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Q & A FOR OR1GIN

jh1 said:
That sounds like another pct product... But previous posts have indicated it would be a good anabolic to stack with Or1gin... So yeah... Darn confusing hints.
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You don't use anabolics in pct?
 
I guess more accurately, I don't use PCT specific products (i.e. Sup3r pct) as natty anabolics.....but if it's natty, anabolic and produced by OL, I'm game to try it
 
Man, I just wanna do a flat out badass natty stack for 24 weeks.

Something like

Whole Cycle
OR1GIN-Weeks 1-24
Follidrone 2.0-Weeks 1-24
Tr1umph-Weeks 1-24
First 12 weeks
Test1fy-Weeks 1-12

Second 12 weeks
TD Str3ngth Unleadhed Weeks 12-24
X-Gels Weeks 12-24

Would adding something like Iron Legion Virtus in weeks 12-24 be good too? Any other ideas of what to add that would compliment everything else? Money isn't much of an issue.
 
Back on Robuvit (ribosomal biogenesis), just published:


Synchronous deficits in cumulative muscle protein synthesis and ribosomal biogenesis underlie age-related anabolic resistance to exercise in humans.
Brook MS1, Wilkinson DJ1, Mitchell WK1,2, Lund JN1,2, Phillips BE1, Szewczyk NJ1, Greenhaff PL1, Smith K1, Atherton PJ3.
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Abstract
Aging is associated with impaired hypertrophic responses to resistance exercise training (RET). Here we investigated the aetiology of "anabolic resistance" in older humans. Twenty healthy male individuals (10 younger (Y: 23 ± 1y)), 10 older (O: 69 ± 3y)) performed 6-wks unilateral RET (6×8 repetition, 75%-1RM 3.wk-1 ). After baseline bilateral vastus lateralis (VL) muscle biopsies, subjects consumed 150 ml D2 O (70-Atom%; thereafter 50ml·wk-1 ), further bilateral VL muscle biopsies were taken at 3-and-6-weeks to quantify muscle protein synthesis (MPS) via gas chromatography-pyrolysis-isotope-ratio mass spectrometry. After RET, 1-RM increased in Y: +35 ± 4% and O: +25 ± 3% (P < 0.01), while MVC increased in Y: +21 ± 5% (P < 0.01) but not O: +6 ± 3% (P = NS). In comparison to Y, O displayed blunted RET-induced increases in muscle thickness (Y: +8 ± 1% and +11 ± 2% (P < 0.01) vs. O: +2.6 ± 1% and +3.5 ± 2%, (P = NS) at 3 and 6-wks, respectively). While "basal" longer-term MPS was identical between Y and O (∼1.35 ± 0.1%d-1 ), MPS increased in response to RET only in Y (3-wks Y: 1.61 ± 0.1%.d-1 vs. O: 1.49 ± 0.1%.d-1 ). Consistent with this, O exhibited inferior ribosomal biogenesis (RNA: DNA-ratio and c-MYC induction, Y: +4 ± 2 vs. O: +1.9 ± 1), translational efficiency (S6K1 phosphorylation Y: +10 ± 4 vs. O: +4 ± 2). Anabolic resistance is thus, multifactorial.
 
xtyler i've heard so stories that after week 4, you can shoot lightening bolts out your arse. Can you confirm?

Just in time as i've only got about 3 months left of MK-677 any big differences I'll see or notice aside of the hunger on Origin?
Also curious on how many IU's of hgh this is comparable to as i believe MK-677 at 25mg ED was something like 5-6iu's from what i remember.
 
WAF said:
xtyler i've heard so stories that after week 4, you can shoot lightening bolts out your arse. Can you confirm?

Just in time as i've only got about 3 months left of MK-677 any big differences I'll see or notice aside of the hunger on Origin?
Also curious on how many IU's of hgh this is comparable to as i believe MK-677 at 25mg ED was something like 5-6iu's from what i remember.
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Why would u compare this to any hgh man?
 
NoAddedHmones said:
Since this product has literally not been released yet, there is no anecdotal feedback. xtyler and I have tested each ingredient extensively. Needless to say, we feel the effects of the product as a whole, is nothing sort of awesome. But the proof is in the pudding and time will definitely tell once people start using it.

Effects I noted:

- enhanced appetite
- much much smoother digestion even on silly high calories
- increased muscle fullness
- enhanced recovery
- enhanced sleep
- increased strength
- increased weight gain rate
- well being feeling
- tingly fingers some mornings when waking...
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hamdysayed said:
Why would u compare this to any hgh man?
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Maybe i missed something but these noted effects are very similar to HGH not sure what other product is comparable to. Not sure if it actually raises you GH levels. If I wanted that ill stick with a Kit or MK-677.
 
