Promagnon 25(Help Needed!!)

[NathanKari]

Promagnon 25(Help Needed!!)(It's a Log now)

Hi guys,
I am kinda new to this, and this is the first time i am on pro-hormones.
I am currently 2 weeks through (in a 4week cycle) using Promagnon 25. I was taking one tablet a day for the first 3 days and then took it upto 2 for the last 12 days.
i was leaning out, for the first 2 weeks and now I am starting to bulk up.
I weighed in at 159 lbs before the start of the cycle at 8.25% body fat. 2 weeks through the cycle i am 160lbs at 7.5% body fat.
I am using liver-x, hawthorn berry, CQ10, vitamin C, vitamin E along with promagnon. I am also drinking a gallon and a half of water.
Everything was all right for the last 2 weeks. However, i have been feeling really flushed for the last 2 nights, and every now and then, it feels like my body is on fire, but the funny thing is, my temperature is normal and so is my blood pressure. I haven't be able to sleep very good though.
ANY SUGGESTIONS?

 

[ripped218]

Hi guys,
I am kinda new to this, and this is the first time i am on pro-hormones.
I am currently 2 weeks through (in a 4week cycle) using Promagnon 25. I was taking one tablet a day for the first 3 days and then took it upto 2 for the last 12 days.
i was leaning out, for the first 2 weeks and now I am starting to bulk up.
I weighed in at 159 lbs before the start of the cycle at 8.25% body fat. 2 weeks through the cycle i am 160lbs at 7.5% body fat.
I am using liver-x, hawthorn berry, CQ10, vitamin C, vitamin E along with promagnon. I am also drinking a gallon and a half of water.
Everything was all right for the last 2 weeks. However, i have been feeling really flushed for the last 2 nights, and every now and then, it feels like my body is on fire, but the funny thing is, my temperature is normal and so is my blood pressure. I haven't be able to sleep very good though.
ANY SUGGESTIONS?

It is probably because you raised the dose,some androgens act as CNS stimulants,i would just go back down to one tablet a day,especially since it is your first time with these things.

 

[NathanKari]

It is probably because you raised the dose,some androgens act as CNS stimulants,i would just go back down to one tablet a day,especially since it is your first time with these things.

Hey, thanks for the reply 'ripped'. I don't wanna sound stupid or anything, but i got the dose upto 2 pills 13 days back and i was doing fine, till yesterday. Could it be because i was leaning out till then and was on low carbs. I should've probably put this in my first post. i was having about 2000-2500 calories a day. Now that i am buliking, i am eating clean, and i ate between 6000-7000 calories yesterday. I am going to keep that up till the end of the cycle.
Also, i'd really like to keep the dose at 50mg and not have to go down to 25mg, unless I really have to.
And I will probably try and do a post everyday from today till the end of the cycle(no promises ) so that I can get some helpful advice from you folks out there.

 

[ripped218]

Hey, thanks for the reply 'ripped'. I don't wanna sound stupid or anything, but i got the dose upto 2 pills 13 days back and i was doing fine, till yesterday. Could it be because i was leaning out till then and was on low carbs. I should've probably put this in my first post. i was having about 2000-2500 calories a day. Now that i am buliking, i am eating clean, and i ate between 6000-7000 calories yesterday. I am going to keep that up till the end of the cycle.
Also, i'd really like to keep the dose at 50mg and not have to go down to 25mg, unless I really have to.
And I will probably try and do a post everyday from today till the end of the cycle(no promises ) so that I can get some helpful advice from you folks out there.

It might have been because of the increased carbs and food intake i know carbs seem to really make me feel like you described if i increase them drastically,i would try slowly upping your cals maybe by 500-800 every day or two and see if that helps.

 

[NathanKari]

It might have been because of the increased carbs and food intake i know carbs seem to really make me feel like you described if i increase them drastically,i would try slowly upping your cals maybe by 500-800 every day or two and see if that helps.

Maybe you are right and I hope it's only that. Anyways, I going to try and stick to my current diet till the end of the cycle. Since I have increased the calorie count, I dont really see a point in reducing it again.
Could there be any other reasons for feeling flushed?

 

[yeahright]

Everything was all right for the last 2 weeks. However, i have been feeling really flushed for the last 2 nights, and every now and then, it feels like my body is on fire, but the funny thing is, my temperature is normal and so is my blood pressure. I haven't be able to sleep very good though.
ANY SUGGESTIONS?

I seem to recall other Promagnon users reporting the same thing.

My suggestions:

1) Run a search throguh the forum logs and read their experiences such as this: Invalid Link Removed
2) Drop your dose to the recommended 1 pill a day.
3) And I hate to ask, but you ARE prepared for PCT right?

 

[NathanKari]

I read through the log before I put up my post, thanks for the suggestion though. I don't recall reading anything about feeling flushed though.
Talkin about PCT, Gaspari recoomeds that i start of with Novadex-xt in the 3rd week itself(which was 2 days back for me).
week 1-4 promagnon 25
week 3-6 novadex (2 caps in week 3, 3 caps week 4 and 4 caps week 5 and 6)
also i am going to keep up with the liver-x , hawthorn berries and CQ10 , in addtion to taking vitamin C and E.
Is that okay?

