Protodrol solo cycle few questions

[eNixeL]

Hello. I will run soon solo Protodrol cycle from Brawn Nutrition, as PCT i will use Test Restore but there need advice about dosage pct. As Protodrol i want cycle like this: Week 1: 50mg daily * Week 2-3-4-5-6: 75mg daily. Next day after cycle i will start pct, how should i dosage it ? Next question is about Creatine HCL CreaAge from Amix i should take it 2 weeks before pct ? And the last question is about pre-workout Napalm loaded with Vitargo from FA i should take it in cycle day or after on PCT ?

 

[Smont]

That's not a pct, it's a natural test booster, and natural test boosters don't work very well at all. A pct is hcg followed by clomid or nolva. At bare minimum just use some clomid or nolva. Over the counter pct products are a waste of money

 

[eNixeL]

That's not a pct, it's a natural test booster, and natural test boosters don't work very well at all. A pct is hcg followed by clomid or nolva. At bare minimum just use some clomid or nolva. Over the counter pct products are a waste of money

Thanks for answer. I can have clomid 50mg/40 tabs how dose it with test restore ?

P.S. Long time ago i run with M-Drol from Competitive Edge Labs that one without NAC, Vitamin E, after cycle i dont get any PCT and everything was good.

 

[Smont]

Sometimes you can drive a car drunk and not crash, does that make it a good idea??? And how do you know it was all good, because you think you felt fine or because you got bloodwork done and everything went back to normal. You could have felt fine and had the testosterone levels of a 90year old.

There's no rules, you can do anything you want. There's a good possibility you could run many cycles without pct and recover if that's a chance your willing to take.

I have a friend who has been on and off gear for Years and years with no pct or general health supplements and other then the fact he loses all his gains he seems fine, but I'd bet anything if he went to a Dr for bloodwork there wouldn't be some long-term damage being done.

Anyway, clomid at 50/50/25/25 or even just 25mg for 4 weeks is probably fine. If you use 50 and get side effects drop to 25. Also 6mg boron 2x a day will boost free testosterone and that is always good, you can use that on or off cycle.

But by all means, if you feel you will be fine without a real pct that's your choice. We're all adults, and the best part of being a adult is that you can do whatever you want. I would suggest the clomid, I would also suggest that if your into running cycles you get on a couple general heart health supplements year round, not just on cycle. Liver support is also good but not nearly as important, your liver does a pretty good job recovering on its own. But with that said I still use 1000-2000mg nac year round, it's got way more health benifits besides the liver.

Good luck

 

[eNixeL]

Sometimes you can drive a car drunk and not crash, does that make it a good idea??? And how do you know it was all good, because you think you felt fine or because you got bloodwork done and everything went back to normal. You could have felt fine and had the testosterone levels of a 90year old.

There's no rules, you can do anything you want. There's a good possibility you could run many cycles without pct and recover if that's a chance your willing to take.

I have a friend who has been on and off gear for Years and years with no pct or general health supplements and other then the fact he loses all his gains he seems fine, but I'd bet anything if he went to a Dr for bloodwork there wouldn't be some long-term damage being done.

Anyway, clomid at 50/50/25/25 or even just 25mg for 4 weeks is probably fine. If you use 50 and get side effects drop to 25. Also 6mg boron 2x a day will boost free testosterone and that is always good, you can use that on or off cycle.

But by all means, if you feel you will be fine without a real pct that's your choice. We're all adults, and the best part of being a adult is that you can do whatever you want. I would suggest the clomid, I would also suggest that if your into running cycles you get on a couple general heart health supplements year round, not just on cycle. Liver support is also good but not nearly as important, your liver does a pretty good job recovering on its own. But with that said I still use 1000-2000mg nac year round, it's got way more health benifits besides the liver.

Good luck

Well, i just can get clomid 50mg in one tablet and there is no chance drop to 25mg.