WAF said:
xtyler i've heard so stories that after week 4, you can shoot lightening bolts out your arse. Can you confirm?
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GNO can provide pics.
hamdysayed said:
as far as natty goes.
yeah but not to be compared to mk677... Ithink they stressed that in few posts
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Or1gin shouldn't be compared to MK-677 and MK-677 shouldn't be compared to HGH if you ask me. They all have their own peculiar features and IMO they're far from interchangeable.

On a side note, there's no way " X dose of Ibutamoren is as good as X amount of exogenous HGH" can be stated, since MK stimulates your own Growth Hormone release and one's response can vary immensely.
 
xtyler said:
GNO can provide pics.


Or1gin shouldn't be compared to MK-677 and MK-677 shouldn't be compared to HGH if you ask me. They all have their own peculiar features and IMO they're far from interchangeable.

On a side note, there's no way " X dose of Ibutamoren is as good as X amount of exogenous HGH" can be stated, since MK stimulates your own Growth Hormone release and one's response can vary immensely.
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This!
Perfectly said!
Its so fun when someone say taking x amount MK677 will be same as injecting 5iu Pharma GH daily. O'rly??? Bull....
 
Danes said:
This!
Perfectly said!
Its so fun when someone say taking x amount MK677 will be same as injecting 5iu Pharma GH daily. O'rly??? Bull....
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Why so much fun? Not everyone plays the I know it all routine this is why people ask questions. This is what I seen in previous threads on AM about the IU relationship between mk-677 and hgh injections I understand it modulates your release not the same. Maybe there's new info but that's what I seen earlier this year.
xtyler thanks for the information without any attitude.....one reason I took a break from AM. I see things haven't changed much here in that regards.
 
WAF said:
Why so much fun? Not everyone plays the I know it all routine this is why people ask questions. This is what I seen in previous threads on AM about the IU relationship between mk-677 and hgh injections I understand it modulates your release not the same. Maybe there's new info but that's what I seen earlier this year.
xtyler thanks for the information without any attitude.....one reason I took a break from AM. I see things haven't changed much here in that regards.
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I am not refering to your post at all, but some idiots (some of company owners) saying so much bull$hit ++.
 
WAF, I can in all fairness confirm that Danes wasn't referring to you/your post (long discussion via PM...). It's all good guys :)
 
Danes said:
I am not refering to your post at all, but some idiots (some of company owners) saying so much bull$hit ++.
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Oh I figured since I asked about a comparison that was directed to me.

No worries at all at Danes and xtyler.
Thought I stepped on someone's toes there guess there's a story behind it.
 
xtyler said:
WAF, I can in all fairness confirm that Danes wasn't referring to you/your post (long discussion via PM...). It's all good guys :)
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OL Peacemaker :cheers:

We don't have to pay you more that for right? as NewAgeMayan would say Pro-Boner
 
really tempted to grab some of this to stack with my test1fy when it arrives from Nutriverse

living in the UK sucks for this kind of stuff haha shipping is Looooooooooooooooooooong :knockedout:
 
Lee_Westwood said:
really tempted to grab some of this to stack with my test1fy when it arrives from Nutriverse

living in the UK sucks for this kind of stuff haha shipping is Looooooooooooooooooooong :knockedout:
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but the gains will be so huuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge!
 
vascopro said:
Starting Testify tomorrow!!

Waiting for Origin...
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Also waiting for origin and im super excited to start along with my tr1umph which is filling me out nicely. Test1fy on the other hand did not deliver at all and I was so disappointed with the 8 week run compared to my 8 week run of Alphamax XT but these things happen from time to time.
 
jt75 said:
Also waiting for origin and im super excited to start along with my tr1umph which is filling me out nicely. Test1fy on the other hand did not deliver at all and I was so disappointed with the 8 week run compared to my 8 week run of Alphamax XT but these things happen from time to time.
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how different were you diet and training to alpha max though? and how long was the gap between the two product cycles? if your levels were already elevated from the XT then obviously the testify would be less noticable
 
Diet was actually better on Test1fy but training volume and content was the same. Still felt good due to the ashwagandha but strength didn't increase and libido had a small increase. Bought 3 bottles and ran 2 and gave a friend the other one and he didn't report anything out of the ordinary either.
 
jt75 said:
Diet was actually better on Test1fy but training volume and content was the same. Still felt good due to the ashwagandha but strength didn't increase and libido had a small increase. Bought 3 bottles and ran 2 and gave a friend the other one and he didn't report anything out of the ordinary either.
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i see what you mean mate.. a lot of guys that have used PH's or anabolics will always notice much less effects mind.. not sure if you have or not but something to consider ..

after my first PH cycle about 4 years ago i decided to run Taurotest by anabolic designs and i might as well of been taking asprin haha
 
Lee_Westwood said:
i see what you mean mate.. a lot of guys that have used PH's or anabolics will always notice much less effects mind.. not sure if you have or not but something to consider ..

after my first PH cycle about 4 years ago i decided to run Taurotest by anabolic designs and i might as well of been taking asprin haha
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Yeah but I hadn't taken any anabolics or ph's
 
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