Q & A for FINAFLEX 1-ANDRO

Hey guys, got a couple of questions for you...

How would 1-Andro compare to Anavar only cycle?

What is the optimal dosage? (the 2013 study uses 300mg/day but some seem to dose it higher/lower)

Is there any significant difference between the liquid and the pill version?

Does 1-Andro affect the natural test production, since it isn't synthetic hormone per se, but a metabolite

I'm getting bloodwork before/during/after to monitor my test production (I work in the pharmaceutical so I have no problem with it)

And if my test/lh drop significantly during the cycle, should I use a SERM for pct inst? (I have free 100% legal pharm grade torem/nolva)

Thank you very much !!
 
Caretata said:
Hey guys, got a couple of questions for you... How would 1-Andro compare to Anavar only cycle? What is the optimal dosage? (the 2013 study uses 300mg/day but some seem to dose it higher/lower) Is there any significant difference between the liquid and the pill version? Does 1-Andro affect the natural test production, since it isn't synthetic hormone per se, but a metabolite I'm getting bloodwork before/during/after to monitor my test production (I work in the pharmaceutical so I have no problem with it) And if my test/lh drop significantly during the cycle, should I use a SERM for pct inst? (I have free 100% legal pharm grade torem/nolva) Thank you very much !!
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That was the most educated stupid 1st post ever..

It's like you did 1/2 of your homework or copied your buddies notes and failed the quiz..
 
I admit my experience and understanding in the area of pro-hormone is limited - but that's why I'm here, to learn.

Sorry if any of my questions came across as silly or stupid, but that's an area which lacks much scientific research and I'm really not as informed as I'd like to be (yet)

Still, would appreciate all answers/information
 
1 andro doesn't compare to anavar. one is a PH (2 steps away from the target) and the other an active steroid.
optimal dosages range between 300-600 tho some people have ran it higher.
genrally unless the liquid is done right, its best to stick with pills.
yes it will mess with your HTPA as well as impair your liver
if you run at 300 or up per day then yes you will want to run a course of torem/nolva.
 
I understand it's a different compound with a different mechanism behind it then anavar, but since both are liver taxing, htpa suppressive orals and both yield pretty similar results, which would be a better choice for a first cycle?
 
Caretata said:
I understand it's a different compound with a different mechanism behind it then anavar, but since both are liver taxing, htpa suppressive orals and both yield pretty similar results, which would be a better choice for a first cycle?
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Andro. And it's not illegal.
 
I agree with montego here... while anavar is mild its pretty expensive too. well... actually so is 1DHEA, but it will be a much safer route. reason being is, do to the fact that it is a PH the half life is very short. shorter half life means it will be easy to drop if the side effects are too much for you..
believe me... some people just don't do well on hormones. there are other milder options if you want something that's less suppressive and almost as powerful
you could study up on SARMs.
 
I've considered SARM's as well but there are couple of problems with them... First, I live in Europe and the only 100% legit source is located in the us. Then, there's the lack of medical research (especially long term) there's the eyesight problems and the suppression. Overall, I don't think the rather limited results (compared to AAS and PH's') are worth it for all the drawbacks

If we put price aside, and the fact that anavar is illegal (it's not for me), would andro 1 still be a better choice in terms of results/side effects?
 
Depends, is this a first cycle or is the user experienced and done other cycles before. Kind of hard to compare the 2 as already mentioned. One is a steroid and the other isn't. If this is a first cycle then I recommend going 1-Andro. You work your way up the chain so you and your body knows how to respond.
 
actually ostarine doesn't have many side effects, and its been marketed now for about 3-5 yrs.. id say the long term ancidotal evidence says its pretty safe.

if you want safety and low suppression then these are the ones id look at.. in descending order of strength and safety.

LGs and AFs DHEAs and 3b epi's /pbold types
Ostarine
11 oxo
11 KT
1 andro
hdrol
epi
anavar

pretty much a stepping stone to the harder drugs. do you have to follow it? of course not. will anavar kill you for a first cycle.. hell no. but like tuff points out, its best to use the least amount of stimulation as possible to achieve the desired results.
 
