Prop/Npp/Var

Twisted Iron

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Lookin to prep for my 2nd cycle. Wont be starting for a number of months so theres plenty of time for critique and some extra knowledge. First cycle was test E and dbol. Went great, couldntve asked for more.15 solid pounds ere kept because of pristine diet and good pct. I really want to add npp and Win to this next cycle to put on some clean weight and harden up a little. I imagine its going to look a little like this (tentitive schedule).

1-10 Test Prop 100mg eod (300/week)
1-8 Npp 100mg eod (300/week)
7-12 Winstrol 50 mg ed (oral)

1-16 aromasin .25 mg ed
12-16 clomid ed 50/20/25/25

15 solid pounds


My biggest concern is how and when to dose the HCG. I know there are many schools of thought on this and Ive read the gamut of them only to know for sure that everybody does it a little differently. I imagine for this cycle I would run it through to the end of week twelve. Also... will I have trouble with joint pain because of the winstrol after cessation of npp?

Any comments, additions, critiques, corrections are encouraged. Thanks fellas.
 
You'll need some caber for this cycle just in case. I think your pct is kinda light, i'd run the clomid 100/50/50/50 and pick up some DAA, its cheap and effective. Run hcg at 500iu a week split into 250iu 2x a week starting week 3 all the way to week 12. The winny will probly b dry on your joints, just get some joint support.
 
ya beat me to it DR
 
I would run the HCG from weeks 2-3 on 250ius 2x a week... When you start to notice testicular Dystrophy... I would also say that you should stop the winny when you stop the test... So your gonna have 12 days with no test ester... I just think this will cause problems... You should extend you test 2 extra weeks.. Wait until the 3rd dayoff everything, then start your pct... Your gonna drop some weight from water renention with the npp and prop if you wait 2 weeks and go winny only. The DOC nailed it tho...
 
You dont wanna run two DHT base compounds tho bro.... I would pick the Mast over the winny.... Some believe thatmast can assist with gyno and can have AI "like" properties, but there def. isnt enough research to back this... i think you should use Mast if your below 10%. It shows striation very well and will make the skin paper like... but if you a bit above it and are jus tlooking to harden and be vascular, i would go the winny route.. hed really be rotating sites with all that oil...
 
DRSTRISMADAST said:
You dont wanna run two DHT base compounds tho bro.... I would pick the Mast over the winny.... Some believe thatmast can assist with gyno and can have AI "like" properties, but there def. isnt enough research to back this... i think you should use Mast if your below 10%. It shows striation very well and will make the skin paper like... but if you a bit above it and are jus tlooking to harden and be vascular, i would go the winny route.. hed really be rotating sites with all that oil...
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Yeah good point bro. I'd go with Mast if he's lean enough though, plus to avoid joint problems.
 
Thanks for the feedback fellas! Dr - as far as hcg, that's exactly how I figured it. Good call on daa, clomid boost noted also. As far as goals, I'm currently 12% bf at 210lbs and I'm looking mainly to add mass and harden up a bit. I'll be starting this cycle though closer to August so during this time I'll be working on cutting up and leaning out. I estimate my bf to be at most 10% by the time I start. With this in mind I think I'll take the test p/npp/var route. And I'm assuming from the suggestions that it's ok to run caber and aromasin simultaneously?

How's this look? :

1-12 test prop -- 300mg/week
1-10 npp -- 300/week
1-6 var -- 40mg ed
1-12 aromasin -- .25mg ed
3-12 hcg -- 250 iu 2x/week

-Caber on hand

Pct -- begin 4 days after last inject:

13-16 -- Aromasin-- .25 mg ed
13-16 -- Clomid-- 100/50/50/50
13-16 -- DAA
13- finish - 3 capsules Tropinol ed
 
I like it. Your aromasin dose is high though during your cycle, i'd do 12.5mg ED and even that may b alot since your dose r low. The var i'd run at 60-80 mg, 40 is weak. I'd add a cortisol inhibitor to your pct if u want to, its a good suggestion. Everything else looks good though bro.
 
I'm switching things up a bit..... Dose/compound change.... Here goes


1-14 test prop 350 mg (50 mg Ed)
1-13 npp 350 (50 mg Ed)
9-14 win 350 (50 mg Ed)

3-12 Hcg 250 iu 2x/week

1-18 aromasin 12.5 mg Ed
15-18 Clomid 100/50/50/50
15-18 DAA
15-18 tropinol

Caber on hand*

Comments/ concerns??
 
I am sensitive to progestin and gyno so if symptoms should show up from the npp what dose and timing should I use with the cab?!
 
