Q and A for Olympus labs OSTAR1NE

My halo went like crazy from week 3 on strength-wise. You should have read everything, bw didn't change a lot, but lost some bodyfat, strength went through the roof. Why would you think I'd order OL again if it was bunk?

Get your s*** together please and make up your memory. BTW after PCT I lost only around 5% performance which I got back a while after hormone levels were restored. Just as a small summary.

As a result of this I ordered another bottle of Halo-100, but from Olympus UK. My Ostarine is from OL.

So nope, no trolling here. What especially caught my attention, is that the bloodwork did not show a downshift in leukocytes, especially in monocytes which is a clear indicator of real ostarine.
Other than that it was to expect that LH, FSH and free test wouldn't change.

But the missing Ostarine pump as well as the missing leukocyte downshift is not typical.

Plus in other forums I have read that osta from an old batch with white capsules did work while I have encountered two European logs where the blue capsules did not do much, one also accompanied with similar blood results to mine.

My training and nutrition is more on point that you would think btw
 
Ok, if you think there is 5mg osta inside every single of those pills. Then what else is inside them?

After some weeks on cycle, just out of curiosity I opened two of the capsules and they were not filled to the same extent, around 15-20% difference. I did not repeat it with other capsules though, because I didn't want to spill the stuff. Anyway, the content tasted like nothing and was not equally filled. So there is either some filling agent inside along woth 5mg of something or it is just a varying content of "something"

My scale can measure just in 10mg increments, so I can't even check the weight of the powder inside with enough accuracy to see if maybe it is always the same weight but on one case more dense than in the other
 
nighthawk. said:
My halo went like crazy from week 3 on strength-wise. You should have read everything, bw didn't change a lot, but lost some bodyfat, strength went through the roof. Why would you think I'd order OL again if it was bunk?

Get your s*** together please and make up your memory. BTW after PCT I lost only around 5% performance which I got back a while after hormone levels were restored. Just as a small summary.

As a result of this I ordered another bottle of Halo-100, but from Olympus UK. My Ostarine is from OL.

So nope, no trolling here. What especially caught my attention, is that the bloodwork did not show a downshift in leukocytes, especially in monocytes which is a clear indicator of real ostarine.
Other than that it was to expect that LH, FSH and free test wouldn't change.

But the missing Ostarine pump as well as the missing leukocyte downshift is not typical.

Plus in other forums I have read that osta from an old batch with white capsules did work while I have encountered two European logs where the blue capsules did not do much, one also accompanied with similar blood results to mine.

My training and nutrition is more on point that you would think btw
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Yep, you're a gigantic monster that lifts every weight in the gym but refused to put up pics and disappeared after the subject came up multiple times. Being a non responder to osta is not unheard of but I wouldn't believe a single word that you say on these forums just based on your previous statements and actions. Post some pics, post some bloodwork, post something remotely credible and then maybe you will be taken seriously.
nbshazeezee remember this dude?
 
nighthawk. said:
Ok, if you think there is 5mg osta inside every single of those pills. Then what else is inside them?

After some weeks on cycle, just out of curiosity I opened two of the capsules and they were not filled to the same extent, around 15-20% difference. I did not repeat it with other capsules though, because I didn't want to spill the stuff. Anyway, the content tasted like nothing and was not equally filled. So there is either some filling agent inside along woth 5mg of something or it is just a varying content of "something"

My scale can measure just in 10mg increments, so I can't even check the weight of the powder inside with enough accuracy to see if maybe it is always the same weight but on one case more dense than in the other
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Uhh....rice flower...*facepalm*

.01mg scales are rediculously cheap so buy a set and double check your eyes homie
 
There might be nonresponders. But it is impossible to not respond in the blood results.

Well, back then the only problem was, that I commented on a guys thread that took like 4 orals plus trenbolone+testosterone and I called him irresponsible and not looking good enough for his stack. I still think his way of doing a cycle is wrong and suicidal. This is completely off topic and has nothing to do with ostarine. I did my log thoroughly but people were biased because they thought I was a troll for calling out the stupidity of a serious substance abuser. I got a lot of PMs that gave me props for my words but also said I will be never taken serious again on this forum be cause that's the way many people are here. They seemed to be right.

Oh, and I am sure it is no rice flour. And you know why there are no photos? You know something that is called privacy?
I am not claiming some bull**** here, I have pre and on cycle bloods with so small variations between them that it can't not be related to any substance.
In this case I am lucky and unlucky to be perfectly healthy (what an irony)
 
It is funny to what extent it is tried to discredit me. I have the feeling I have to abuse every substance without questioning it in order to get respect here. Anyway I would like to have a statement of one of the OL employees why I have no response in bloodlevels.

