promagnon-25

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Registration Number: 1505460

TERRY S. TRIADES
TERRY S TRIADES
21405 39TH AVE
BAYSIDE NY 11361
(718) 229-0100

Year Admitted in NY: 1966
Appellate Division
Department of Admission:
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Law School: ST JOHNS LAW SCHOOL
Registration Status: Currently registered
Next Registration: Jun 2006

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Triades Terry S Atty, (718) 229-0100, 21405 39th Ave, Bayside, NY 11361



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So I decided to try and call the toll-free number listed on the bottle just to see if it was actually a working number. It's midnight on Sunday night and much to my surprise a woman answered - "Peak Perfromance Labs how can I help you?" That was the last thing I was expecting so I...hung up. :blink:

So here I am envisioning some crazy Promagnon sweat-shop, with young impressionable gym-rats cranking out batch after batch of Promag round the clock, their only payment being bottles of Promagnon and autographed photos of Rich Gaspari.

:icon_lol:
 
Modoc said:
So I decided to try and call the toll-free number listed on the bottle just to see if it was actually a working number. It's midnight on Sunday night and much to my surprise a woman answered - "Peak Perfromance Labs how can I help you?" That was the last thing I was expecting so I...hung up. :blink:

So here I am envisioning some crazy Promagnon sweat-shop, with young impressionable gym-rats cranking out batch after batch of Promag round the clock, their only payment being bottles of Promagnon and autographed photos of Rich Gaspari.

:icon_lol:

ROFL......in all truth, it was probably an answering service....but I like your vision.....I can see them now drying out the chemicals on the spare tanning beds.
 
I'm out of daytime cell mins. for the next few days or I'd call and ask about the chemical.
I'd like to see if they'll answer as to it being a 4-chloro-methyltest precursor (of sorts).
 
Modoc said:
So I decided to try and call the toll-free number listed on the bottle just to see if it was actually a working number. It's midnight on Sunday night and much to my surprise a woman answered - "Peak Perfromance Labs how can I help you?" That was the last thing I was expecting so I...hung up. :blink:

So here I am envisioning some crazy Promagnon sweat-shop, with young impressionable gym-rats cranking out batch after batch of Promag round the clock, their only payment being bottles of Promagnon and autographed photos of Rich Gaspari.

:icon_lol:
I just called and she does not have any info. Does not even know the company's website address. Sounds pretty bogus to me, but then again I am pretty cynical to start. She did say she would take my name & phone# and have someone get back to me. I left my e-mail address and I will post any info that they forward.
 
I'm tellin you guys.. smoke and mirrors. BK was all over p-25 from the start.

Like I said, its good business. Look at DS and AX.
 
Alpine said:
I'm tellin you guys.. smoke and mirrors. BK was all over p-25 from the start.

Like I said, its good business. Look at DS and AX.
I agree it would be good business if it was similar to DS & AX. But this is not the case. DS acknowledged the fact that the rights to SD and others were given/sold to AX.
Gaspari & BK are denying any association with PPL: Invalid Link Removed.

Please do not say that it is to avoid any heat from the FDA because they are releasing Halodrol again so that theory doesn't float. Good business would be sell as much Halodrol as possible, then release another product. Or make public the association with PPL like DS did with AX. This is a completely different/new compound being released by a different company. Not the same situation as DS & AX.

Why would Gaspari falsely advertise the compound as being similar to halodrol when it was not?

This whole situation looks like more of an attempt to use Gaspari's publicity rather than a diversion of attention "smoke & mirrors" to avoid responsibility. JMO

Nothing personal and I'll retract the "seek medical help" comment.

peace
 
Just in from BK,

No. It is not owned by Rich or myself, I can tell you that much. I did design Pro-Magnon 25 for PPL (not the name, the compound) and the owners are stand up people but it is up to them to tell the world about themselves when they are ready, not me.


BK


Quote:
Originally Posted by jonny21
Could you provide a little more info on PPL. Anything found is a bit sketchy.

