protein (40g vs. 10g)

rawfeels

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im going to be making an order through nutraplanet for some stuff to get started on this 5x5 thing. but ive got a quesiton that came up while reading about some of the products they have.

i used to buy isopure or procomplex protein, but i would buy them at the store and they were expensive. so after reading reviews on some of the threads here i see people recommending peptopro and a couple other more "bulk" type powders that are cheaper. but my question is, why do some of these powders like peptopro that get good reviews only offer small amounts of protein (i.e. <30g)?

i get that the cost is cheaper for more protein (a bigger box) but the others offer more protein per serving. So it kinda works out the same no? for example, isopure is 3lb @ $~45 @ 40g per serving. Myofusion is 5lb @ $~40 @ 25g per serving. So in essence it kinda breaks out even as id need 2 jugs of myofusion to match the protein per serving of isopure (yes i know the math is not exact, im just using rough counts).

also...anybody know when nutraplanet is going to be getting more bulk creatine?
 
rawfeels said:
im going to be making an order through nutraplanet for some stuff to get started on this 5x5 thing. but ive got a quesiton that came up while reading about some of the products they have.

i used to buy isopure or procomplex protein, but i would buy them at the store and they were expensive. so after reading reviews on some of the threads here i see people recommending peptopro and a couple other more "bulk" type powders that are cheaper. but my question is, why do some of these powders like peptopro that get good reviews only offer small amounts of protein (i.e. <30g)?

i get that the cost is cheaper for more protein (a bigger box) but the others offer more protein per serving. So it kinda works out the same no? for example, isopure is 3lb @ $~45 @ 40g per serving. Myofusion is 5lb @ $~40 @ 25g per serving. So in essence it kinda breaks out even as id need 2 jugs of myofusion to match the protein per serving of isopure (yes i know the math is not exact, im just using rough counts).

also...anybody know when nutraplanet is going to be getting more bulk creatine?
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You have to look at the servings in the container man. Some proteins say they have 50+g of protein per serving but then a serving is 2-3 scoops and then is actually less per serving than a single scoop protein that has 25g per serving. Hopefully that makes sense. But why spend so much on protein? Just get some nutrapro 5lbs 80 servings for $33. Or are you wanting a slow release protein like myofusion?
 
rawfeels said:
im going to be making an order through nutraplanet for some stuff to get started on this 5x5 thing. but ive got a quesiton that came up while reading about some of the products they have.

i used to buy isopure or procomplex protein, but i would buy them at the store and they were expensive. so after reading reviews on some of the threads here i see people recommending peptopro and a couple other more "bulk" type powders that are cheaper. but my question is, why do some of these powders like peptopro that get good reviews only offer small amounts of protein (i.e. <30g)?

i get that the cost is cheaper for more protein (a bigger box) but the others offer more protein per serving. So it kinda works out the same no? for example, isopure is 3lb @ $~45 @ 40g per serving. Myofusion is 5lb @ $~40 @ 25g per serving. So in essence it kinda breaks out even as id need 2 jugs of myofusion to match the protein per serving of isopure (yes i know the math is not exact, im just using rough counts).

also...anybody know when nutraplanet is going to be getting more bulk creatine?
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You need two types of protein, Whey and Casein. You can have a blend if you like too.

Usually Whey has different concentrations, for example Concentrates usually are 80% protein (8 grams in every 10g serving). Isolates can be higher (90%-97%), so (9 to 9.7g in every 10g serving). However, add some flavoring system and the serving size varies.
overall, whey is whey and the difference is very minimal. You will get good amino acids, specially BCAAs. So get the brand you trust and the flavor you like.
If one product has 20g per 30g serving and you want 25g, then add scoop and quarter for example. Serving size is just a guideline.

Mix of whey and casein is also excellent. Whey absorbes faster, Casein is anti catabolic in nature. Both are high in BCAAs.

PeptoPro is good product, but I would limit it to around workout. I would still prefer whey+casein or if you like PeptoPro+casein post workout.

As far as Concentrate versus Isolate, it would be a matter of lactose intollerance issue. The difference in the amount of protein is neglegable and can be mitigated by adding little extra powder.
 