 

[Smont]

Well, i just can get clomid 50mg in one tablet and there is no chance drop to 25mg.

Pill cutters, they cost $10 at Walmart

 

[eNixeL]

Pill cutters, they cost $10 at Walmart

Ok thanks for info. What about use clomid at same time with Test Restore and how should look dosage and time between them?

 

[Smont]

Ok thanks for info. What about use clomid at same time with Test Restore and how should look dosage and time beetwen them?

Clomid once a day, it has a long half life, technically you could probably get away with taking 50mg every other day if you don't get a pill cutter, the test booster I would just follow whatever the label says. I don't think there's any reason you can't take clomid at the same time as you take the test booster.

 

[eNixeL]

Clomid once a day, it has a long half life, technically you could probably get away with taking 50mg every other day if you don't get a pill cutter, the test booster I would just follow whatever the label says. I don't think there's any reason you can't take clomid at the same time as you take the test booster.

Ok, for understanding i can take clomid at morning ? I will try get pill cutter in my country somewhere.

 

[Smont]

Yes you can take it in the morning or any time of day. It has a half life of 5 days, so it's in your system for a long time, it's not necessary to split up the dosage. Morning is fine

 

[eNixeL]

Yes you can take it in the morning or any time of day. It has a half life of 5 days, so it's in your system for a long time, it's not necessary to split up the dosage. Morning is fine

What about Creatine HCL ? When start take creatine on cycle or 2 weeks before PCT ? Same question about Napalm when take it.

 

[Smont]

What about Creatine HCL ? When start take creatine on cycle or 2 weeks before PCT ? Same question about Napalm when take it.

You should be taking creatine all year, there's no reason to ever stop taking it. I don't know what napalm is.

 

[Smont]

Just curious, how old are you? Wondering when to take creatine is something most teenagers know

 

[eNixeL]

You should be taking creatine all year, there's no reason to ever stop taking it. I don't know what napalm is.

Just curious, how old are you? Wondering when to take creatine is something most teenagers know

28. Well mate just read there somewhere about creatine, some wrie to take it on cycle some write before or after this will help keep some mass gains... Napalm is pre-workout i write above.

 

[Smont]

28. Well mate just read there somewhere about creatine, some wrie to take it on cycle some write before or after this will help keep some mass gains... Napalm is pre-workout i write above.

Pre workout and creatine can both be taken year round, I don't take pre workout unless I'm tired and need a boost.

Creatine isint going to do anything special for keeping gains made on a cycle. Eating and training hard is what helps keep gains but eventually you still loose it. You can't naturally maintain muscle that steroids build. Most of the gains on short cycles aren't actually muscle anyway, your muscles get loaded up with extra nutrients and water and after the cycle ends the ability to store that extra stuff kinda goes away. Building a noticable amount actual muscle takes months to years

 

[UNX]

Running any oral without a test base is not usually the best idea, but at least have some good on cycle support supps, specially for lipids. Even injectable drugs will mess with your cholesterol, much more methylated orals like protodrol.

 

[eNixeL]

Thanks very much for opinions. I will take protodrol like this Week 1: 50mg daily * Week 2-3-4-5-6: 75mg daily, and i want take hexadrone from Brawn Nutrition how should be dosage together ?

 

[Nac]

I think if you get sides from dosing clomid at 50mg e2d, youd likely be susceptible to those same sides dosing at 25mg per day. Go with whatever is practical.

 

[Smont]

For some reason I thought protodrol was a hdrol clone, what actually is it?

 

[eNixeL]

I think if you get sides from dosing clomid at 50mg e2d, youd likely be susceptible to those same sides dosing at 25mg per day. Go with whatever is practical.

I want take clomid 25/25/25/25.

P.s. What you mean writing "go with whatever is practical" ?

 

[KvanH]

For some reason I thought protodrol was a hdrol clone, what actually is it?

