Promagnon-25 Log

machinehead said:
I like the idea of adding additional sets, but I don't agree with going to failure on every set. It has been shown that going to failure kills your CNS and does not help in building muscle. The fatigue you feel afterwards is not muscle fatigue, it's neural fatigue. Try to stay a rep or two shy of failure.
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yeah, i think do take it to failure too often. i think i'm going to follow your advice and change my style a little.

however, i have read conflicting views on this topic. some swear by lifting as heavy as you can and to failure every time you pick up a weight.
 
Weather you go to failure for me depends on weather Iam cutting or bulking. If Iam bulking I will throw as much weight as I can and do short reps. beweet 6 and 8. when I am cutting I lower the weight and go to about 10-12 reps. I dont really worry about failure when I am on a cycle untile the last set or 2 because I wont want to risk injury
 
found this from the book building the book "Building the Perfect Beast"

<Quote> METHYLTESTOSTERONE Don't look for any good words for this liver killer,
gyno causing, headache inducing drug from me. Funny irony to think about. Last year
while researching a possible pro hormone structure, I discovered a way to introduce 4-
Androstenediol into the system in a way that induced GI track conversion to
Methyltestosterone and absorption at a very high rate. (And it was legal) <Quote>

do you think this is how they created Promagnon-25?

i also noticed Peak Performance Labs include 505mg of a support blend. maybe this support helps to keep it from aromatizing to estrogen and also protect the liver?? also the above comments could explain the headaches??
 
yeah, but if that were the case ppl would be getting some bloat. there getting none and are getting ripped. what are the thoughts of this being detected in a drug test?
 
400runner said:
yeah, but if that were the case ppl would be getting some bloat. there getting none and are getting ripped. what are the thoughts of this being detected in a drug test?
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The 4-chloro is what changes it, and takes away the neg sides such as bloat, gyno..etc. Just like OT is said to be like Dianabol, sans the bloat, and not as massive gains as Dbol due to the less water retention.
 
End of Week 3:

alright, i've successfully completed my 3rd week of p-25.

still hovering around 178 lbs (up 2 lbs in 3 weeks).
the gains i've made are nothing to brag about.

however i am:
more vascular
muscles are harder and defined
i'm leaner
stronger
have more endurance

i wouldn't blame the lack of gains completly on p-25g as i've haven't really increased my calorie intake as i had planned. i've been eating clean, but just not as much as i want to. my appetite hasn't seemed to be as strong as others seem to experience while on cycle.

overall, i've been getting a very nice body recomp.
and i won't complain because the definition makes me look bigger even though i don't weigh a lot more.

nuts haven't shrunk. no acne. no hair loss. no lethargy.

have noticed maybe a little moodiness or aggression at times.
and still have the mild headaches accompanied with dehydration feelings.

that's all for now.
 
Hank Vangut said:
End of Week 3:

alright, i've successfully completed my 3rd week of p-25.

still hovering around 178 lbs (up 2 lbs in 3 weeks).
the gains i've made are nothing to brag about.

however i am:
more vascular
muscles are harder and defined
i'm leaner
stronger
have more endurance

i wouldn't blame the lack of gains completly on p-25g as i've haven't really increased my calorie intake as i had planned. i've been eating clean, but just not as much as i want to. my appetite hasn't seemed to be as strong as others seem to experience while on cycle.

overall, i've been getting a very nice body recomp.
and i won't complain because the definition makes me look bigger even though i don't weigh a lot more.

nuts haven't shrunk. no acne. no hair loss. no lethargy.

have noticed maybe a little moodiness or aggression at times.
and still have the mild headaches accompanied with dehydration feelings.

that's all for now.
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Thanks for keeping us updated.
 
Good log man. and about the blood pressure machines at wal-mart, on the machine most of them say the are inaccurate on arms bigger than 12-13 inches. And also I don't think that taking a gram of potassium is a good idea, because you can OD on potassium and that is a lot to take. Just eat some bananas, they got rid of M1T back cramps for me, and I was only eating 2-3 a day.
 
bump for how the rest is going. let us know how your pct goes and how badly you feel "shutdown" after you have ended your cycle. your awesome for keeping a sweet and honest log.
 
