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puffy and sore nips ?!

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hey,

i am starting my epi/trest cycle in the middle of may and i had some leftover 6bromo and thought "why not use it until the cycle starts to shed some water and gain some strength."

i used about for a week now: DAA 4gr ed , 100mg 6Bromo (lasz two days even 150mg)
now my problem: since 2 days i got very sensitive nips. i therefore upped my dose of bromo to 150mg and took 20mg nolva for 2 days.

I cant feel any difference now- i feel my muscles are a bit harder and maybe strength went a little bit up so far but nothing dramatic.

the problem: is there a gyno coming ?
i had a very small gyno during my teenage years and might be oversensitive or the pain comes from the everytime touching because of my anxiety of getting a bigger gyno.

please advise what to do?
i have also ar1macare + formeron on hand but wanted to save that for the cycle.
i somehow heard that daa can raise prolactin levels?!
 
well, it doesnt always mean youre getting yno, to be safe up the dose on nolva, but if its true on daa raising prolactin and your taking tren lol youre ****ed. nolva will make it worse.
 
not using tren but trest .
but as they are both 19nor i think the difference should not be too big :/

ill apply 2 pumps formeron now and then lets see.

maybe its jzst sore because i was constantly touching an slightly squeezing it for a week now.
because the initial site where ive got a small lump is left and the problems now occur on the right side lol

fakn body haha
 
Ooooh 19nor ehh. Those always cause probs man, might as well just done deca or tren. Progestins imo are strongest but carry sides that are really hard to combat.
 
Also when I ran old tren ph (19nor) I felt sensations in nipples I always grabbed em apparently it was all in my head. When u can't put a shirt on without it hurting be worried than watch for milk to prolactin build up from all the progesterone
 
ok lets clear some things up

tren can not convert to estrogen EVER
trestolone WILL convert to estrogen.. you can not compare probability of gyno..

Nolva is a dated treatment for gyno. all it does is block estrogen in the breast tissue..

BUT it raises your circulating estrogen.. if you dont taper properly which there is no way to know.. BANG high estrogen and the gyno comes right back..

im not giving you advice.. but i have used letro at 2.5mg until it was gone and then tapered as low as .5mg e3d for a few weeks to be safe..

you need to understand how things work.. just because something worked for a few people doesnt mean it makes sense or is the best way..

learn what these things do and why they work
 
Actually novla works well for the treatment of gyno. An AI can prevent gyno from occurring or getting worse but can't treat it. No AI is going to prevent 100% of aromatization. While letro is a good treatment for gyno it's not as good as novla or especially ralox.

Progesterone can not cause gyno in the absence of estrogen's actions. Prolactin can, which is often the mechanism of gyno from tren.

The rubric about novla and progesterone is bogus, novla may up regulate progesterone receptors but it does so in the uterus, not a problem for (the majority) of men.
 
Mystere3 said:
Actually novla works well for the treatment of gyno. An AI can prevent gyno from occurring or getting worse but can't treat it. No AI is going to prevent 100% of aromatization. While letro is a good treatment for gyno it's not as good as novla or especially ralox. Progesterone can not cause gyno in the absence of estrogen's actions. Prolactin can, which is often the mechanism of gyno from tren. The rubric about novla and progesterone is bogus, novla may up regulate progesterone receptors but it does so in the uterus, not a problem for (the majority) of men.
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I love how people always overlook that nolva increases progesterone in the uterus then MEN FRIMKKIN MEN! Preach not to use nolva, lol they must be lady gaga or something
 
permabulk said:
Both act as an anti E just diff properties and usage.
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this is 100% wrong. one binds to the aromatase enzyme and actually lowers estrogen..

the other binds to receptors in the breast tissue and RAISES estrogen..

i advise that you dont give anyone advice until you do some reading
 
ezjax said:
why cant an ai treat gyno?
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Because it doesn't prevent estrogen's actions on the target tissue. It simply prevents aromatization but not 100%; what estrogen that remains will still bind to breast tissue. So that makes AIs good for preventing gyno from getting worse but not reducing it.
 