"Prohormone based on the 17a-methyl-5a-androst-17b-ol component. Similar effects as Halodrol". This from a supp shop site, that's all I know, lol.

 

[KvanH]

I want take clomid 25/25/25/25.

P.s. What you mean writing "go with whatever is practical" ?

What ever dosing scheme is convinient for you. Yes, you can take the Clomid on morning. The time of day makes no difference. You should find a pill cutter in every pharmacy for a few *insert a currency here*. Some convinient stores might have pill cutters too. And if it's a coated tablet, you can even cut them in half with a kitchen knife pretty easy. If not coated, some smashing will likely happen.

 

[Smont]

I want take clomid 25/25/25/25.

P.s. What you mean writing "go with whatever is practical" ?

I think we got a little bit of a language barrier.

Whatever is practical means to just do what is easy for you.

Taking 50 every other day or 25 every day will be the same. So you can take it whatever way is easier for you to do.

 

[eNixeL]

Ok ill already get pill cutter and clomid.
Just want stack protodrol with hexadrone both are from brawn nutrition, will be fine ?

 

[Smont]

Ok ill already get pill cutter and clomid.
Just want stack protodrol with hexadrone both are from brawn nutrition, will be fine ?

Nobody can answer that for you, as to whether or not you'll be fine. Everyone handles everything differently. They're both very low in side effects so in that aspect you should be fine, neither one of those have any estrogen conversion if I'm not mistaken, so towards the end of your cycle you may notice a big drop in sex drive but again everyone is different and you're not going to know until you try

 

[KvanH]

Only the protodrol is methylated, so no issue in stacking on that regard, but not sure if the Hexa is going to add anything meaningful.

 

[Smont]

Only the protodrol is methylated, so no issue in stacking on that regard, but not sure if the Hexa is going to add anything meaningful.

I don't really have experience with hex, but I remember ppl saying there's 2 versions. One was supposed to be pretty powerful for a non methyl and the other was trash.

Not protodrol specifically, but with hdrol I think I went up to 125 or 150 mg a day without it taking my liver values out of range. This was like 10 years ago so I don't remember the numbers.

But with that said, I've seen some of the original superdrol testers post bloods on 50mg a day ( I think that's what the beta testing was ran at) and more then one of them didn't have terrible blood work. That goes back to the individual thing, some guys run 10-20mg and feel sick in 2 weeks.

I'm curious what op is expecting out of this cycle.

I'd expect a small boost in size and strength if bulking or if cutting this is probably just enough to maintain whatever muscle you have, given your around average gym goer size.

 

[UNX]

For some reason I thought protodrol was a hdrol clone, what actually is it?

This is what Patrick Arnold said about Protodrol:

"Well, probably the coolest thing about it is that although it is meythlated and has considerable anabolic/androgenic activity, it does not cause any liver toxicity (as measured by bromosulphothalein retention). THERE IS NO OTHER SIMILAR STEROID THAT IS KNOWN TO BEHAVE LIKE THIS. It has 1.8 times the anabolic activity of meythltestestorone (a pretty decent value) and 1.0 times the androgenic activity."

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Sounds great, I have a bottle lying around but I usually don't use orals.

 

[Smont]

This is what Patrick Arnold said about Protodrol:

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Sounds great, I have a bottle lying around but I usually don't use orals.

Your better off not using orals, they don't really do anything that you can't achieve without them. I definitely think there are temporary cosmetic effects that you can take advantage of if your a competitive bodybuilder or temporary strength benifits if your a strength athlete. Or breaking through some stagnant training.

Or if your vain and want to look good for a event, .

But long term real progress, there not even slightly necessary. If orals were game changing I'd be way bigger and better looking then I am

 

[eNixeL]

Anyway, clomid at 50/50/25/25 or even just 25mg for 4 weeks is probably fine. If you use 50 and get side effects drop to 25. Also 6mg boron 2x a day will boost free testosterone and that is always good, you can use that on or off cycle.