Day 24 of cycle:

work-outs have been really good this week! so far from this cycle i am:
up 40lbs on my squats
up 40lbs on my deadlifts
up 30lbs on my bench

however, i have noticed i need a longer warm-up to lift heavy
usually i don't do much of a warm-up but my muscles and joints seem to really need it now.

also, notice some pain in my elbows when working my tricepts (especially in my first set). joint pain has never really been a problem for me except for one time several years ago when i lifted too heavy on overhead presses and tweaked my shoulder.

still no change in my total weight.

yesterday, i started taking creatine mono again. it seems to have helped ease the dehydration feeling i've had on this cycle.
i've been off creatine for 5 weeks. i know this is a much debated topic but read an article where it says taking creatine during a cycle is very benefitial. i was planning on starting creatine back up next week when i start my PCT anyway - so just started it a little early.

i believe going off creatine 5 weeks ago contributed to the initial weight loss i experienced. i am anticipating a 5-10lb gain from starting this back up.
 
thought i'd give an update -

as of 2/14/06:
completed: 4 week Promagnon-25 cycle
completed: 1st week of PCT

i can say from just my experience that p-25 works! since its only my first cycle i can't say how it compares to other products but i have seen some great results!! am leaner and more defined and much stronger. still hanging in around 3lbs heavier from the cycle but have lost some fat all over and i wasn't carying much fat in the first place. i wish now that i took some before and after pics.

overall my look isn't significantly changed - i'm just a lot more defined. - which i really like. i wish it was summer and had an excuse to take my shirt off.

so far PCT has been good. haven't lost any strength at the gym and i'm the same size and feel so far.
for the first week of PCT i was taking 75mg/day of RXT
planning on droping it to 50mg for the next few weeks then finally to 25mg.
also taking DHEA 2000mg/day

from the RXT -i think i may be showing some low estrogen signs. my fingernail broke yesterday and was bleeding. they seem more brittle and fragile??

also, don't really feel "shut down" like a lot of people report after a cycle. but from what i've read it is still good insurance to run PCT anyway. is this right?

i'm getting my final blood work in 3 weeks. i'll make sure to post results for everyone.

have a happy valentines day!
 
the promag will still be in your system for awhile, i keep gaining when i go off. its more like 3 week off to 6 weeks off that you really can tell. IMO. Youll be fine tho. great job. happy V day
 
Calcium and magnesium deficiencies cause cramping try a generic Calmag to help. Stress, lack of sleep, and caffeine can all cause lack of Calmag.
 
i am feeling one post cycle side: depression

during my cycle i felt awesome! full of energy and in a good mood.

now i seem to feel like the glass is half empty.
it makes me want to start another cycle immediatly. can people become physically or emotionally addicted to AAS?

i understand that depression is common during PCT. does anyone know of any supplement or things i can do to help?
 
sorry to hear that hank but you are not alone, it happens to everyone Post cycle and 3 to 6 weeks out is when it hits hard.
Try some stimulants, cortisol blockers, mood elevators and dont stop training........ know it will pass, dont let it slip as you now know the reality of PH and AAS. Its ups and downs but if you can maintain the downs you will be ok.
Just takes time for your test to level out and youll be feeling and looking great in no time.
 
Hank Vangut said:
i am feeling one post cycle side: depression

during my cycle i felt awesome! full of energy and in a good mood.

now i seem to feel like the glass is half empty.
it makes me want to start another cycle immediatly. can people become physically or emotionally addicted to AAS?

i understand that depression is common during PCT. does anyone know of any supplement or things i can do to help?
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This is common as your body tries to get its hormone balance in order. Sure you felt awesome on cycle, but remember, it was THAT FEELING which was artificial. You were jacked full of designer gear and of course you felt great. Now that designer gear is gone and your natural hormones are out of whack. It will pass. Follow the advice given, take some stimulants, keep training, get plenty of sleep (all of this on top of a proper pct). One day soon you'll wake up and realize that you're feeling back to normal.
 
Hank Vangut said:
i am feeling one post cycle side: depression

during my cycle i felt awesome! full of energy and in a good mood.

now i seem to feel like the glass is half empty.
it makes me want to start another cycle immediatly. can people become physically or emotionally addicted to AAS?

i understand that depression is common during PCT. does anyone know of any supplement or things i can do to help?
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Maybe run some Camphibolic, i love the stuff. Good recomp effects in the long term and bacopa lifts mood.
 
