Well if thats true i'm suing est.They must be the only supplement company making a claim thats not exactly true.:FUfinger:est.I was hoping it would kick in quickly so i could stack with halodrol,but i'm probably going to go with a three week low dosed superdrol cycle next."lift like an ox, eat like a bear going into hibernation,and by springtime,you will be happy"Lee Priest.