LGs and AFs DHEAs and 3b epi's /pbold types

Which would those be? And how they different from 1 andro (which is also a DHEA, right?)
 
xR1pp3Rx said:
actually ostarine doesn't have many side effects, and its been marketed now for about 3-5 yrs.. id say the long term ancidotal evidence says its pretty safe. if you want safety and low suppression then these are the ones id look at.. in descending order of strength and safety. LGs and AFs DHEAs and 3b epi's /pbold types Ostarine 11 oxo 11 KT 1 andro hdrol epi anavar pretty much a stepping stone to the harder drugs. do you have to follow it? of course not. will anavar kill you for a first cycle.. hell no. but like tuff points out, its best to use the least amount of stimulation as possible to achieve the desired results.
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Excellent post Ripp!
Never used Ostarine so I can't comment but did try 11 oxo and for me I got nothing. Your pecking order there is spot on though!
 
Caretata said:
LGs and AFs DHEAs and 3b epi's /pbold types

Which would those be? And how they different from 1 andro (which is also a DHEA, right?)
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LG and AF sells a strait DHEA product called M1D, they also sell some other 3 step PHs. 1DHEA converts to 1test wich is a powerful hormone. the others convert to much weaker hormones and OR convert at a very minute %. of all the DHEAs out there id rekon 1DHEA and 4DHEA are the most powerful of these.
the 3b epi products out there are really good for libido and fatloss. pbold is a very weak metabolite of the steroid EQ. ime with it you need to dose it very high and very often. how old are you? if your in your mid 30s or older the plain DHEAs are a decent way to test the waters. if youre younger than that then its probably best to look into the 1 or 4 DHEAs and go from there.
 
Thank you very much for your time!

Last question, would Epistane or 1-Andro be a better choice?

It will be my very first cycle, I'm 26, if that matters
 
not sure if we discussed your goals ?? personally I believe 1DHEA is the better place to start, that said if your looking to go on a cut I might say epi
 
I would be on a lean bulk/recomp diet with around 300-400 surplus. Goal is to gain as much muscle as possible and shed some fat if possible.

On the other hand, I know 1-DHEA doesn't convert to estrogen, but is using a Al during the cycle a good idea (just in case)
 
from my exp, no. having one on hand is a must, same with your SERM. but yeah... that estrogen helps you grow and keeps joints feeling loose.
 
Okay, it think in all set, last thing I need to determine the cycle length. Is 4 weeks good enough for a first cycle? My layout looks like:

Week 1-200mg
Week 2-300mg
Week 3-300mg
Week 4-300mg

Week 5 (pct) - Toremifne 120mg
Week 6 (pct) - Toremifene 90mg
Week 7 (pct) - Toremifene 90mg
Week 8 (pct) - Toremifene 60mg

Week 9-13 - Natural test booster + OTC Al

Is the setup correct? Is there need for an Al in the pct or is a SERM itself sufficient?

If by week 4 my test/lh levels haven't crashed or lowered, can I omit the serm and go straight with a OTC PCT or is there risk of gyno and gains loss?
 
I would prefer to to see you use the ai and booster starting on week 7 and taper off each week after, even if it means the ai is dosed every other day.

also the numbers on your blood panel at 4 weeks will not show the potential for need of the serm. being that your going to run it at 300 I think you will have very odd numbers making it hard to decifer. the point at wich you want to know are PRE and POST. the mid term testing will tell you how all the other stuff is but the epi test ratio will likely either be way off OR with in range albeit elevated. again.. the cost of the SERM outweighs the risks of not using one.
just start out @ 300 mgs per day. no need to taper up.

at 12 weeks you will feel fully recovered and probably be ready for another bout
 
Hey guys, I am in pct for 1-andro taking revolution black and pure test. My issue is I ran out of pure test and ran today to replace it but couldn't find it anywhere so I got d aspartic acid from usb labs and diarrhea bad. I had no issues with pure test, my question is can I order pure test over night and stop taking the usp labs for 2 nights and just take revolution black for 2 nights until the pure test comes in. Thanks
 
Hey scott,
Im about 3 weeks in and im doing 4 caps a day with 2 bottles. Ive gone from 155-170 and strength gone out of the roof. Still have a long way to go but im starting to get puffy nipples and my balls are getting tight to my penis. My back pumps have been decreasing but im wondering if my body is being used to the chemicals because i havent been gaining too much more. Does finaflex also affect penis size or is that just my libido being an affect of me not getting fully hard. Thank you so much man! Also, for PcT i have the revo black plus pure test from you guys. How should i go about taking these?
 