Mystere3 said:
Because it doesn't prevent estrogen's actions on the target tissue. It simply prevents aromatization but not 100%; what estrogen that remains will still bind to breast tissue. So that makes AIs good for preventing gyno from getting worse but not reducing it.
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once the estrogen clears you will be fine.. i wouldnt use a serm and suffer from possible rebound.. just my opinion
 
ezjax said:
once the estrogen clears you will be fine.. i wouldnt use a serm and suffer from possible rebound.. just my opinion
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Well most ppl find that letro alone won't treat gyno. It's still important to take it to prevent it from getting worse but if you want it to really to go away you need a serm. Ideally you'd use both and taper the AI after the serm is discontinued to prevent rebound.
 
You also won't clear all the estrogen with an AI. You'll reduce it but there will still be estrogen around, especially if you're taking an aromatizable compound.
 
Mystere3 said:
Well most ppl find that letro alone won't treat gyno. It's still important to take it to prevent it from getting worse but if you want it to really to go away you need a serm. Ideally you'd use both and taper the AI after the serm is discontinued to prevent rebound.
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im not going to argue with you, but i doubt you can substantiate the claim that "most people find that letro wont treat gyno"

i am not making any recommendations people can use what they want SERM or AI..

i am saying people should learn how things work so they can make a decision that suits them..

again i dont know whats better i really dont care.. it doesnt really matter

i have treated my own gyno with letro alone
 
Just read on here. Most people will say something like: "letro made it smaller but it didn't go away." Yes reducing estrogen will make it better, but won't resolve it.

There's a study comparing arimidex to novladex which showed 56% of ppl on antiandrogen therapy got gyno with arimidex but only 10% got it with novladex. There's a reason why AIs aren't indicated for gyno medically.


ezjax said:
im not going to argue with you, but i doubt you can substantiate the claim that "most people find that letro wont treat gyno"

i am not making any recommendations people can use what they want SERM or AI..

i am saying people should learn how things work so they can make a decision that suits them..

again i dont know whats better i really dont care.. it doesnt really matter
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Not to butt in, but I'm on letro now and it got rid of my lump completely. I caught it quick however.
I am tapering down now and into ralox.
 
Mystere3 said:
Just read on here. Most people will say something like: "letro made it smaller but it didn't go away." Yes reducing estrogen will make it better, but won't resolve it.

There's a study comparing arimidex to novladex which showed 56% of ppl on antiandrogen therapy got gyno with arimidex but only 10% got it with novladex. There's a reason why AIs aren't indicated for gyno medically.
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But femara used to treat breast carcinoma.. Anyway like I said I don't care use what you want.. I stomp estrogen into oblivion like single digits with Letro blood work confirmed. And the let it slowly creep up.. Instead of elevating estrogen with nolvadex and hoping it clears before my testosterone rebounds..


Rebound Gyno is caused by improper tapering of a serm.
 
yo ppl thanks for the answers.

like i said above - currently i am NOT using epi nor trest nor tren.

i just did 1 week with 6 bromo + daa (half natty stack)- but when bromo is supposed do crash my estro into the basement hows it possible to get a gyno?
maybe elevated prolactine levels?
so yesterday i took: 150mg bromo , 40mg nolva, 2 pumps of formeron. seems like shooting big guns at a small target BUT i gotta say that the itchy pain is nearly gone.
i can still feel it a bit but i also stopped touching my nip that much - maybe its just an inflamation?

i got 2 options:
taper the bromo of like 7 days 150/100/100/50/50/50 + everyday 20mg nolva ( do not have that much pills left)
or just drop the dose to 100mg and go on until i start with epi in about 2 weeks ( have to order a new pack of nolva before)
what do you think?
 
What does breast cancer have to do with gyno? Tamoxifen and letro are both used to treat estrogen receptor positive breast cancer but only SERMs are used to treat gyno.

You can't eliminate gyno with an AI, although you can make it better. In some cases you can eliminate it with a SERM, especially ralox.

Your estrogen values don't matter while you're on a SERM; you should start an AI before stopping one but it doesn't have to be letro; even formeron will work fine.

ezjax said:
But femara used to treat breast carcinoma.. Anyway like I said I don't care use what you want.. I stomp estrogen into oblivion like single digits with Letro blood work confirmed. And the let it slowly creep up.. Instead of elevating estrogen with nolvadex and hoping it clears before my testosterone rebounds..


Rebound Gyno is caused by improper tapering of a serm.
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