows whats up its all good. I just needed to hear from it from someone experienced.

Forgot to mention i have Dpol and another thing of clomid coming in case i need to extend the pct passed 4 weeks. Ill prob take the dpol regardless once the usp labs daa bottle runs out. Thanks for the quick reply really puts my mind at ease. Been researching a lot the past couple weeks and have read too many horror stories
 
I think you will feel better after another week or so just try to screw your gf as much as possible lol that's what I try to do during pct seems to help some maybe more mentally than anything but it helps and fun too
 
Get the DHEA out of PCT.

To often ppl freak out when their not 100% after 2-3 weeks. Remember you just "temporarily altered" your hormones for almost nine weeks. Now, you're in PCT (another hormonal roller coaster). Personally, I would of went this route:


Torem 120/90/90/60/60
Nolva 0/20/20/10/10/10
NMDA

Can keep the liver support up.
 
Yeah thats what ive been doing. Not nearly as much as normal though. But even at the end of my cycle i could still get it up. Barely tho, and no fun. But I think the fact that my overall sides besides libido were nonexistent and that ive kept most of my gains is a good sign. Shows my test is probably back up an runnin increasingly more and more. I think i had a little morning wood this morning. That or it was just a dream lol

If im not back to pretty much normal at the end of the 4 weeks do u think i should start up clomid again for 2-3 weeks at 20mg or something to extend my serm? Keep in mind i started taking the revolution black 3 capsules a day (150mg of arimistane total)
 
I mean had i done all the research before hand i prob would have just run epi for 5 weeks for my first cycle with a proper pct with clomid or nolva and it would have been great. I dont know what the severity of stacking two ph's is- not so much on my liver bc i understood that but not really as it relates to the guys downstairs. Figured its either really bad or just the same affect as one. I have no idea u know. No one really does since theres no scientific research. Just trying to get as much opinion as possible and hear that i shouldnt worry as much as i am. Feel so stupid to be another one of these "oh no what have i done" forum posters. So thanks i appreciate the feedback.

Where i got my serm from online doesnt have the torem anymore for some reason and no nolva just the clomid so i got another of clomid just in case.
 
lifterdudeguy said:
Yeah thats what ive been doing. Not nearly as much as normal though. But even at the end of my cycle i could still get it up. Barely tho, and no fun. But I think the fact that my overall sides besides libido were nonexistent and that ive kept most of my gains is a good sign. Shows my test is probably back up an runnin increasingly more and more. I think i had a little morning wood this morning. That or it was just a dream lol

If im not back to pretty much normal at the end of the 4 weeks do u think i should start up clomid again for 2-3 weeks at 20mg or something to extend my serm? Keep in mind i started taking the revolution black 3 capsules a day (150mg of arimistane total)
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Drop the revolution black to 1-2 caps, that's too much arimistane. That can kill your libido in itself and crush your cortisol which will also negatively affect u. I'd run the clomid at 25mg from here on out now.
 
lifterdudeguy said:
I mean had i done all the research before hand i prob would have just run epi for 5 weeks for my first cycle with a proper pct with clomid or nolva and it would have been great. I dont know what the severity of stacking two ph's is- not so much on my liver bc i understood that but not really as it relates to the guys downstairs. Figured its either really bad or just the same affect as one. I have no idea u know. No one really does since theres no scientific research. Just trying to get as much opinion as possible and hear that i shouldnt worry as much as i am. Feel so stupid to be another one of these "oh no what have i done" forum posters. So thanks i appreciate the feedback.
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You're not in that bad of shape brah, you'll b fine in a few weeks I'm sure. It could've been worse, at least u ran SERMS.
 