I don't combine the intake with coffee or dairy products, as an additional info
 
Muscolo said:
How is it possible then that both me and others we did not get results? Can you explain this?
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Do you have the blue or white pills? Without exception I hear that white pills worked very very well. Did you have bloods taken?

You should notice a decrease in monocytes, granulocytes, a dose-independent decrease of total testosterone, a small to none change in free test, non or small INCREASE in LH, lower HDL and higher LDL.

Only thing that meets these criteria for me is the HDL/LDL change, but it is so minor that the change is smaller than variations in bloodwork while completely off cycle
 
Yeah, and OL said, "Let's play a trick on everybody. We'll put real Ostarine in the blue pills, and only rice flour in the white ones. They'll never know the difference. But we will. Because that's what we want to happen. Bunch of bad results tied to a certain color capsule."

LOGIC!!!!
 
It is explainable that I might not respond to my low dose with strength and mass increases.

It is not explainable however, that is do not respond to dose-independent parameters in blood levels.

We have to bring back in our memories that 50% of the results can be achieved with 1.8mg ostarine daily based on clinical trials. With higher doses it is a saturation curve. At 20mg I should be at over 80% and with the last day of 15mg, after which bloods were taken I should see the impact on total test and leukocytes
 
nighthawk. said:
It is funny to what extent it is tried to discredit me. I have the feeling I have to abuse every substance without questioning it in order to get respect here. Anyway I would like to have a statement of one of the OL employees why I have no response in bloodlevels.

I don't combine the intake with coffee or dairy products, as an additional info
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I work for OL. Post before and after bloods if you even want to be taken seriously. I would be more than happy to make a statement. I try to discredit you because of your previous posts on this forum. Ask around about me, I give credit AND discredit where it's due.
 
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Ok, you discredit me because I called a guy stupid who is going to kill himself soon. Ok, there be it.

Then you try to discredit me for my halodrol cycle that didn't kick in for 3 weeks, and then you stopped reading when it really started to go down. I repeat again, I haven't been on steroids before so I did not know what to expect. In the end I was more than happy with the cycle and I do not regret it, this is why I ordered halo-100 again. I also had some of your non hormonal products and I was also very pleased.

But for the ostarine I am not pleased. While visible effects and side effects might not occur for anybody, the changes in blood levels should appear. After 35 days on 20mg I will do 2nd on cycle bloods again, this time with calcium levels as I skipped calcium on first on cycle bloodpanel. It would be an indicator for changed bone density. I don't expect it to change in healthy humans in young age though, that's why I skipped it
 
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What was your cycle dose/length, diet and training routine? Me and my wife had excellent results with that same exact osta. 15mg had me gaining strength in a 1000 calorie deficit with only 50g of carbs every day. My wife hit a new pr every time she entered the gym.
 
With that diet you would have gotten the same results without using precludes! I used eight weeks 3cpr lunch, dinner 3 cpr ... I tried other products such as epi and tr3n, that worked ... I understand if a product works ... This excludes not legit to me
 
Ostarine has a neglible androgenic effect, there shouldn't be expected to have one PR after another - for male athletes at least. For women it is another story because they usually don't do full intensity so they can expect a lot more.

But ostarine is not for women, because of it being a bicalutamid-derivative which is teratogenic. Before women use ostarine the 18mg trials in pre-menopausal women should be released first. You are at risk to get children with heavy defects.

For men I think the risk for teratogenic potential is lower because we rebuild our spermcount every 12-14 weeks, but women do not. Sarms for women should only be used if they are not bicalutamid derivatives like ostarine and If they have no 19-nor structure like yk-11.

In the end the alteration from bical to ostarine might be enough for not causing any effects, but I would be cautious.
If you and your wife have no desire to make children, then please forget what I just said!
 
Muscolo said:
With that diet you would have gotten the same results without using precludes! I used eight weeks 3cpr lunch, dinner 3 cpr ... I tried other products such as epi and tr3n, that worked ... I understand if a product works ... This excludes not legit to me
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So....I should have gained strength with practically no carbs and a 1000 calorie deficit?! I hope you didn't expect osta to work like epi/tren. What was your diet, training, and cycle goals whilst using osta? I'm not trying to discredit you in any way, just want to help figure out what went wrong.
 
