Putting CEL's M-Test To The Test (Inc Bloods)

[Slims]

I got my last set of blood results back on Friday and my M-Test arrived too, so today I'm starting my run and my log.
A lot of people say that natty test boosters are all bunk and do nothing to raise testosterone levels...Well now we'll see.

Stats
24 years old
5ft 8'
160lbs
14.2% bodyfat
5 years training experience
Total Testosterone-206ng/dl
Free Testosterone=2.75ng/dl

Training 5 days per week.
Hypertrophy focussed training including some compound strength work.

I'm planning on an 8-12 week run with just the basic staples alongside,
Protein
Multi Vits+Mins
Fish Oil
Etc

What I'm looking for from M-Test
Mood boost
Libido boost
Alpha feeling
Better sense of overall well being.

 

[jt75]

Subbed.
Hopefully bloods answer the big question dude, even if there's no major change you will get the boost in libido, moods, drive.
I'm 2 weeks in today and it's getting good ?

 

[TommyTuffGuy]

The Sleep/Recovery is the best part of M-Test.

 

[jameschoi]

What is the avg test level.
Total Testosterone-206ng/dl

 

[The Express 42]

Looking forward to your results!

 

[masterpiter]

Subbed

 

[DWeaver]

Just order 3 months of M-Test. Will start after my Osta/EPIAndro cycle is over in 3 weeks.

 

[rowz4broz]

im in

 

[thebigt]

subbed for bloods.

 

[Slims]

Week 1 Update

Just finished my first week of M-Test, nothing to report back with yet. I didn't expect to notice anything in the first week anyway, just thought I'd let you all know that I'm still alive haha!

 

[SFreed]

In to follow along. Been curious about M-Test since ryane87 logged it.

 

[mike33511]

Your testosterone is very low. A test booster may raise it a few points, but it will not fix your problem. Have you thought about seeing a doctor?

 

[Slims]

I've seen several doctors about my low testosterone levels. They've all said the same thing...
"Yes, it's low but it's not so low that we would consider treatment at this stage, especially in someone so young."
Over here in the UK they don't tend to take any notice or action until you're 35 or over.

 

[celc5]

Subbed

 

[Slims]

Week 2 Update

Two weeks into my M-Test run now, still nothing to report back with yet. Again, wasn't really expecting to start feeling anything this early on anyway as most reviewers start to notice the effects nearer the end of week three.

 

[00A]

I've seen several doctors about my low testosterone levels. They've all said the same thing...
"Yes, it's low but it's not so low that we would consider treatment at this stage, especially in someone so young."
Over here in the UK they don't tend to take any notice or action until you're 35 or over.

Slims did you do full hormone blood test?
You said you from UK, there private testing site called medichecks. Intrested also to see results..

Because you have low test its best do complete blood test to try and figure out what is wrong

 

[Slims]

Slims did you do full hormone blood test?
You said you from UK, there private testing site called medichecks. Intrested also to see results..

Because you have low test its best do complete blood test to try and figure out what is wrong

They're doing the bare minimums, so I'm having to have bloods done every 8 weeks whilst they're monitoring my low testosterone issue. They're refusing to treat it properly because
"Low testosterone isn't a health issue"
that they'd consider treating medically.

 

[00A]

They're doing the bare minimums, so I'm having to have bloods done every 8 weeks whilst they're monitoring my low testosterone issue. They're refusing to treat it properly because
"Low testosterone isn't a health issue"
that they'd consider treating medically.

I would do private test as recommended, it will cost you but its your health.

In for results..

 

[Slims]

I would do private test as recommended, it will cost you but its your health.

In for results..

There was only a 0.2 difference in Total Testosterone between the NHS results and the MediChecks Mini Hormone Male Test. The Free Testosterone at 2.75ng/dl was pretty much spot on for both MediChecks and NHS results.
I don't have comparisons for the SHBG and Oestrogen results to because the NHS test results sheet didn't have those on it

 

[Beta]

Subbed for results. Good luck brother.

 

[Slims]

Not really an update as such but I had a wet dream last night, something that's not happened since I was about 15 years old.
I don't know if things like that really have anything to do with testosterone or hormone levels but hey, It means I must have had an erection at some point last night so that's something else that hasn't happened for a while .

 

[coltonwalker]

In, as I am curious about M-test in general.

 

[vujade]

subbed for the ride

 

[ryane87]

Subbed. I haven't had a wet dream in 20 years...lol

 

[coltonwalker]

Subbed. I haven't had a wet dream in 20 years...lol

Just 20?

 

[ryane87]

Just 20?

I am 37.....once I started having sex with regularity, they stopped....haha

 

[Slims]

Week 3 Update

Three weeks into my M-Test run now and still haven't noticed any beneficial effects, which is quite dissapointing. I was hoping to have at least felt the mood uplifing effects by now, but nope, no difference at all. Same with libido, energy, gym performance etc.

