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Proper Ornithine dosage

Sculptor

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Ok so I bought some ornithine hcl after hearing other members rave about its synergistic effects when combined with caffeine.
I know ornithine has other benefits as well but my main goal is to use it for mood improvement and a nice addition to my daily stim/not stack.
After toying around with dosages I can not seem to pin the right one down. Examine says to use upwards of 4-6grams where as Antaeus PSYche uses 400 mg I think?
I tried 1-2gram sized dosages in the morning at first and I seemed to experience brain fog and too much calm. I then tried dosing this amount before bed as I read several studies showing it helps with sleep. I figured it could then have next day effects, similar to ashwaghanda.
Now I am trying much smaller doses like 400-500mg in the morning with caff and still can't seem to experience this "synergy" that so many have talked about.

Help me out.

Btw I currently use a simple caffeine source in the morning or a pre workout if I'm lifting before work. I also use DLPA, ashwaghanda (ksm66), and magnesium before bed. I'm incredibly stim tolerant. Yes, I'm one of those guys that loves dmaa and the like.

Thanks in advance
 
The study I frequently reference used 100mg caffeine and 250mg ornithine HCL

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Perhaps try 250mg ornithine HCL with your caffeine (what I do), or try keeping the he same ratio of 100:250mg, see what works.

Another interesting read:
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Muscleupcrohn,

What have you noticed for kind of effects with regular use of ornithine HCL? Better mood, focus and sleep?
 
Pec.Major said:
Muscleupcrohn,

What have you noticed for kind of effects with regular use of ornithine HCL? Better mood, focus and sleep?
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Well, it's sort of subtle, but since I've been taking caffeine without ornithine lately, I've noticed that I don't seem to "crash" as much with ornithine, and I feel awake and I energized for longer with ornithine. I also like taking it when I take DMAA; I get energy for hours, but it's clean and no "crash."
 
muscleupcrohn said:
Well, it's sort of subtle, but since I've been taking caffeine without ornithine lately, I've noticed that I don't seem to "crash" as much with ornithine, and I feel awake and I energized for longer with ornithine. I also like taking it when I take DMAA; I get energy for hours, but it's clean and no "crash."
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Okey. Ornithine seems like a product that is worth trying.
 
Interesting, didn't know that Ornithin was taken as a nootropic. I take it to potentially increase sleep quality:

Nutr J. 2014 Jun 3;13:53. doi: 10.1186/1475-2891-13-53.
Randomised controlled trial of the effects of L-ornithine on stress markers and sleep quality in healthy workers.
Miyake M1, Kirisako T, Kokubo T, Miura Y, Mori****a K, Okamura H, Tsuda A.
RESULTS:
Serum cortisol levels and the cortisol/DHEA-S ratio were significantly decreased in the L-ornithine group in comparison with the placebo group. Also, anger was reduced and perceived sleep quality was improved in the L-ornithine group.
CONCLUSION:
L-ornithine supplementation has the potential to relieve stress and improve sleep quality related to fatigue, both objectively and subjectively.
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Also an update: I've found about 300-400mg is a good dose with caffeine in the am. Any more and I'm foggy and anti social
 
Sculptor said:
Also an update: I've found about 300-400mg is a good dose with caffeine in the am. Any more and I'm foggy and anti social
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Nice. Is that 300-400mg ornithine HCL or of ornithine from ornithine HCL? I think that there's 200mg ornithine in 250mg ornithine HCL.

How much caffeine are you taking it with?
 
Dalmore said:
500mg. Why do you think that? Got more dreams, woke up tired?
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I felt like I wasn't getting into deep sleep. I would wake up feeling very unrested. While I haven't been using it a night regularly, I have found that very much like my morning dose, less is definitely more. If I use around 400mg at night my sleep doesn't seem to impacted and I'm hopefully getting the benefits.
 
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