Hank Vangut said:
i am feeling one post cycle side: depression

during my cycle i felt awesome! full of energy and in a good mood.

now i seem to feel like the glass is half empty.
it makes me want to start another cycle immediatly. can people become physically or emotionally addicted to AAS?
?
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Whats not addicting about looking good and making positive body changes. As long as your not dependant on the drugs, your just getting periodic pushes in the right direction. At this point im becoming quite concerned as ive been eating alot more chicken and well..... i think its getting serious.... I think i have a problem. HAng in there hank.:icon_lol:
 
hey what's goin' on hank? u really depressed or tighed up. seems everything was goin' cool , then one day you had the pct blues.........and that was your last post.

everything cool?
 
400runner said:
i plan on running it in about 3 weeks
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Keep us posted please. The people behind the company never really came out into the light of day. BK (who acknowledged designing the compound) is going to the greybar hotel, and then Halodrol was re-issued eclipsing Promagnon......so this product never really caught on. It might be the best thing since sliced bread but with all the mystery and drama surrounding its release, it's kinda gotten lost. I'm curious about real-world feedback.
 
Hank Vangut said:
i understand that depression is common during PCT. does anyone know of any supplement or things i can do to help?
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Yeah, I recommend rhodiola + ashwaganda.
 
i'm still here. just not a lot to report.

i'm scheduled to complete my 4th week pct this tuesday. i already feel back to normal.

i did get several days (off and on) where i felt really bummed in my first two weeks of pct. also my libido was non existent during the same period. now i'm feeling fine and back to normal.

i'm going to call to schedule a blood test w/my doctor this week.
i'd like to see what this stuff did to my lipids and how much stress it put on my liver. from just feel i'd guess that not much has changed as i didn't really feel shut down or even slightly sick the entire cycle. i'll be sure to share the results with you when i get them back.

i've noticed my strength has declined a little in the last 1-2 weeks but i'm still substantially stronger than before i started this cycle. my weight is the same as before (up 3-4 lbs over all) but i look awesome! i'm very happy with the results i've obtained. i'm already planning my next cycle - maybe run it this june. thinking of trying superdrol or h-50. i'd like to see how p-25 compares.

anyone else out there tried p-25 and knows how it compares to other similar compouds?
 
i have to admit, i feel like i'm one of the only idiots out there who has tried this stuff. don't get me wrong, i liked p-25 and feel i got excellent results. just doesn't seem to be very many people out there who have tried it.

hey 400runner - did you pick some up?

p-25 got a lot of hype when h-50 was out of stock - right when i bought my bottle of this stuff. now that h-50 is back, and there are soo many other similar products on the market today, p-25 doesn't seem that special. also, seems like a little less known company with less marketing hype behind it.
 
Hank Vangut said:
i have to admit, i feel like i'm one of the only idiots out there who has tried this stuff. don't get me wrong, i liked p-25 and feel i got excellent results. just doesn't seem to be very many people out there who have tried it.

hey 400runner - did you pick some up?

p-25 got a lot of hype when h-50 was out of stock - right when i bought my bottle of this stuff. now that h-50 is back, and there are soo many other similar products on the market today, p-25 doesn't seem that special. also, seems like a little less known company with less marketing hype behind it.
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Why should you feel like an idiot? Because you got some nice results from a supplement? Nah bro, you aint an idiot for trying it, it's just like yeahright stated earlier, it got overshowded by the re-release of H-50, and it was from a smaller company comming out of no where, with not much advertising. So it never caught on. But People will start using it, you broke the ice:thumbsup:! Hope the blood work comes up good, and good to hear you got over your pct blues!
 
not yet, but will be running it very soon. i wont be doing it for muscle mass or anything like that, but will be doing if for cutting and help with track workouts.
 
Well I too am going to try Promagnon...bought it today because the order I put in for H-50 is in limbo and don't know when it's coming. Walked into our local supp. store and 1 bottle of Pro left. (52.00)

Stats goin in:
39 yrs old
WT - 190
BP - 385
Sqt - 405
Deads - 0 bad back

mainly training for strength , but don't mind some bulk.
I'm an "old"man and tried everthing. I'll keep you all posted and hope for the best.
 