And then let's be honest ... Finding preclude legit is very very difficult ... How to Find oxandrolone legit, it is almost impossible
 
Of course I also want to understand ? I continued my diet, usually, and also the workouts, just to see if I improved ... But nothing happened ... I was expecting a recomp.? I maybe wrong timing of intake? Thou hast taken after meals?
 
nighthawk. said:
Ostarine has a neglible androgenic effect, there shouldn't be expected to have one PR after another - for male athletes at least. For women it is another story because they usually don't do full intensity so they can expect a lot more.

But ostarine is not for women, because of it being a bicalutamid-derivative which is teratogenic. Before women use ostarine the 18mg trials in pre-menopausal women should be released first. You are at risk to get children with heavy defects.

For men I think the risk for teratogenic potential is lower because we rebuild our spermcount every 12-14 weeks, but women do not. Sarms for women should only be used if they are not bicalutamid derivatives like ostarine and If they have no 19-nor structure like yk-11.

In the end the alteration from bical to ostarine might be enough for not causing any effects, but I would be cautious.
If you and your wife have no desire to make children, then please forget what I just said!
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Me and wife are done having kids. You think I put her on something that I have no clue about? Come on dude, don't challenge me on ph/ds/sarm knowledge. I'm not in here calling you out for the fun of it. I think you need to look at my post history before you go any further. Do you think I would have the mother of my child on a ped that I had no clue about? Do you think I would have her using a product that I didn't know 100% for sure was legit osta?

I'm done responding to you until you post something that even remotely shows your credibility.
 
Muscolo said:
Of course I also want to understand �� I continued my diet, usually, and also the workouts, just to see if I improved ... But nothing happened ... I was expecting a recomp.�� I maybe wrong timing of intake? Thou hast taken after meals?
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The half life of ostarine is around 24h. One dose daily is enough. I would just not consume it with coffee or dairy. Other than that it should not make a difference.

There are liquid ostarine products in ethanol or in DMSO and they work just fine, not worse, note better
 
Muscolo said:
Of course I also want to understand �� I continued my diet, usually, and also the workouts, just to see if I improved ... But nothing happened ... I was expecting a recomp.�� I maybe wrong timing of intake? Thou hast taken after meals?
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Osta really shines in a cut, it is great at preserving muscle mass in a deficit. There are some much better sarm choices for bulk/recomp like rad, lgd, or even yk11. I have also tried to bulk/recomp on osta unsuccessfully. It was very frustrating and I too questioned the legitimacy of my osta. If you want, pm me any time and I can help you set up a cycle based on your current goals and diet.
 
nighthawk. said:
I am on mobile, I can't see your signature.

Ok, you discredit me because I called a guy stupid who is going to kill himself soon. Ok, there be it.

Then you try to discredit me for my halodrol cycle that didn't kick in for 3 weeks, and then you stopped reading when it really started to go down. I repeat again, I haven't been on steroids before so I did not know what to expect. In the end I was more than happy with the cycle and I do not regret it, this is why I ordered halo-100 again. I also had some of your non hormonal products and I was also very pleased.

But for the ostarine I am not pleased. While visible effects and side effects might not occur for anybody, the changes in blood levels should appear. After 35 days on 20mg I will do 2nd on cycle bloods again, this time with calcium levels as I skipped calcium on first on cycle bloodpanel. It would be an indicator for changed bone density. I don't expect it to change in healthy humans in young age though, that's why I skipped it
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Hey can you post a photocopied version of both bloods? Many thanks
 
Muscolo said:
Of course I also want to understand �� I continued my diet, usually, and also the workouts, just to see if I improved ... But nothing happened ... I was expecting a recomp.�� I maybe wrong timing of intake? Thou hast taken after meals?
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You can dose osta once a day, with or without food. That definitely isn't your issue.
 
I don't want to see this Q and A thread filled with too much more nonsense but feel free to Pm me the training routine and diet followed thought the course of your runs. That goes for anyone reading along as well. There can be a number of reasons why a person doesn't have great results but if an individual notices NOTHING and I mean NOTHING over such a lengthy cycle then there's something wrong in a few areas together and I'd like to help figure out why and how to more forward.
 