About boron, each tablet have 3mg. So i take two tablet together everyday ?

 

[Smont]

About boron, each tablet have 3mg. So i take two tablet together everyday ?

Split the dose, morning and night to get a total of 6-12mg per day

So you could do 3 and 3 or 6 and 6

 

[eNixeL]

Split the dose, morning and night to get a total of 6-12mg per day

So you could do 3 and 3 or 6 and 6

Ok i get it, thanks

 

[eNixeL]

Another question. If i want take 2 caps of protodrol and tren i should take one at morning another one at night or take two at the same time?

 

[Smont]

Another question. If i want take 2 caps of protodrol and tren i should take one at morning another one at night or take two at the same time?

Are you talking about oral methyl tren, because that stuff is super toxic, I wouldn't touch it with a 10ft pole or recommend it to anyone. Don't think I can help you with that one

 

[GQdaLEGEND]

yea i was gonna ask if its Xtren or Trenavar pills .. if so def dont take during bedtime and have something that will help your sexdrive .. first time using can be rough

if your new to them .. i wouldnt stack its pretty hardcore stuff even though its non-methylated

 

[Smont]

There's tren which does not come in oral form.

Methyl tren which is very different then tren and super toxic, even at 1-2mg per day. Not a good choice for anyone with maybe the exception of 2 weeks or less pre bodybuilding or powerlifting contest.

Then there's tren prohormones, like trenavar and such that are also not tren, I believe they convert to dienolone or diendione or something like that. Those are a little safer, I wanna say guys are using 50-150mg a day of those. Dienolone gives me prolactin gyno and messes with my sexdrive so I don't mess with them. I also didn't gain much on them anyway

 

[eNixeL]

Tren from brawn nutrition non-methyl

 

[Smont]

Tren from brawn nutrition non-methyl

I think that stuff converts do dienolone, Im not a big fan, others love it tho, how many mg per capsule

 

[GQdaLEGEND]

Tren from brawn nutrition non-methyl

methyl vs non methyl imo doesnt mean much .. halo is methylated and will provide much less sides then 19-nor tren

if you already got the stuff and is set on running it .. will make a killer combo, def have some support supps along with taurine and maybe some cialis/viagra for the rat on hand

 

[eNixeL]

Yeah i have that stuff. Anyway if i will take two caps of anything it should be taked at the same time or one at morning and another at afternoon ?

 

[GQdaLEGEND]

Yeah i have that stuff. Anyway if i will take two caps of anything it should be taked at the same time or one at morning and another at afternoon ?

same time works for PH/roids according to rats here .. hence the combo's out there.

 

[eNixeL]

same time works for PH/roids according to rats here .. hence the combo's out there.

I dont understand.

 

[Smont]

I dont understand.

Take it 2 x per day, morning and evening with your protodrol, if you find it makes it hard to sleep try taking it all pre workout.

 

[eNixeL]

Take it 2 x per day, morning and evening with your protodrol, if you find it makes it hard to sleep try taking it all pre workout.

Ok now i get it, thanks

 

[Smont]

same time works for PH/roids according to rats here .. hence the combo's out there.

I don't think English is his first language, gotta talk a little simple

 

[Bunshichi]

A little late to the party. It seems to be your first cycle, so you should better stick to protodrol only. It might be fine to run a mild combo like protodrol/hexadrone, but both are dry and hexadrone seems to even have some antiestrogenic activity.
You would certainly be better off stacking protodrol with something that provides some estrogenic activity. As you don't seem too experienced, 4-andro shouldbe a good base.

Pm me your county if you have trouble finding it. I might be able to point you the right direction in europe.

You probably shouldn't be messing around with anything tren related in your first cycle. But if you do, try to get some p-5-p or inhibit p to keep prolactin sides in check if they arise. Nobody wants gyno and its way easier to prevent it than to get rid of it. Consider yourself lucky if you didn't get it from puberty.