Your not an idiot...my order for H50 was put on back order...several emails and b/s and they want to send SD...I walked into the supp store and there was a 1 bottle of Pro 25 left...bought it and this is day three...I've taken everything over the last 20 years. I will keep up and let you know what results if any I get...These supp companies have their #$%^ together...everything is hyped up and then taken away...the price on H 50 went up $20 in 3 days ..thats b/s
 
I got a bottle myself Kish, why dont u start a log in the cycle section, as we r both old men, I am interseted to see how u react to it, good luck....
 
RipdnTxs said:
I got a bottle myself Kish, why dont u start a log in the cycle section, as we r both old men, I am interseted to see how u react to it, good luck....
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I'll try to keep everyone up to date...I will try to fond the time..Good luck to you. I like the old man comment...all my training partners are in their early 20's...you a powerlifter or BB...?
 
Yea my training partner is 24, I hate him no pains, no aches, I pretty much just BB with a few power compound moves, due to a few nagging aches, the Cissus has helped alot though.....
 
hi there.

just wanted to give a quick update -

haven't got my blood work done yet. i'm now planning on getting it done at the end of April since the local news channel is having a health fair where blood tests are only $22. my doc is soo much more expensive. i'd like to see my values now, but don't feel like spending the $$. anyway it will be good to get results then as i am planning maybe another cycle of h-50 or sd in May to compare.

today i feel i've fully recovered. didn't ever feel too shut down but did loose some sex drive and felt depressed during the pct.
probably just coming back to reality - because i felt like superman on cycle!

now, i'm just supplementing w/creatine, protein, milk thistle, fish oil and a multi.
i seemed to have lost a little strength in the past 2 weeks but am still much stronger than prior to my cycle. i'm maintaining my weight. not sure if i look as defined as i did on cycle. looks like i may have added a little water/bloat. or maybe, i've just got used to the new look.

i want to thank everyone here at AM who gave me such good feedback, advice and criticism. this board is awesome! it has so many very knowledgeable people and is such a great wealth of information.
 
Glad to hear it hank. This sounds weird but do you keep a journal? If you do it provides a basis for comparison. When on cycle you typically feel great, when coming off some loose some steam. If you have some hard evidence to go back to and read its much more likely to be accurate. If i measure my bi's weigh my body and caliper my fat shouldnt i also keep track of my mental instabilities if any were present. When you look back most people generalize good, bad, ok, i just hink it would be a gopod idea on bad days tyo go back and read "i feel incredible" to remind you your goona be ok and tyhis is part of the "cycle". Im doing it now, we'll see if it keeps me grounded.
 
somewhatgifted said:
Glad to hear it hank. This sounds weird but do you keep a journal? If you do it provides a basis for comparison. When on cycle you typically feel great, when coming off some loose some steam. If you have some hard evidence to go back to and read its much more likely to be accurate. If i measure my bi's weigh my body and caliper my fat shouldnt i also keep track of my mental instabilities if any were present. When you look back most people generalize good, bad, ok, i just hink it would be a gopod idea on bad days tyo go back and read "i feel incredible" to remind you your goona be ok and tyhis is part of the "cycle". Im doing it now, we'll see if it keeps me grounded.
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very good point! we do all measure physical changes (weight, measurements, strenght) but i seldom hear of people keeping a log of how they actually feel. and this is probably the most important measurement of all. we all work so hard in the gym and eat clean to feel good and positive about ourselves. i'm going to add this into the notebook where i keep my workout and measurement progress recorded.
 
hey, just revisiting my old log from last yr.

i've since run a superdrol cycle.

i have to say that my experience was:
P-25 had milder sides than SD
size gains from SD were better, but i lost more post cycle.
strength gains were equal
p-25 improved my libido while SD shut it down
nads got smaller on SD
SD gave me back pumps, none on P-25
SD gave me lethargy, none on P-25

overall, SD is fun because it put on more mass. but i felt like crap for the second half of the cycle. i didn't get a blood test after running SD but i bet my profile was shot.

i like them both for their own reasons.
 
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