TheMovement said:
I don't want to see this Q and A thread filled with too much more nonsense but feel free to Pm me the training routine and diet followed thought the course of your runs. That goes for anyone reading along as well. There can be a number of reasons why a person doesn't have great results but if an individual notices NOTHING and I mean NOTHING over such a lengthy cycle then there's something wrong in a few areas together and I'd like to help figure out why and how to more forward.
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I completely agree and I apologize to everyone who is here to actually talk about osta.
 
yates84 said:
I completely agree and I apologize to everyone who is here to actually talk about osta.
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yates,

if you want to move this to another thread, no issues, but I believe this should be added to the discussion. I am sure there are woman who are older that may find use of this.

this does refer to ostra and nighthawk. your comment about not helping woman is a bit broad- this particular test pertains to Postmenopausal Women where it shows positive results-

GTx, Inc. (Nasdaq: GTXI) announced that Ostarine (GTx-024, formerly MK-2866) increased lean body mass and leg press strength in a head to head study evaluating Ostarine and another selective androgen receptor modulator (SARM), MK-3984, in postmenopausal women. The data were presented yesterday at the 2010 Annual Meeting of the Endocrine Society. GTx is developing its lead SARM, Ostarine, for the treatment of cancer induced muscle wasting (cancer cachexia).

“This is the third Ostarine clinical study that measured lean body mass and physical performance endpoints, and Ostarine has consistently demonstrated the ability to increase muscle mass and strength,” said Mitchell S. Steiner, MD, CEO of GTx. “We also continue to be pleased with Ostarine’s safety profile.”

The 12 week, randomized clinical trial evaluated Ostarine 3 mg and two doses of MK-3984 compared to placebo in 88 postmenopausal women. Total lean body mass was measured by DEXA at baseline and 12 weeks, and physical performance was evaluated at the same interval by bilateral leg press machine.

After 12 weeks of treatment, Ostarine 3 mg and MK-3984 significantly increased total lean body mass. Compared to placebo, mean differences from baseline for lean body mass were observed with increases of 1.54 kg (p value<0.001) for both Ostarine 3 mg and 50 mg of MK-3984 and an increase of 1.74 kg (p value<0.001) for 125 mg of MK-3984. Increases in thigh muscle volume as measured by MRI for Ostarine and MK-3984 were noted as early as week 4 with the effect persisting through the end of the study. Ostarine 3 mg and MK-3984 treatment resulted in an increase in leg muscle strength. Mean leg muscle strength at 12 weeks for Ostarine 3 mg treated subjects increased by 22 pounds from baseline.

Ostarine 3 mg and MK-3984 were tissue selective. Treatment did not cause virilization in these women, as there was no change in sebaceous gland volume, rate of sebum excretion, or hair follicle gene expression. Moreover, Ostarine 3 mg and MK-3984 did not stimulate endometrial proliferation as measured by endometrial thickness. As for safety, seven subjects treated with MK-3984 were discontinued from the study due to elevations in liver enzymes greater than three times the upper limit of normal, whereas no clinically significant liver enzyme elevations occurred in subjects treated with Ostarine.

In summary, 12 week treatment with Ostarine 3 mg and MK-3984 had comparable efficacy on total lean body mass, muscle strength and tissue selectivity in postmenopausal women. Ostarine 3 mg was well tolerated with no clinically significant liver enzyme elevations.
 
NoAddedHmones said:
Hey can you post a photocopied version of both bloods? Many thanks
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Hi, yes I will. My lab however includes the last 5 bloods on the same sheet, so you would also be able to see the pre-halodrol bloods, the on-halodrol bloods, several months post halodrol, pre-osta, and on-osta bloods. only the last 2 will be relevant for us.

as soon as i get to a scanner, i will upload them, is there anything else specific that i need? do i have to upload them through a different site and insert with IMG html orders or can i upload direct through this board?
 
nighthawk. said:
Hi, yes I will. My lab however includes the last 5 bloods on the same sheet, so you would also be able to see the pre-halodrol bloods, the on-halodrol bloods, several months post halodrol, pre-osta, and on-osta bloods. only the last 2 will be relevant for us.

as soon as i get to a scanner, i will upload them, is there anything else specific that i need? do i have to upload them through a different site and insert with IMG html orders or can i upload direct through this board?
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Sounds good, just upload as picture and should be good to go.
 
Been going over a grip of threads and would like to get a couple questions answered. I'm starting ostar1ne in a couple weeks for a cut and i have 2 bottles of alphamax on hand. Can I use this as an OCT it needed? If not what is recommended to run along side of ostar1ne? Dont want to take any chances. Will be running 20mg for 8 strait weeks. Also I've been taking EC and norcodrene so is that something that I can continue or just stop it? I will be pct3x at the end of the run. Thanks guys for any input.
 