Ok makes sense. Thanks stri8ed

And yeah. Ive read about 19 year olds and who not that ran gear for 12 weeks + and like tren and sh!t with no serm at all, ha. Makes me feel better... cant imagine being on trt at 23 cuz i ****ed up my own endocrine system. Your guys words r a sigh of releif. Just love my nuts too much to wonder on my own what will happen these next few weeks so thanks for your input and suggestions once again
 
Someone else recommended 5-htp i think it was and tyrosine to help with my neurotransmitters that are all exhausted right now. Any thoughts on that?
 
finished my last day of week 4 of PCT/stopped taking serm a couple days ago. I feel pretty much back to normal. At least 90-95 percent I'd say. I'm gonna drop the Revotion black now too I just don't think its necessary anymore but I'm not sure. If im almost back to normal 100 percent then why **** with my hormones anymore by blocking estrogen with an AI. Took some HTP but I'm going to drop that now too and save it for a later cycle. Same for the revolution black ill just save it all for next cycle.... Im going to continue liver support with milk thistle still for a couple waksa nd use the rest of the policosiol. Thoughts?

I got a physical a few days ago and got my blood taken so I'll see if my liver is good to go and everything else is alright. Not sure if my hormone counts will be on it or not. I just got it because my girlfriend did at her familys doctor with her mom when I was away with her for the holidays 400 miles away and didn't want to tell the doctor anything lol

I was way too worried before. But given the situation I couldn't help it. Thanks for all the advice just thought id update

Edit: Also I forgot to ask, I took all the usp labs DAA 3000mg a day and got my Dpol that came in the mail. Should I use to Dpol now for the 4 week worth container? or save it for a later cycle. I'm probably going to take it based on what ive read online.
 
lifterdudeguy said:
finished my last day of week 4 of PCT/stopped taking serm a couple days ago. I feel pretty much back to normal. At least 90-95 percent I'd say. I'm gonna drop the Revotion black now too I just don't think its necessary anymore but I'm not sure. If im almost back to normal 100 percent then why **** with my hormones anymore by blocking estrogen with an AI. Took some HTP but I'm going to drop that now too and save it for a later cycle. Same for the revolution black ill just save it all for next cycle.... Im going to continue liver support with milk thistle still for a couple waksa nd use the rest of the policosiol. Thoughts?

I got a physical a few days ago and got my blood taken so I'll see if my liver is good to go and everything else is alright. Not sure if my hormone counts will be on it or not. I just got it because my girlfriend did at her familys doctor with her mom when I was away with her for the holidays 400 miles away and didn't want to tell the doctor anything lol

I was way too worried before. But given the situation I couldn't help it. Thanks for all the advice just thought id update

Edit: Also I forgot to ask, I took all the usp labs DAA 3000mg a day and got my Dpol that came in the mail. Should I use to Dpol now for the 4 week worth container? or save it for a later cycle. I'm probably going to take it based on what ive read online.
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U can take the cycle supports just for good measure but save the DAA for next time. I'm glad u had a good recovery brah.
 
alright here I am a month later.

I feel back to normal, no depressive feeling, no fatigue, normal mood, kept pretty much all my mass gains and strength. But my libido is still at like 90 percent I would say. I can have sex and have no problem and desire it but I wouldnt say I desire it as much as normal. I dont get as hard I dont think. I can just tell I'm still not the same as I was before this epic prohormone saga. I used to be a total hornball sex fiend and now I just feel more mellow and not as much as a hornball. If this was a permanent change I could live with it but it would really suck I want the old horny bastard back in tip top shape.

What should I do?

I have 2 tubs of dpol
I bought 2 bottles of Tforce (chose it over activate xtreme)
still have almost the whole bottle of my revolution black by finaflex (otc ai)
and an unopened bottle of clomid

Should I run any of those or stack any of those? I've been off all cycle and pct supps for 3-4 weeks now just taking protein, multi, ect basic stuff.

I understand test not only plays a role in sex drive but also things like dhea and estradiol and DHT. So using a test booster might not be the answer.

Thoughts?

I've also thought about how my body could still be slowly recovering the last 10 percent or so and it might take me another month or two to really reach the norm where I used to be say 1 year ago before all of this. Again, everything seems completely normal except i notice i'm less of a sex fiend. My friend who knows a little said complete recovery from a prohormone or gear could take up to ~5 months after pct. So should I just wait and be patient?

sex hormone panel bloodwork i have not gotten yet and is not an option right now. my liver enzymes are normal though.

any feedback I appreciate. Hope I feel better and back to the way I used to be here soon.
 
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