Q&A For OL UK SUP3R-7

Tylerclee said:
Does dosage time matter very much for Sup3r 7, or just make sure you dose every day?
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Not critical...just avoid minutes with waking when you don't want to lower cortisol
 
I have been taking S7, SS and IG for the past week. Here are the snippets around body weight and other relevant changes taken from my workout log for the time. All measurements are taken first thing in the morning immediately upon waking. Waistline == the widest spot on my midsection, just below my belly button, not where my pants waistband sits. It encompasses the flanks (love handles).

2/15 195.4 and 37" waistline
2/16 No Meaurements ** Started Sup3r-7 (nighttime full dose, 2 capsules)
2/17 195.2 lbs and 36.5"
2/17 ** Started Sup3r-Shred (2 morning/3 afternoon - Because I typically have a quad shot espresso in the morning)
2/18 195.2 lbs and 36.5"
2/19 194.0 and my waistline up to a hair over 37"
2/19 ** Stopped Creatine / Last dose of Sup3r-2 (8 week run) / Started Ignit3
2/20 192.2 lbs <I didn't measure my waistline>
2/20 ** Started caloric restriction
2/21 191.6 lbs waistline: 35 3/4"
2/22 190.6 this morning. Waistline is relatively unchanged, hovering around 35 3/4
2/23 190.2 this morning, waistline however crept up a little to just under 36"
2/24 189.6 lbs and just under 36"

The weight is going down and I look leaner, but the waistline is not moving like I expected with the weight drop. So it must be water weight over the rest of my body. I do drink a BCAA drink at bedtime to try to help minimize muscle loss from the caloric restriction.
 
I'd argue that 6lbs and going from 36.5-37" to 35.75-36" in a week is actually pretty great. I'd assume some of the 6lbs is water weight because otherwise that'd be pretty ridiculous for a week, and I'm assuming this is the beginning of the cut. But nearly an inch off your waist in that amount of time is significant.

Thanks for the update!
 
About the waistline: probably some water Y holds. When you stop taking Y (from Ignit3), it will flush rapidly
 
VO2Maxima said:
I'd argue that 6lbs and going from 36.5-37" to 35.75-36" in a week is actually pretty great. I'd assume some of the 6lbs is water weight because otherwise that'd be pretty ridiculous for a week, and I'm assuming this is the beginning of the cut. But nearly an inch off your waist in that amount of time is significant.

Thanks for the update!
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Due to some life events and conflicts I have not been able to exercise at all this week. My last workout was Sunday morning (2/19). I can't wait until I can get back at it to see what progress I can make.

macwad said:
About the waistline: probably some water Y holds. When you stop taking Y (from Ignit3), it will flush rapidly
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Thanks, good to know. The waist did seem to go down then back up again (marginally) after I added Ignit3, even though the weight kept steadily declining
 
Today is my second day dosing Sup3r-7. On a 500 calorie deficit on a strict meal prepping diet. The deficit isnt killing me its the chicken and rice and asparagus every damn day.
 
htghunterray said:
Today is my second day dosing Sup3r-7. On a 500 calorie deficit on a strict meal prepping diet. The deficit isnt killing me its the chicken and rice and asparagus every damn day.
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Spice things up with some lean fish or turkey
 
htghunterray said:
Today is my second day dosing Sup3r-7. On a 500 calorie deficit on a strict meal prepping diet. The deficit isnt killing me its the chicken and rice and asparagus every damn day.
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Bro the trick is to be so fcking hungry by the time you eat your chicken that you just straight devour it... that's how I cut at least
 
mmorso said:
Bro the trick is to be so fcking hungry by the time you eat your chicken that you just straight devour it... that's how I cut at least
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Thats what im following too. I fast for between 12-16 hours and fit all my calories in a 4 hour gap. I destroy my bowl.
 
IF is my bread and butter for cutting weight. I drop water weight first, seriously about 7 pounds the first week then after that it's body fat.

I do keep carbs moderate then I'll do a low carb day then a high carb day then back to moderate.

In January i dropped 13 pounds. Easy.
 
Dosing/Timing.

I read that 7-Keto has a shirt half life, so wouldn't split dosing be better? GNO mentioned before bed, would possibly be best previously. However I read about its short half life? I'm not sure what is included in the product to help it be absorbed, or if it extends half life.

Perhaps post work out, and pre bed?
 
AdelV said:
Dosing/Timing.