JohnnyS said:
Hey guys, I am in pct for 1-andro taking revolution black and pure test. My issue is I ran out of pure test and ran today to replace it but couldn't find it anywhere so I got d aspartic acid from usb labs and diarrhea bad. I had no issues with pure test, my question is can I order pure test over night and stop taking the usp labs for 2 nights and just take revolution black for 2 nights until the pure test comes in. Thanks
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Yes. There is some DAA on the PCT Black.
 
xSteven said:
Hey scott, Im about 3 weeks in and im doing 4 caps a day with 2 bottles. Ive gone from 155-170 and strength gone out of the roof. Still have a long way to go but im starting to get puffy nipples and my balls are getting tight to my penis. My back pumps have been decreasing but im wondering if my body is being used to the chemicals because i havent been gaining too much more. Does finaflex also affect penis size or is that just my libido being an affect of me not getting fully hard. Thank you so much man! Also, for PcT i have the revo black plus pure test from you guys. How should i go about taking these?
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As for the dosing on the PCT Black and the Pure Test: follow the directions on the bottles. I've personally not heard of people having "penis" issues from the 1-Andro. But, PH's no matter how mild affect people differently.
 
xSteven said:
Can i stack the revi black and pure test together to help with my natural test?
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Yes.take 2-4 caps of the Rev Black and 4-6 caps of the Pure Test.
 
Okay thank you. How long would you say will my libido and natural test come back to normal? Is there a sign that'll show me or is it all how i feel?
 
xSteven said:
Okay thank you. How long would you say will my libido and natural test come back to normal? Is there a sign that'll show me or is it all how i feel?
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that's all up to you mang

Factors include but not limited to:
1. dose (number of caps)
2, length of cycle
3. history
4. age
5. pct
6. hell even diet

now there isn't some magical plug and go formula to spit out an exact day you will rebound, but this product is gonna be very mild compared to the typical prohormone side effects which in part is the reason for their popularity.
 
Is there any significant difference between the 2 or 4 caps/ day? I was planning on using three, but maybe since it's my very first cycle I should stick to two?
 
Caretata said:
Is there any significant difference between the 2 or 4 caps/ day? I was planning on using three, but maybe since it's my very first cycle I should stick to two?
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Try it and let us know, start with two and use your head (more simply...stay at 2 or increase how you see fit )
 
Each cap is 160mg and like said above start with 2 which would be 320mg. This being your first cycle I don't really see a "need" to bump it up.
 
Isn't each cap 110mg 1-Andro? The other 50mg was another substance as far as I know. Maybe I'm wrong.

But I really can't decide on 2 or 3 caps. I get it that 2 might be sufficient, but at the same time I want to make the most of the cycle. (I'm not planning to cycle again any time soon, or at all)

Problem is, for 2 caps I need one bottle. For 3 caps I need two. So maybe it'd be best to get 2 bottles, just in case 2 caps isn't enough and I decide to bump the dose to 3?
 
FinaFlex 1-Andro 3-hydroxy-5alpha-androst-1-en-17-one, Bergamottin(6,7,-dihydroxybergamottin)(DHB) Proprietary Blend 160 mg +
 
So there's 110mg 1-DHEA + 50mg Bergamotin (which I have no idea what it is)
The therefore -> 2 caps = 220mg active ingredient
 
Im taking 4 caps a day of finaflex 1-andro and im 20 days in of a 30 day cycle. My nipples are starting to get puffy and idk if im starting to get gyno should i stop my cycle and start pct right away?
 
xSteven said:
Im taking 4 caps a day of finaflex 1-andro and im 20 days in of a 30 day cycle. My nipples are starting to get puffy and idk if im starting to get gyno should i stop my cycle and start pct right away?
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no don't stop. this is a common side effect with many PHs ... just leave them alone and take a little b6 and ldopa.
even if they get alittle itchy don't mess with em.
 
What about like the tips of my nipples are a whiteish color. I already took a little bit of my PCt because i was scared.
 
Ignore that xSteven guy. Look through his started threads and you can see he has "been" on cycle of Finaflex product for like the last year.

Must have a problem with the company.
 
TheSaiyan said:
Ignore that xSteven guy. Look through his started threads and you can see he has "been" on cycle of Finaflex product for like the last year.

Must have a problem with the company.
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He's also 17
 
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