I'll run out of caps in the next week and I'm considering just ending it there and not bother ordering a 2nd bottle.

Opinions? Suggestions?

 

[ryane87]

Honestly, it may not be solving your issue. Ride out the week, see how you feel. If still no improvement, I wouldn't pick up another bottle. Just chalk it up to a lot of the ingredients in test boosters are unfortunately not going to solve your issue. Really appreciate the feedback, though.

 

[jt75]

Week 3 Update

Three weeks into my M-Test run now and still haven't noticed any beneficial effects, which is quite dissapointing. I was hoping to have at least felt the mood uplifing effects by now, but nope, no difference at all. Same with libido, energy, gym performance etc.

I'll run out of caps in the next week and I'm considering just ending it there and not bother ordering a 2nd bottle.

Opinions? Suggestions?

See if your bloods have changed.
At least you got a wet dream out of it

 

[VeinNutrition]

As others have mentioned your testosterone is very low, especially for a male in your early 20s. How is your diet and sleep?

I'm not knowledgeable enough about UK's Healthcare system. My understanding is it's mostly free covered by the NHS, but your options are more limited. If possible try to see an endocrinologist, a general practitioner is not going to have the same level of training in male testosterone levels and may think that everything is fine as long as you "within range". I'd also recommend being very thorough about how low testosterone levels are affecting your quality of life.

Test boosters may help but your levels are abnormally low IMO for a male your age.

 

[Slims]

See if your bloods have changed.
At least you got a wet dream out of it

My next blood tests are four weeks away though.
But as I said last week, blood test results are just numbers. If you can't see or feel a product working then it's not helping you to improve and therefore rather pointless.

As others have mentioned your testosterone is very low, especially for a male in your early 20s. How is your diet and sleep?

I'm not knowledgeable enough about UK's Healthcare system. My understanding is it's mostly free covered by the NHS, but your options are more limited. If possible try to see an endocrinologist, a general practitioner is not going to have the same level of training in male testosterone levels and may think that everything is fine as long as you "within range". I'd also recommend being very thorough about how low testosterone levels are affecting your quality of life.

Test boosters may help but your levels are abnormally low IMO for a male your age.

I sleep at least 8 hours each night.
My diet is pretty clean and varied, with the occasional cheat day.

The NHS isn't free exactly, we pay national insurance which gets deducted from our wages each week. But yes, for what we pay in national insurance our health care options are extremely limited, the average waiting time to see a GP is 25 days.
I'm under an endocrinologist at the moment anyway, that's who I go to see every 8 weeks or so.
The low Testosterone levels really effect my quality of life!
No sex drive
Low energy
Low mood
Depression
Lethargy
No muscle pump
Body comp issues
(even with diet and training)
But I still drag my ass out of bed at 5am five days per week to go and train before work.

 

[mike33511]

If worse comes to worst, keep in mind that it is completely legal to possess testosterone for personal use in the UK. Obviously, you should exhaust your options within the medical system first, but it's something to keep in mind. Your symptoms appear to be making your quality of life very poor, and if it were me, I would do whatever I had to do to improve my health.

 

[Slims]

If worse comes to worst, keep in mind that it is completely legal to possess testosterone for personal use in the UK. Obviously, you should exhaust your options within the medical system first, but it's something to keep in mind. Your symptoms appear to be making your quality of life very poor, and if it were me, I would do whatever I had to do to improve my health.

I've been looking into Testosterone Cypionate to do my own self administered TRT at 60mg sub-Q twice per week. But as you mentioned, I want to do everything that I can within the view of the professionals first...Even if they aren't helping me out or treating my problem properly. Maybe see where I'm at and how I'm feeling in about 2 months and if there's still no help from the NHS or any improvements then I think I'll just go for it.

 

[Slims]

Week 3 Update

Three weeks into my M-Test run now and still haven't noticed any beneficial effects, which is quite dissapointing. I was hoping to have at least felt the mood uplifing effects by now, but nope, no difference at all. Same with libido, energy, gym performance etc.

I'll run out of caps in the next week and I'm considering just ending it there and not bother ordering a 2nd bottle.

Opinions? Suggestions?

Right.
I ran out of M-Test on Tuesday, and because I haven't felt or noticed anything beneficial I didn't bother ordering a second bottle.

I will have the post M-Test blood results next week and will post them in this thread, as originally planned.

I'm going to try Olympus' Labs Test1fy next. I'm going to wait another three weeks before I start but I will run another log with new pre and post bloods along side.

 

[jt75]

Right.


I'm going to try Olympus' Labs Test1fy next.