Stickerflick said:
Been going over a grip of threads and would like to get a couple questions answered. I'm starting ostar1ne in a couple weeks for a cut and i have 2 bottles of alphamax on hand. Can I use this as an OCT it needed? If not what is recommended to run along side of ostar1ne? Dont want to take any chances. Will be running 20mg for 8 strait weeks. Also I've been taking EC and norcodrene so is that something that I can continue or just stop it? I will be pct3x at the end of the run. Thanks guys for any input.
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Use it as a what? OCT?
 
October, my bad, fat fingered it. Would alphamax be good to run along side of ostar1ne, if slight suppression starts to kick in.
 
Stickerflick said:
October, my bad, fat fingered it. Would alphamax be good to run along side of ostar1ne, if slight suppression starts to kick in.
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So then you would be saying, "Can I use this as an October". That still doesn't make any sense. What do you mean by slight suppression?. Ostarine will shut you down just like any other anabolic.
 
Stickerflick said:
Been going over a grip of threads and would like to get a couple questions answered. I'm starting ostar1ne in a couple weeks for a cut and i have 2 bottles of alphamax on hand. Can I use this as an OCT it needed? If not what is recommended to run along side of ostar1ne? Dont want to take any chances. Will be running 20mg for 8 strait weeks. Also I've been taking EC and norcodrene so is that something that I can continue or just stop it? I will be pct3x at the end of the run. Thanks guys for any input.
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Stickerflick said:
October, my bad, fat fingered it. Would alphamax be good to run along side of ostar1ne, if slight suppression starts to kick in.
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So you meant to say "can I use this as an October if needed?" Sorry, I'm still confused.
If you're asking if you can use Alphamax as a "test" base, then no. You need something like 4-andro, dermacrine, or epiandrosterone. Save the Alphamax to use after PCT in my opinion.
Also, you should get a SERM for PCT, a natural test booster isn't really going to help you recover your natural hormone levels efficiently.
 
Great, thanks for the info. Their is so much hit and miss about a proper run that i was getting confused on a couple supps. Some people were using alphamax along side of ostar1ne and I wanted to ask the question myself. Oh, I was being sarcastic with OTC=October because of auto corrrct. Fml.
 
Stickerflick said:
Great, thanks for the info. Their is so much hit and miss about a proper run that i was getting confused on a couple supps. Some people were using alphamax along side of ostar1ne and I wanted to ask the question myself. Oh, I was being sarcastic with OTC=October because of auto corrrct. Fml.
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Ostarine is a drug not a supplement.
 
Stickerflick said:
Great, thanks for the info. Their is so much hit and miss about a proper run that i was getting confused on a couple supps. Some people were using alphamax along side of ostar1ne and I wanted to ask the question myself. Oh, I was being sarcastic with OTC=October because of auto corrrct. Fml.
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Lol gotcha. Yeah as far as natty test boosters go, the only use I see for them is between cycles and MAYBE in PCT to help with maintaining libido and alpha feeling/aggression.
 
I gave my buddy my stash of ostar1ne for his birthday. He is 3 weeks in at 15mg.

He is steadily losing some weight but his overall look is pumped to say the least.

He thanked me yesterday for his best present ever! Lol.
 
i was hoping to use epiandro just for 2 weeks to reduce the water retention/bloat
but i think ill leave it as im not plannign a long pct
 
Toff said:
i was hoping to use epiandro just for 2 weeks to reduce the water retention/bloat
but i think ill leave it as im not plannign a long pct
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Epiandro for only two weeks is a waste of product. Why would you only run 2 weeks?
 
I am getting ready for a 8 week run with Ostarine at 15mg . When I ordered didn't see and blogs about suppression. Will OL sup3r and maybe LJ100 instead of Clomid and nolva? Can't seem to find a legimate site for the 2
 
pharrison1 said:
I am getting ready for a 8 week run with Ostarine at 15mg . When I ordered didn't see and blogs about suppression. Will OL sup3r and maybe LJ100 instead of Clomid and nolva? Can't seem to find a legimate site for the 2
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The best way to run a Ostarine cycle is to add Epiandrosterone..
 
pharrison1 said:
I am getting ready for a 8 week run with Ostarine at 15mg . When I ordered didn't see and blogs about suppression. Will OL sup3r and maybe LJ100 instead of Clomid and nolva? Can't seem to find a legimate site for the 2
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You definately need a SERM on PCT and maybe an AI on cycle if you are unlucky. Ostarine will shut down/suppress your testosterone production.
 
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