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This was copied & pasted from BB.com
 
has anyone even tried promagnon-25 yet? I ordered a bottle before i knew all of this. I hope it is still good. I also hope that island supplements still get their shipment of haladrol in.
 
jonny21 said:
Just in from BK,

No. It is not owned by Rich or myself, I can tell you that much. I did design Pro-Magnon 25 for PPL (not the name, the compound) and the owners are stand up people but it is up to them to tell the world about themselves when they are ready, not me.


BK


Quote:
Originally Posted by jonny21
Could you provide a little more info on PPL. Anything found is a bit sketchy.

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This was copied & pasted from BB.com

It was obvious from the start that BK had something to do with this. I still find it a little bit hard to believe a small no-name company can bring this to market so quickly. Even if BK designed it on paper for how did they produce it? It takes a lot to go from a raw powder to a finished product. You dont just decide you will sell something. This would take a large investment. And isnt BK working with Gaspari? Why would he be designing and licensing things to other companies (especially a non existant one).They barely have a website yet they can mass produce a fairly cutting edge prohormone? Most of these chems are sourced out of china but there are still packaging and processing costs especially in such a large scale. They also chose this fringe product to make their splash in the market? It just seems so odd to me. The mom and pop shop that the address matches up to surely didnt produce it. They have no R&D or processing facilities (i doubt). I think its time that people wake up. I have no problem w/ Gaspari diversifying under another name. Its smart business. I just think we as educated members of the boards should know and realize it. And what of the rumors that Halodrol would be back right when it was pulled. Industry insiders were saying Gaspari reps told them it would be back. It's all just a little odd. I think Gaspari is done w/ this type of supplement. The company is distancing itself from this type of thing all together. But there is money to be made with these type of products. More than one company has seen this and chosen to produce and distribute under another name.

I'm not trying to make something out of nothing. Look at the info that was dug up. I wouldnt doubt it if that lawyers that was found is employed by Gaspari. BK isnt out there floating in the wind licensing money making prohormones to no-name companies...cmon people. I dont want to sound delusional or paranoid. It just seems odd to me. Am I the only one?
 
I am glad we agree on something, this is very odd. All this subterfuge is ridiculous.

I guess it is another compound that we will have to wait and see how the real world results turn out.
 
Well, the layers of legal liability protection are valuable and to the extent that the Gaspari trademark has value in the marketplace, there is also value in putting distance between these type of compounds and the trademark.

However, it seems to me that they should have been more straight-up about this with an announcement such as this:

Gaspari has decided that the future of bodybuuilding lays in Blah blah blah. We therefore are no longer going to produce products like Halodrol, Orastan-E, blah blah blah. We have sold our intellectual property concerning such products to an exciting new company named PPL and wish them the best of luck with their business plan.

My guess is that looking at the Gaspari books next year will show a stream of income from PPL to Gaspari (or key Gaspari people as individuals). There are sophisticated ways to hide these trails of connection but they haven't employed any so far (really, hiring a small-time solo practioner to file the incorporation papers for you isn't like setting up a Bahamian trust that is owned by a Swiss trust that is owned by a Lebanese import/export company). It took me 10 minutes of research to dig up the info I posted previously.

It's a smart move for Gaspari to put some distance between itself and products such as this....they just didn't execute that move especially well.
 
BK at BB.com says Gaspari has decided to stop selling such products because they are going mainstream. Therefore, he (1) designed this compound; (2) sold said design to the man behind PPL as a private side deal (apart from his role with Gaspari); and (3) it is analogous to "non-aromatizabe (sic) precursor to methyl-test."
 
Wonder if this stuff will be as hepatoxic as the real deal. her is the profile so everyone knows what is being discussed, if they didn't already.