Please don't, waste of your time and money. If mtest doesn't work then Testify definitely won't imo

 

[Slims]

Please don't, waste of your time and money. If mtest doesn't work then Testify definitely won't imo

I was told that Test1fy was a solid choice?
I responded great to Anabeta V2 with the Anacyclus Pyrethrum. I was hoping to get the same kind of effects from the Test1fy, especially with all of the additional goodies

 

[jt75]

Mtest and Alphamax xt are far better.
I actually decided to stay on my mtest run after libido seemed to have dropped, thought it was the letrone but it's come back with a vengeance, living this run of letrone, mtest and fd2

 

[The_Old_Guy]

24 years old

Total Testosterone-206ng/dl
Free Testosterone=2.75ng/dl

Bud - you are Hypogonadal, have your Physician check all the other reasons that could be - like a Pituitary Adenoma for one. ALL the "Test Boosters" do about the same thing: Give you about a 100'ish point jump in Total T. They actually seem to work better with Free T, but at 2.75ng/dl - you are screwed either way. You need a doctor, not a credit card.

 

[jt75]

This ^^^^^

All the test boosters in the world ain't gonna help your condition pal

 

[Slims]

Bud - you are Hypogonadal, have your Physician check all the other reasons that could be - like a Pituitary Adenoma for one. ALL the "Test Boosters" do about the same thing: Give you about a 100'ish point jump in Total T. They actually seem to work better with Free T, but at 2.75ng/dl - you are screwed either way. You need a doctor, not a credit card.

This ^^^^^

All the test boosters in the world ain't gonna help your condition pal

I've already seen all of the doctors and "Specialists" that they're willing to refer me too. They just keep saying
"Yes, it's low, but it's not low enough to cause health problems and not low enough that we would consider clinical treatment"

 

[YamahaC76]

I've already seen all of the doctors and "Specialists" that they're willing to refer me too. They just keep saying
"Yes, it's low, but it's not low enough to cause health problems and not low enough that we would consider clinical treatment"

Man, If I were you, I'd take some TRT into my own hands and push my numbers to the 500-600 range. That's where I sit now at 25, and tbh, I could use them higher. you feel great. I had low numbers, around 300 on cycle, and I felt it to some degree. I'd imagine you feel slammed every morning. I'd get some Test Cyp or E. I bet you'll rule the world after staring and feel great because you did it and not your terrible doctors.

I think in America if you drop below 150, its TRT time...some docs will go for it at your current numbers right now.

 

[Slims]

Man, If I were you, I'd take some TRT into my own hands and push my numbers to the 500-600 range. That's where I sit now at 25, and tbh, I could use them higher. you feel great. I had low numbers, around 300 on cycle, and I felt it to some degree. I'd imagine you feel slammed every morning. I'd get some Test Cyp or E. I bet you'll rule the world after staring and feel great because you did it and not your terrible doctors.

I think in America if you drop below 150, its TRT time...some docs will go for it at your current numbers right now.

I'm researching into long term Epi-Andro use. I know about six people who have been running Epi-Andro as a kind of TRT for about six months each and they're all doing amazingly well...It avoids legality and pinning issues too

 

[AdelV]

My next blood tests are four weeks away though.
But as I said last week, blood test results are just numbers. If you can't see or feel a product working then it's not helping you to improve and therefore rather pointless.



I sleep at least 8 hours each night.
My diet is pretty clean and varied, with the occasional cheat day.

The NHS isn't free exactly, we pay national insurance which gets deducted from our wages each week. But yes, for what we pay in national insurance our health care options are extremely limited, the average waiting time to see a GP is 25 days.
I'm under an endocrinologist at the moment anyway, that's who I go to see every 8 weeks or so.
The low Testosterone levels really effect my quality of life!
No sex drive
Low energy
Low mood
Depression
Lethargy
No muscle pump
Body comp issues
(even with diet and training)
But I still drag my ass out of bed at 5am five days per week to go and train before work.

Sounds like me, but the last time I had my hormones scanned they were through the roof!

Big difference between morning bloods, and afternoons. It was like one extreme to another :/

 

[mike33511]

I'm researching into long term Epi-Andro use. I know about six people who have been running Epi-Andro as a kind of TRT for about six months each and they're all doing amazingly well...It avoids legality and pinning issues too

But it is perfectly legal for you to possess testosterone for personal use in the UK. Maybe they feel good just using epi-andro instead of testosterone, but what they have done is further suppressed their testosterone production. Testosterone has functions other than "t3h f33lz."

 

[Slims]

But it is perfectly legal for you to possess testosterone for personal use in the UK. Maybe they feel good just using epi-andro instead of testosterone, but what they have done is further suppressed their testosterone production. Testosterone has functions other than "t3h f33lz."

I know, that's why I've looked into adding in a low dose of 4-Andro alongside the Epi-Andro. Not too sure yet though because I don't know anybody who has run them together, where as I speak to the Epi-Andro users on a daily basis.

Thoughts on the low dose 4-AD for Test and Estrogen conversion?