Gainers are a waste imo. Your better off getting a solid protein product and then adding your own carbs. Easiest are oatmeal and brown rice. I blend uncooked oats into my shakes to avoid the full bloated feeling you get from cooked.

But as mentioned, casein is a staple too. Optimum is my favorite protein brand. Their vanilla casein is by far the best I have tasted so far.
 
fadi said:
You need two types of protein, Whey and Casein. You can have a blend if you like too.

Usually Whey has different concentrations, for example Concentrates usually are 80% protein (8 grams in every 10g serving). Isolates can be higher (90%-97%), so (9 to 9.7g in every 10g serving). However, add some flavoring system and the serving size varies.
overall, whey is whey and the difference is very minimal. You will get good amino acids, specially BCAAs. So get the brand you trust and the flavor you like.
If one product has 20g per 30g serving and you want 25g, then add scoop and quarter for example. Serving size is just a guideline.

Mix of whey and casein is also excellent. Whey absorbes faster, Casein is anti catabolic in nature. Both are high in BCAAs.

PeptoPro is good product, but I would limit it to around workout. I would still prefer whey+casein or if you like PeptoPro+casein post workout.

As far as Concentrate versus Isolate, it would be a matter of lactose intollerance issue. The difference in the amount of protein is neglegable and can be mitigated by adding little extra powder.
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milk is 80% casein..........just sayin
 
jiberish said:
Gainers are a waste imo. Your better off getting a solid protein product and then adding your own carbs. Easiest are oatmeal and brown rice. I blend uncooked oats into my shakes to avoid the full bloated feeling you get from cooked.

But as mentioned, casein is a staple too. Optimum is my favorite protein brand. Their vanilla casein is by far the best I have tasted so far.
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I love ON's vanilla cassein as well. Tastes good as hell.
 
i never used casein protein, i think whey is better no matter when it is.

I forget where i read a great article on the myths surrounding casein, but it was good and i have always stuck to just whey
 
I stick to whey as well and usually dont bother with casean. Its not about how much protein in grams is per serving, its about how much you can get your body to absorb and not waste. It doesnt really make much sense to throw over 30 grams in a shake because the body cant use much more than that, in my opinion.
 
iForce Dave said:
i never used casein protein, i think whey is better no matter when it is.

I forget where i read a great article on the myths surrounding casein, but it was good and i have always stuck to just whey
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It is not a myth. It is based on research.

Demling RH, DeSanti L. Effect of a hypocaloric diet, increased protein intake and resistance training on lean mass gains and fat mass loss in overweight police officers. Ann Nutr Metab. 2000;44(1):21-9.

We compare the effects of a moderate hypocaloric, high-protein diet and resistance training, using two different protein supplements, versus hypocaloric diet alone on body compositional changes in overweight police officers. A randomized, prospective 12-week study was performed comparing the changes in body composition produced by three different treatment modalities in three study groups. One group (n = 10) was placed on a nonlipogenic, hypocaloric diet alone (80% of predicted needs). A second group (n = 14) was placed on the hypocaloric diet plus resistance exercise plus a high-protein intake (1.5 g/kg/day) using a casein protein hydrolysate. In the third group (n = 14) treatment was identical to the second, except for the use of a whey protein hydrolysate. We found that weight loss was approximately 2.5 kg in all three groups. Mean percent body fat with diet alone decreased from a baseline of 27 +/- 1.8 to 25 +/- 1.3% at 12 weeks. With diet, exercise and casein the decrease was from 26 +/- 1.7 to 18 +/- 1.1% and with diet, exercise and whey protein the decrease was from 27 +/- 1.6 to 23 +/- 1.3%. The mean fat loss was 2. 5 +/- 0.6, 7.0 +/- 2.1 and 4.2 +/- 0.9 kg in the three groups, respectively. Lean mass gains in the three groups did not change for diet alone, versus gains of 4 +/- 1.4 and 2 +/- 0.7 kg in the casein and whey groups, respectively. Mean increase in strength for chest, shoulder and legs was 59 +/- 9% for casein and 29 +/- 9% for whey, a significant group difference. This significant difference in body composition and strength is likely due to improved nitrogen retention and overall anticatabolic effects caused by the peptide components of the casein hydrolysate.
 
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