Pharmaceutical Name: Methyltestosterone
Chemical structure: 17alpha-methyl-4-androstene-3-one,17b-ol
Molecular weight of base: 302.4558




Effective dose: 25-50 mg/day
Average Street-price: $25-50 per 100 tabs
Available Doses: 1, 5, 10 and 25 mg tabs


Brands & Products:

Berco Testosteron (G) 40 mg/ml caps
Casel Afro (TK) 25 mg tabs
Ciba Metandren (US) 10 or 25 mg tabs
Galenika Androral (HU) 10 mg tabs
Test Lingvalete 5 mg sublingual drag.
Goldline Methyltestosterone (US) 10 mg tabs
ICN Pharm Android (US) 5,10,25 mg tabs
Testred (US) 10 mg caps
Jelfa Mesteron (PL) 10 mg tabs
Leciva Agovirin (CZ) 10 mg drag.
Medical SA Longivol (ES) 1 mg tabs
Remek Teston (GR) 25 mg tabs
Sahin Hormobin (TK) 5 mg tabs
Schering Oreton Methyl (US) 10 mg tabs
SIT Testovis (I) 10 mg tabs
Star Virilon time-released (US) 10 mg caps
Terapia Metil Testosteron (Rumania) 10 mg tabs
Unitas Testormon (PT) 10 mg tabs
Wyeth-Ayerst Mediatric (US) 10 mg tabs


Characteristics:

Methyltestosterone was, well, still is the worlds first oral steroid developed. Using the now infamous 17-alpha-methyl alteration to render the base hormone, testosterone, orally active. However, unlike the whole host of injectable testosterones, methyltest is a rather crude and not very well liked compound. Mostly due to this alteration. Methyltestosterone is to testosterone, what Dianabol (methandrostenolone) is to Equipoise (boldenone). On the one hand the 17-alpha-alkylation of the steroid gives it less affinity for the aromatase enzyme so less estrogen is formed, but as with Dianabol, the estrogen formed is 17-methyl-estradiol, which is much more potent. Just as we will notice serious bloat and water retention with Dianabol, we will see the same with methyltestosterone, but to a much greater degree, simply because the base structure has twice the tendency to aromatize. With this amount of estrogenic effects, gynocomastia is a very real threat and concomitant use of an anti-estrogen is strongly advised.

The alteration also decreases the affinity for other structures. First and foremost the androgen receptor. This offers us few benefits. Due to the decreased androgenic activity the potency of methyltestosterone is weaker than that of testosterone, but even in terms of androgenic risk nothing is really gained. Testosterone being the prime androgen, even with this alteration risk of hair loss, acne, prostate hypertrophy and a whole host of other side-effects is never far away. Also, where Dianabol has little to no conversion to a more active androgen by way of the 5-alpha-reductase enzyme, methyl-testosterone still shows fair affinity for this particular enzyme and converts to the powerful 17-methyl-Dihydrotestosterone. These type of side-effects alone will turn most experienced users off of methyl-testosterone, at least when equally priced and more controllable injectable products are available. As with any potent androgen, some men may develop aggressive tendencies during its use.

As with Dianabol, what we have on our hands here is a very potent mass builder and all in all an effective steroid when observed individually. 40-50 mg per day taken for just a few weeks can make drastic changes. But since many already find the bloat and fat gain of Dianabol a bit much to tolerate, this steroid is never in high demand. Dianabol is more available, provides extremely good results, is quite safe and comparatively cheap. So there is a multitude of reasons why methyltestosterone is rarely used. It seems, however, that it is making a re-introduction as a medical aid for oligospermic men, especially in the United States. One reason for this may in fact be the low demand for it on the black market, making more physicians comfortable in prescribing it due to a lowered chance of abuse.

Lastly, as with all 17-alpha-alkylated steroids, we need to mention the risk for liver damage. A methyl-testosterone product used for extensive time periods can cause severe hepatoxicity, so use is best limited to 6, maximum 8 weeks on end followed by an off-period of equal length or longer.

In conclusion, most will find methyl-testosterone to not be worth their while. The side-effects are ever present, and while they can easily be combated with a combination of arimidex and finasteride, it seems a bit idiotic to pay 15 or more dollars per day on ancillary drugs that will reduce the anabolic activity, while spending only 1-2 bucks at most on the steroid itself.