I've never used it as this is my first cycle with a 19nor... I just know that my prolactin levels are slightly higher than normal for some reason so I anticipate that I'll end up having to use it at some point during my cycle. Unless you think the anti prog/estro properties of the Win will suffice.
 
Twisted Iron said:
I've never used it as this is my first cycle with a 19nor... I just know that my prolactin levels are slightly higher than normal for some reason so I anticipate that I'll end up having to use it at some point during my cycle. Unless you think the anti prog/estro properties of the Win will suffice.
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The winny might suffice. What's the half-life of caber though?
 
Caber has a half life of like 63-69 hours Im pretty sure. 2x a week @ .5mg is what I read. Some guys dose it at a 1g and as low as .25mg.

Google has the info. Google cabergoline half life. Its like the 2nd or 3rd link down.

Good looking cycle man. You gunna log the whole thing?
 
DangerDave said:
Caber has a half life of like 63-69 hours Im pretty sure. 2x a week @ .5mg is what I read. Some guys dose it at a 1g and as low as .25mg.

Google has the info. Google cabergoline half life. Its like the 2nd or 3rd link down.

Good looking cycle man. You gunna log the whole thing?
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Good info. Yeah so OP .5mg E3D is fine.
 
Appreciate the info guys!

Danger- you bet you're ass... I don't start till like mid summer though but I'll have reg updates once I do.
 
DRSTRISMADAST said:
You dont wanna run two DHT base compounds tho bro.... I would pick the Mast over the winny.... Some believe thatmast can assist with gyno and can have AI "like" properties, but there def. isnt enough research to back this... i think you should use Mast if your below 10%. It shows striation very well and will make the skin paper like... but if you a bit above it and are jus tlooking to harden and be vascular, i would go the winny route.. hed really be rotating sites with all that oil...
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as far as mast being an anti e i dont get how u say theres no scientific evidence because the origional reason it was developed was to treat breast cancers that thrive off of estrogen. and its effetive at doing so in much smaller doses then we use for building muscle
 
Twisted Iron said:
Appreciate the info guys!

Danger- you bet you're ass... I don't start till like mid summer though but I'll have reg updates once I do.
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Fock yeah. You better. I will be running my 16 weeker starting June. I will be running winny 6 weeks in it. Can't wait to see how yours goes.
 
4wk dbol @ 30/30/30/40
Wk1-14 test e 500mg I have enough to do 1g if I feel like it :-)
Wk10-16 winny 50mg

Hcg 250iu 2x ew wk4-13 maybe to 15 not sure have enough either way

Adex 2-16
EStane 16-20
Clomid
Daa
 
Yeah it will be. But it will be a lean bulk/ recomp so the longer I am on and body can adjust to the weight then more likely I am to keep it. 16 week cycle and about 5 weeks for pct... it will be epic!!!
 
DangerDave said:
Yeah it will be. But it will be a lean bulk/ recomp so the longer I am on and body can adjust to the weight then more likely I am to keep it. 16 week cycle and about 5 weeks for pct... it will be epic!!!
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That'll b sick though bro. I'm debating whether I will do a comp in november, if not I'm gonna do a nice lean bulk cycle too.
 
Changing things up yet again. Ive been debating on npp for a while due to my prolactin sensitivity and honestly, I dont want to deal with any of those sides as caber is insanely expensive, so Im cutting it out altogether. I'm juggling around a few diff combo ideas that include the following: test/mast/eq/and winn (not necessarily all at the same time).

rough sketch #1 (14 week lean bulk)
1-12 test e
1-12 eq
7-12 winn

rough sketch #2 (10 week lean bulk)

1-10 test p
1-10 mast (I know var is mild and Im not prone to mpb but is this still a bad idea?)
5-10 var


Rough sketch #3 (12 week lean bulk)

1-10 test e
1-10 EQ
1-10 mast


questions/comments/concerns/reservations/inputs/opinions/ or advices
 
Twisted Iron said:
See I think the test/eq/mast would be a super synergistic combo. Why do you think #2?
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Not of long esters/long cycles and EQ needs to b ran high and longer than 12 weeks. Prop 500-700mg, Mast Prop 500-700mg, and var 80mg ED equals big gains and its short and sweet, plus var will lean u out some.
 
Twisted Iron said:
Good call... I like it. Do you prefer the var to winn in that cycle?
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Definitely var, you'll have the doubling hardening effect with the mast and var is gonna put on good mass versus winny only hardening u up.
 
Twisted Iron said:
7 weeks into this cycle. I'm up 30lbs (from 195 to 225). I'm a monster. 150mg test p eod, 120mg NPP eod, 50mg Winn Ed.
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I'm jelly. Negged for having great gains/access to good gear.
 
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