I read that 7-Keto has a shirt half life, so wouldn't split dosing be better? GNO mentioned before bed, would possibly be best previously. However I read about its short half life? I'm not sure what is included in the product to help it be absorbed, or if it extends half life.

Perhaps post work out, and pre bed?
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That's what I'd do...later in evening to maximize on the cortisol lowering effect
 
GNO said:
That's what I'd do...later in evening to maximize on the cortisol lowering effect
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I train late evenings, so it makes sense for me to dose 1 post, and 2 pre bed.

I dosed 2 pre bed last night, I'm going to run to the mirror to see if I've learned up ? ? ?
 
I've been reading since this has a short half life the optimal dosing protocol should be split into twice a day. Or is that an antiquated train of thought?
 
nick76 said:
is 2 caps an effective enough dose, or will three be a lot better?
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Start at 2, should be sufficient. You can experiment with 3 but best to get a base to compare to
 
Ricky10 said:
I this true that Y can cause some water retention?
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In my experience, it's gone in ~4-5 days. I did a show a few years ago (so I was lean enough that any water retention was noticeable and easily differentiable versus fat), and I stopped using Y about a week out. Water retention was visibly down a few days before the show (granted I was also manipulating a few other things to change this dietary-wise). Also, that was Y HCl, not rauw, but I would expect the water retention to disappear similarly quickly. It's worth it for the fat loss benefits, IMO, just cut it out a few days before a show or photoshoot.
 
Ricky10 said:
I would have liked to have seen this as a mix of 7-Keto and b-AET. I would have purchased that without even thinking about it!
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No similar as a product? not likely to lower the cortisol too fast? that substantial difference are the two? 7keto b-AET
 
Synapsin said:
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i realize length of use has likely been beaten to death, and on the write up it says fine for longer use. but of course we cycle everything. so hypothetically for educational purposes.

is their a known negative feedback loop or any potential rebound/backlash for long term usage? fat storage prevention would be the (important) secondary goal for a long lean bulk.

i know for certain things theres obvious "bring yourself back to homeostasis" or x may happen. was just reading about (unrelated) potential extended dgat inhibition use concerns iirc and thats what brought this to mind. no point in lean bulking if you unintentionally program yourself to be more susceptible to fat or whatever pathways youre manipulating. not sure how real of a concern this is in some cases but it got me thinking.
 
squirtguns89 said:
i realize length of use has likely been beaten to death, and on the write up it says fine for longer use. but of course we cycle everything. so hypothetically for educational purposes.

is their a known negative feedback loop or any potential rebound/backlash for long term usage? fat storage prevention would be the (important) secondary goal for a long lean bulk.

i know for certain things theres obvious "bring yourself back to homeostasis" or x may happen. was just reading about (unrelated) potential extended dgat inhibition use concerns iirc and thats what brought this to mind. no point in lean bulking if you unintentionally program yourself to be more susceptible to fat or whatever pathways youre manipulating. not sure how real of a concern this is in some cases but it got me thinking.
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I can't think of anything specific, but cortisol is an important tool for the body to function properly and should not be altered for long periods of time.
 
Synapsin said:
I can't think of anything specific, but cortisol is an important tool for the body to function properly and should not be altered for long periods of time.
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true. its my understanding, thats its localized/ tissue specific and not systematic cortisol reduction so just pondered if it may not be as hindering on general markers, but i get the premise none the less.

any thoughts on extended use of anything for anti obesity affect out of your line? already have origin for various reasons. maybe ill do a few bottles of assassinate as well at some point during my bulk, that wouldnt have any affects on cortisol that im missing does it? could do 8 weeks super 7 cycle off and go on 8 weeks Assass, repeat repeat repeat for the ultimate lean bulk
 
squirtguns89 said:
true. its my understanding, thats its localized/ tissue specific and not systematic cortisol reduction so just pondered if it may not be as hindering on general markers, but i get the premise none the less.

any thoughts on extended use of anything for anti obesity affect out of your line? already have origin for various reasons. maybe ill do a few bottles of assassinate as well at some point during my bulk, that wouldnt have any affects on cortisol that im missing does it? could do 8 weeks super 7 cycle off and go on 8 weeks Assass, repeat repeat repeat for the ultimate lean bulk
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That's perfect. The only problem with Assass1nate is diminished returns and that hasn't showed after 2-3 months. I personally wouldn't run Sup3r 7 for more than 8 weeks.
 
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