Stacking and Use:

Those still seeking to use methyltest will probably do so out of necessity and will not be stacking it with another anabolic/androgenic steroid. For such use 40-50 mg taken in a single daily dose upon waking, for a period no longer than 8 weeks would be ideal. Some may wish to use this steroid, like Dianabol, to kickstart a cycle and get results sooner at the beginning of a longer cycle of injectable testosterone, possibly stacked with another base compound such as boldenone or nandrolone. In that case 30 mg or so, again in a single morning dose, taken for the first 5-6 weeks of said cycle would provide the needed benefits. Since this is only useful in bulking stacks with aromatizable steroids, the resulting severity of side-effects will be grave. One needs to verify he is not at risk for hair loss or prostate hypertrophy first, and have ancillary drugs such as Nolvadex, arimidex and finasteride on hand to control the side-effects.

In terms of ancillaries, If gynocomastia symptoms should appear, one should start the use of 20 mg of Nolvadex daily and start a cycle of 0.5 mg of anastrozole (arimidex) alongside it. After 3-4 days, the Nolva can be discontinued, but the anastrozole should be continued for a while longer. Some have asked me about the use of Proviron in this matter, but in my opinion one needs to realize how much DHT will be present with the use of this compound to begin with, it may do more harm than good to add more of it (Proviron being a 1-methyl-DHT). So granted, anastrozole is quite expensive, but needs to be given preference here. I don't normally approve of the use of finasteride, because DHT often offers a steroid user more benefits than problems (apart from those prone to hair loss) and the blocking thereof may reduce the results obtained, in this case, especially at the beginning of a longer injectable testosterone cycle, one may choose to look into its use.

Natural testostosterone shutdown may be quite severe, so the use of HCG and Nolvadex or clomid post-cycle is virtually a must.
 
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You can see BK's reply here at BB

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It's at least a little easier to swallow if you take his word. Still seems a little amazing for such a small company with little resources to do this alone. in any case, they have made a decent splash. Any publicity is good publicity. :)
 
Does anyone remember when ALRIs forum was up what other compounds were on the list of them making????


come on guys we all voted on these compounds I remember the legal tren

I remember the legal TBOL

and I remember the legal DBOL that doesnt aromatase

were there any more???
 
Well ther you have it guys they chose the Tbol the OH-methyltest and the non aromatising and the legal tren

I see that the legal primo was also a 17b ester like the legal tren so maybe this was the stack two that never got put out by ALRI they were reffering to

So maybe they will still have new stuff on the horrizon guys???

We might still see legal primo and anavar pop up mysteriously guys
 
Bringing this back around then:

Progmagnon-25
4-chloro-17a-methyl-andro-4-ene-3,17bdiol

IS COMPARABLE TO WHAT? It would be delightful if the designer of the compound (BK) or someone from the mystery company would breifly explain what is expected of this product (good and bad) and how it should be used. It's crazy to dump this stuff into the marketplace without providing some basic guidance to the people who will eagerly gobble it up.:blink:
 
yeahright said:
Progmagnon-25
4-chloro-17a-methyl-andro-4-ene-3,17bdiol

IS COMPARABLE TO WHAT?
Methyltestosterone without the bloat per BK. Post 64 has the profile of methyltest.
 
jonny21 said:
Methyltestosterone without the bloat per BK. Post 64 has the profile of methyltest.

I appreciate the answer but we're all piecing this together and I was hoping someone with actual knowledge (BK or company rep) would chime-in.

For example, why no bloat? Why should this compound behave differently from methyltest? The write-up for the product makes it sound like it's perfect (strength, no bloat, no estro conversion) but there are ALWAYS trade-offs. What are those trade-offs? Is this stuff massively toxic? Does it shut HPTA down unusually fast or hard? The folks responsible for this should make a reasonable effort to level with people.

For example: "We expect great strength gains but this will be hepatoxic and appropriate ancillaries and PCT should be emphasized. Don't stack this with BLAH BLAH BLAH. Although we don't expect blah blah blah."
 
