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Question on SERM Length of Use

WifeSlapTed

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So, I'm getting gear for my first cycle from a friend who has dealt with this source before. He said I am getting 10 weeks Test (to be determined what type), 6 weeks of Dbol and 6 weeks of Novadex, which is the cycle my friend just completed, except that he also did Winny.

I understand the concept of PCT and will be using HCG, Novadex, and Tribulus Terrestris to kickstart the HPT axis for natural testosterone production. Milk Thistle for the liver and also some form of heart protection since Dbol is rough on cholesterol levels.

This is my main question: as soon as I begin exogenous testosterone introduction, the elevated testosterone can convert into estrogen even with Novadex, because it is just a SERM, not an AI.

So, to my logic, why don't you need to use Novadex and an AI throughout the entire cycle, and not just PCT? I would think I would need 10 weeks of Test, 6 of Dbol, and 14 weeks of Novadex, but I KNOW that's not the protocol actually followed and I'm wondering why.

I truly have read a lot about AAS on my own and am not simply being lazy, but any input would be appreciated.
 
The AI will control estro on cycle, no need for nolva on cycle.

4 weeks nolva for PCT. I prefer clomid for PCT though with some natty test boosters and some other things i throw in as well.

Also use the HCG on cycle as well, not in PCT.
 
So, what you are saying, is that before I start I need to get an AI, because with my current supplies, all I have is Novadex, Dbol, and Test. Thank you.
 
Again, thank you for the input.

Last question, I promise : )

Will OTC AI's work all right? I keep reading about AI's and Triazole and Erase are coming up in a lot of threads. I'd rather err on the side of caution and use something that prevents aromatisation if possible.
 
Use hcg ON cycle 250mg 2-3x per week to maintain LH sensitivity at the testicles - Discontinue use at the start of PCT so that the LH (which is suppressive itself) does not interfere with the recovery of the hypothalamus or pituitary.

The AI should be used ON cycle as well to keep the elevated Testosterone levels from producing unwanted side effects, namely gynecomastia. I would titrate the dose based on sides - some people can dose T just fine without an AI, others would get gyno SUPER fast.

A SERM on cycle may block some of the suppression at the hypothalamus or pituitary (Invalid Link Removed) but you still would need a PCT protocol, and so I would prefer not to use a SERM on cycle.

The SERM in PCT will stimulate endogenous LH production while keeping the high levels of circulating estrogen that you may experience (This is actually a good reason to not use high dose AI on cycle, no estrogen rebound). My personal favorite is Clomid, after having tried nolva, torem, and clomid. 100 for the first few days to a week, then 50 continuous until you're almost out, then 25 (half a pill) per day for the last week or 5 days. Have some AI on hand, your hpta should be fully restarted, but if the estrogen is high or the T is low you can continue PCT with an AI.

I also like 2-3 pills of NOW fenugreek before bed in the first 2 or so weeks of PCT (5 on 2 off) I find it helps with libido and recovery.

OTC AIs are pretty effective. I'm a 6-bromo fan, personally, but hear nothing but good things about ERASE.
 
Thank you so much. That was exactly what I was looking for. Time to rally up some OTC AI and HCG and get this in gear.
 
LOL Well, since this isn't getting much commentary about the HCG, I'll just ask if the oral drops that are advertised to order are as effective as the injectable? I know that there will be the first pass effect, but I was wondering if I could use the oral drops as PCT.
 
Lol hcg is an injectable bro. You source should have it. You need o mix it in BW and put in a vial in fridge. Hcggenerate and other OTC products that use the name are not at all the same.

Hcg is not need on a 10 weeker however it will make pct a little easier.

I like you cycle it's simple and effective enough for anyone who has a good program to grow on. Nolva is only need if gyno is a problem for you. You have no way of knowing that as it is your first cycle. Some people use it as a preventative which it works fine as and is easy on lipids unlike an AI. And AI will actually get rid of your estrogen causeing dryiness, sore joints and prevents gyno. Most people low dose an AI on cycle if they are run ing test real high. If your running a biginers dose of 500mg ew you prob won't have to worry about it. An OTC AI should be enough if you want to stay a little dryier.

With nolva on hand you should be good. Order some extra nolva just in case as I went through a whole bottle to get rid of a lump under my nip from last cycle and I ended up having to rush some more out to me.
 
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