Modoc said:
Ok kids I have a bottle of this in hand. Here is the info listed on the label for PPL...

Peak Performance Laboratories, LLC.
Merrick, NY 11566
1-877-358-PEAK (7325)
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Check out the web page - It looks like the site of some mom & pop fitness center, no mention of PPL or Promagnon. And no, the website is not a typo, that's exactly what is listed on the bottle.

Someone posted a different web address:

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Can you confirm which one is listed on the bottle?
 
WheyGood said:
Hilarious! :icon_lol:




:rofl: Obfuscation on BB.com … clumsy subterfuge with a mom-and-pop front company … Cro-Magnon-esque workers slaving away to produce Pro-magnon 25 … and tanning beds!?! WTF!

yeahright, great detective work ... very funny observations. :rofl:
one fine day at the Peak Performance gym..err labs.

Pa: Honey, I need some money.
Ma: What for are we out of RedBull?
Pa. No I need some reductive agents to reduce this testosterone base.
Ma: Why can't you just use the wacker method.
Pa: Hey who's the organic chemist here? you or me?
Ma: Okay but don't call that guy in Bejing, He wants a 20 kilo commitment.
Pa: 20 keys? does he want the FDA up my butt?..I'm going back to selling memberships and self-tanners
Ma: ahmen. Those customs bribes were taking all my social security money! Call Gaspari tell em were out!!!
 
yeahright said:
Bringing this back around then:

Progmagnon-25
4-chloro-17a-methyl-andro-4-ene-3,17bdiol

IS COMPARABLE TO WHAT? It would be delightful if the designer of the compound (BK) or someone from the mystery company would breifly explain what is expected of this product (good and bad) and how it should be used. It's crazy to dump this stuff into the marketplace without providing some basic guidance to the people who will eagerly gobble it up.:blink:
Well, even if this stuff is a dead on precusor for Oral Turinabol and Halodrol is a Oral Turinabol(OT) clone. I just don't remember OT being all that. I think it was basically developed for its low side profile and undetectability( at the time) It is a mild anabolic and you trade androgenic sides for heptoxicity. I believe the germans used it the last few weeks before a contest. I guess to reduce the liver exposure. Maybe the addition of TMG( if that is the case ) makes Halodrol a little more powerful but I am not sure if that would be on the androgenic or anabolic side. So, I will wait until everbody gets done with their " beta-testing "... HAhaha!
 
yeahright said:
Someone posted a different web address:

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Can you confirm which one is listed on the bottle?

It is as I originally posted it, without a doubt, PeakPerformanceusa.com in blue lettering underneath the address info. Perhaps it was a typo by the label-printer, but you would think that they would proof-read that, no? I can post a pic of the label if you guys want. If someone has a bottle with a different web addy that would be a bit odd.
 
Modoc said:
It is as I originally posted it, without a doubt, PeakPerformanceusa.com in blue lettering underneath the address info. Perhaps it was a typo by the label-printer, but you would think that they would proof-read that, no? I can post a pic of the label if you guys want. If someone has a bottle with a different web addy that would be a bit odd.


I believe you but posting a pic would be cool. I just think that (cue dramatic music) "the folks behind promagnon-25" figured out that a website offering tanning beds didn't up their credibility....so they bought the other domain and created a one page website advertising that product.
 
WheyGood said:
With all the scrutiny on this board, I guess Rich and BK got on the phone to their "web man" and ordered up a new site. A one-page website only ups this company's credibility ever so slightly.

Analyzing the source code, I see that both sites were built with Adobe GoLive ... hardly any web designers / developers use that tool.

- WG
Peak Performance gym/labs/webdesisgn-

Ma & pa are now happy to announce the addition of discount web design to the list of personal services now available... call for details! remember when you think of tan, buff organic chemists who can design a good blog think of Peak Performance..Call quickly before our "cracked" Java tool expires and recieve free applets!!!!
 
Personally, I am holding out for when Peak Performance releases their own yoga dvd's...

hahaha this thread has me in stitches...i too can picture a giant sweatshop just churning out promagnon, while all the little kiddies are hopped up on SuperPump250 and whatever else Gaspari donated :rofl:
 
WheyGood said:
Screenshot captured for posterity:
I smell a ma and pa flash enhanced future for that web address, maybe a metafiltered bulletin board system....RSS, real time chat..it boggles the mind..better living through chemistry!

Then again it could be a hotmail address and a pdf with an ebay hyperlink..ooooo!
 
WheyGood said:
Screenshot captured for posterity:
ty for posting a screenie my cable connection was having a hard time downloading all the graphics/music that site utilizes... :rofl:
 
bearmeat said:
Apparently it is NOT the exact same thing. Bruce Kneller and Bill Llewellyn both have said it is not the same chemically (you can decide whether you can take their word for it). You can compare the two actives yourself.

ProMagnon-25: 4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-4-ene-3,17b-diol


Halodrol-50: 4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-1,4-diene-3,17b-diol

Bill on BB.com: If that chemical name is correct, it is not the same thing as Halodrol. This lacks a 1-ene. It is a precursor to 4-chloromethyltestosterone (a methylated derrivative of Clostebol/Megagrisevit Mono) instead.

Bruce on BB.com: The PPL product is the 4-halogenated precursor to 4-chloro-methyltestosterone while the GN product is the 4-halogenated precursor to Oral Turinabol.

Sorry to go off topic, but I didn't think H-50 was a prohormone, I thought it was a steroid very similar to OT. It even says that in the washington post article, I wasn't aware there was any conversion needed?
 
BHERTZ said:
Since when is 50mg of any oral, methylated product "commonplace"? i.e. - the threads about people getting jaundice and hospital treatment after they took just 40mg of SD for a full cycle. Just curious...

Its not a low amount, but d-bol, var, t-bol, winny and other methyls have been used in 50mg ED and over. Not that is healthy ;)
 
Pro Magnon 25

I am actually finishing my bottle. Ithink its great. I take 2 a day for 30 days. Now I have done the real stuff and sure its not the same, but to tell you the truth, I have gotten great gains. I have gotten the gains, but with no water retention, so its different. I havent even been dieting that good with it or even working out really hard due to being busy with work and all. I am in my 30's now, so its tougher, but I def vouch for this product. If you want to get some good size without going to far, its good..i give it a 10 out of 10..

I found out that they are a new company, not Gaspari. I heard they have the best formulators in the industry working for one company. Peak Performance labs. I heard that they are also coming out with 2 new products. A diet PRoduct and a powder. I also heard that due to the whole haladrol thing, they had to ship out quicker than anticipated whcih is the reason not much info on the company. I think they are launching marketing campagin, website, etc soon.

Hey if all the best formulators in the industry are working for one company, and I liked the ProMagnon, I am sold as a customer..
 
BHERTZ said:
As far as I can tell (IMO) halodrol is 50mg of a methylated product...that just doesnt seem right. i mean think about it - 50mg of SD or M1T is unheard of.

Gaspari probably realized he was promoting death in a bottle, and decided to phase out H-50 (notice you can only find it for $100+) and introduce P-25 under some weird pseudo name...that way the buzz about H-50 is still alive but in a safer product...let's find some guinea pigs now haha
Serving size doesn't have everything to do with hepatotoxicity with 17aa's.
 
Neo said:
I am actually finishing my bottle. Ithink its great. I take 2 a day for 30 days. Now I have done the real stuff and sure its not the same, but to tell you the truth, I have gotten great gains. I have gotten the gains, but with no water retention, so its different. I havent even been dieting that good with it or even working out really hard due to being busy with work and all. I am in my 30's now, so its tougher, but I def vouch for this product. If you want to get some good size without going to far, its good..i give it a 10 out of 10..

I found out that they are a new company, not Gaspari. I heard they have the best formulators in the industry working for one company. Peak Performance labs. I heard that they are also coming out with 2 new products. A diet PRoduct and a powder. I also heard that due to the whole haladrol thing, they had to ship out quicker than anticipated whcih is the reason not much info on the company. I think they are launching marketing campagin, website, etc soon.

Hey if all the best formulators in the industry are working for one company, and I liked the ProMagnon, I am sold as a customer..
That is sound logic, but what exactly are they Formulatin'?
Do you mean organic chemistry type formulatin' or third party anecdotal marketing formulatin'?
 
Who is this Neo, and what company does he work for? Why does he have information about new products from this company? J/K....maybe
 
Neo said:
I am actually finishing my bottle. Ithink its great. I take 2 a day for 30 days. Now I have done the real stuff and sure its not the same, but to tell you the truth, I have gotten great gains. I have gotten the gains, but with no water retention, so its different. I havent even been dieting that good with it or even working out really hard due to being busy with work and all. I am in my 30's now, so its tougher, but I def vouch for this product. If you want to get some good size without going to far, its good..i give it a 10 out of 10..

I found out that they are a new company, not Gaspari. I heard they have the best formulators in the industry working for one company. Peak Performance labs. I heard that they are also coming out with 2 new products. A diet PRoduct and a powder. I also heard that due to the whole haladrol thing, they had to ship out quicker than anticipated whcih is the reason not much info on the company. I think they are launching marketing campagin, website, etc soon.

Hey if all the best formulators in the industry are working for one company, and I liked the ProMagnon, I am sold as a customer..
Well, with such a glowing recommendation from such an established member who could not go run out and stock up this one.

Do you think it possible to give a little less detail?
 
Neo said:
I am actually finishing my bottle. Ithink its great. I take 2 a day for 30 days. Now I have done the real stuff and sure its not the same, but to tell you the truth, I have gotten great gains. I have gotten the gains, but with no water retention, so its different. I havent even been dieting that good with it or even working out really hard due to being busy with work and all. I am in my 30's now, so its tougher, but I def vouch for this product. If you want to get some good size without going to far, its good..i give it a 10 out of 10..

I found out that they are a new company, not Gaspari. I heard they have the best formulators in the industry working for one company. Peak Performance labs. I heard that they are also coming out with 2 new products. A diet PRoduct and a powder. I also heard that due to the whole haladrol thing, they had to ship out quicker than anticipated whcih is the reason not much info on the company. I think they are launching marketing campagin, website, etc soon.

Hey if all the best formulators in the industry are working for one company, and I liked the ProMagnon, I am sold as a customer..
Wow, this made me sad enough to actually make my first post. Thought I could go longer with just reading everyday but I was just so impressed with NEO's write up that I had to bust on the scene with one big LOL!

Anyway hey guys I'm on day eight of this stuff and so far it's been so so. I didn't really wanna post much about this cycle because I'm stacking it and I'm on a C-K-D to boot so who knows what's coming from what and didn't wanna give it a good or bad rep off my results. But one thing I've had so far is some joint pain that I can only attribute to the Promagnon-25. Any simple questions I'll be glad to answer but like i said I don't wanna start a log on this or anything due to the other elements.
 
Neo said:
I am actually finishing my bottle. Ithink its great. I take 2 a day for 30 days. Now I have done the real stuff and sure its not the same, but to tell you the truth, I have gotten great gains. I have gotten the gains, but with no water retention, so its different. I havent even been dieting that good with it or even working out really hard due to being busy with work and all. I am in my 30's now, so its tougher, but I def vouch for this product. If you want to get some good size without going to far, its good..i give it a 10 out of 10..

I found out that they are a new company, not Gaspari. I heard they have the best formulators in the industry working for one company. Peak Performance labs. I heard that they are also coming out with 2 new products. A diet PRoduct and a powder. I also heard that due to the whole haladrol thing, they had to ship out quicker than anticipated whcih is the reason not much info on the company. I think they are launching marketing campagin, website, etc soon.

Hey if all the best formulators in the industry are working for one company, and I liked the ProMagnon, I am sold as a customer..

Wow! You sure do hear a lot! Any how, there is someone running a log of this on here. So far nothing great form their report, except more endurance. I think he is upping his dosages to 50mgs a day now. I 'm gonna follow this one and see what happens.

Oracle-
 
Neo said:
I am actually finishing my bottle. Ithink its great. I take 2 a day for 30 days. Now I have done the real stuff and sure its not the same, but to tell you the truth, I have gotten great gains. I have gotten the gains, but with no water retention, so its different. I havent even been dieting that good with it or even working out really hard due to being busy with work and all. I am in my 30's now, so its tougher, but I def vouch for this product. If you want to get some good size without going to far, its good..i give it a 10 out of 10..

I found out that they are a new company, not Gaspari. I heard they have the best formulators in the industry working for one company. Peak Performance labs. I heard that they are also coming out with 2 new products. A diet PRoduct and a powder. I also heard that due to the whole haladrol thing, they had to ship out quicker than anticipated whcih is the reason not much info on the company. I think they are launching marketing campagin, website, etc soon.

Hey if all the best formulators in the industry are working for one company, and I liked the ProMagnon, I am sold as a customer..

I heard you're a shill for the company with your very first post.

Look, this stuff may be the greatest in the world but no one is going to believe it until you come out from behind your false user-ID and talk with your potential customers about the product.
 
somewhatgifted said:
Wow that blurb by neo reminds me of muscle tech ads, 10 pounds of muscle with no bloat form cell tech you bet!!

Yeah, and it can make you look like fat ass Greg Kovack( or what ever the heel his name was) Off topic, SORRY, but has anyone seen pictures lately of big Greg Kovack......YUK!!!! NASTY!!! I saw some, and that dude messed his body up big time!:run:
 
How about one of those " oops! Not quite ready yet! We are still remodeling. Please visit our sister site gaspari.com key word- GULIBLE
 
??? said:
Apparently it is NOT the exact same thing. Bruce Kneller and Bill Llewellyn both have said it is not the same chemically (you can decide whether you can take their word for it). You can compare the two actives yourself.

ProMagnon-25: 4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-4-ene-3,17b-diol


Halodrol-50: 4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-1,4-diene-3,17b-diol

Bill on BB.com: If that chemical name is correct, it is not the same thing as Halodrol. This lacks a 1-ene. It is a precursor to 4-chloromethyltestosterone (a methylated derrivative of Clostebol/Megagrisevit Mono) instead.

Bruce on BB.com: The PPL product is the 4-halogenated precursor to 4-chloro-methyltestosterone while the GN product is the 4-halogenated precursor to Oral Turinabol.

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Neo said:
I am actually finishing my bottle. Ithink its great. I take 2 a day for 30 days. Now I have done the real stuff and sure its not the same, but to tell you the truth, I have gotten great gains. I have gotten the gains, but with no water retention, so its different. I havent even been dieting that good with it or even working out really hard due to being busy with work and all. I am in my 30's now, so its tougher, but I def vouch for this product. If you want to get some good size without going to far, its good..i give it a 10 out of 10..

I found out that they are a new company, not Gaspari. I heard they have the best formulators in the industry working for one company. Peak Performance labs. I heard that they are also coming out with 2 new products. A diet PRoduct and a powder. I also heard that due to the whole haladrol thing, they had to ship out quicker than anticipated whcih is the reason not much info on the company. I think they are launching marketing campagin, website, etc soon.

Hey if all the best formulators in the industry are working for one company, and I liked the ProMagnon, I am sold as a customer..


Where I'm from, we call that a spammer.:duel:
 
WheyGood said:
The last time I saw pics of Greg Kovacs, he appeared at the '04 Arnold Classic with less mass and a huge gut. Too bad ... that guy seemed to have real potential, despite the obvious hype to help promote Cell-Tech.

Speaking of Cell-Tech, apparently that stuff causes users to get bloated, distended stomachs! Damn, that **** is worse than taking massive amounts of GH. :blink:





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Damn, thats a shame!! Maybe some Promag will help him get back on top!:trout: J/K!
 
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