Also, I said that i would try and maintian a log, so here goes.
I seemed to be pretty tired when i go into the gym last night(maybe it was the lack of sleep from the night before, or maybe coz i started eating so much, all those carbs kinda make you feel lethargic).
I worked on my back last night, was there in the gym for a little more than an hour and although i felt mentally fatigued by the end of the workout, i was still able to pile on the weight and get a decent number of reps.
I don't think i slept really well last night either(but then, i've been having sleeping issues for the past few months, so i'm not sure what the reason is).
I woke up this morning with a mild headache, and a little groggy(I am having 2.5mg of melatonin to sleep).

DO I REALLY NEED TO LOWER MY DOSAGE OF PROMAGNON BACK TO 25 MG?

Oh, and i didn't feel flushed, all of yesterday and today, just the headache(I can deal with that).
My body feels really hard, and i can swear i look a little bigger(although since i didn't measure my arms,chest etc, before the cycle, there is no way i can tell for sure). One of the things that is really prominent though, is that my abs have become really big. i was at a pretty low bodyfat even before i started the cycle(8.25%) and although my abs were defined and could be very easily seen, they were small. My abs are really starting to pop out now

 

[ripped218]

I read through the log before I put up my post, thanks for the suggestion though. I don't recall reading anything about feeling flushed though.
Talkin about PCT, Gaspari recoomeds that i start of with Novadex-xt in the 3rd week itself(which was 2 days back for me).
week 1-4 promagnon 25
week 3-6 novadex (2 caps in week 3, 3 caps week 4 and 4 caps week 5 and 6)
also i am going to keep up with the liver-x , hawthorn berries and CQ10 , in addtion to taking vitamin C and E.
Is that okay?

Also, I said that i would try and maintian a log, so here goes.
I seemed to be pretty tired when i go into the gym last night(maybe it was the lack of sleep from the night before, or maybe coz i started eating so much, all those carbs kinda make you feel lethargic).
I worked on my back last night, was there in the gym for a little more than an hour and although i felt mentally fatigued by the end of the workout, i was still able to pile on the weight and get a decent number of reps.
I don't think i slept really well last night either(but then, i've been having sleeping issues for the past few months, so i'm not sure what the reason is).
I woke up this morning with a mild headache, and a little groggy(I am having 2.5mg of melatonin to sleep).

DO I REALLY NEED TO LOWER MY DOSAGE OF PROMAGNON BACK TO 25 MG?

Oh, and i didn't feel flushed, all of yesterday and today, just the headache(I can deal with that).
My body feels really hard, and i can swear i look a little bigger(although since i didn't measure my arms,chest etc, before the cycle, there is no way i can tell for sure). One of the things that is really prominent though, is that my abs have become really big. i was at a pretty low bodyfat even before i started the cycle(8.25%) and although my abs were defined and could be very easily seen, they were small. My abs are really starting to pop out now

Instead of increasing the novedex with each succeding week start at 4 caps at the end of your cycle then work your way down this will reduce estrogen rebound,i would also get some nolvadex if possible,to be used in conjunction with the novedex.

 

[NathanKari]

Instead of increasing the novedex with each succeding week start at 4 caps at the end of your cycle then work your way down this will reduce estrogen rebound,i would also get some nolvadex if possible,to be used in conjunction with the novedex.

hmm, the estrogen rebound makes sense. So basically, i will only be using promagnon for the entire cycle without using any novadex.
let me see if i can lay my hands on some nolvadex.
so as i see it, i should stop using the novadex and wait till the end of the cycle to start it. Is that right?

if i do get some nolvadex, could you please suggest the doses to me?

the headaches seem to have subsided , i hope it stays like this till the end of the day

 

[ripped218]

hmm, the estrogen rebound makes sense. So basically, i will only be using promagnon for the entire cycle without using any novadex.
let me see if i can lay my hands on some nolvadex.
so as i see it, i should stop using the novadex and wait till the end of the cycle to start it. Is that right?

if i do get some nolvadex, could you please suggest the doses to me?

the headaches seem to have subsided , i hope it stays like this till the end of the day

I like to run an AI which novedex is for 5 days before the end of cycle ,then for the 4 weeks for PCT just to get my body ready ,As long as you dont have any gyno symptoms i would run the nolva 40/20/20/10 for the 4 weeks of pct,also another good addition for pct to help keep gains is an anti-cortisol,such as anabolic xtreme's retain or designer supplements lean extreme,more people seem to like retain but i like lean extreme better because reatin can cause heart palpatations.If you run one of these i would run 3 caps a day for my entire pct.

 

[NathanKari]

I like to run an AI which novedex is for 5 days before the end of cycle ,then for the 4 weeks for PCT just to get my body ready ,As long as you dont have any gyno symptoms i would run the nolva 40/20/20/10 for the 4 weeks of pct,also another good addition for pct to help keep gains is an anti-cortisol,such as anabolic xtreme's retain or designer supplements lean extreme,more people seem to like retain but i like lean extreme better because reatin can cause heart palpatations.If you run one of these i would run 3 caps a day for my entire pct.

Thanks for the advice, i'll keep you posted on how things are working out for me

 

[animalXXX]

If you allready started taking the Novedex, as it is your 3rd week, don't stop taking it now just run with it. After all in the stack "maximus" that's what Gaspari recommended. But ripped is right, taper it off at the end. Good luck with it bro and i'll see you later at the gym.

 

[NathanKari]

If you allready started taking the Novedex, as it is your 3rd week, don't stop taking it now just run with it. After all in the stack "maximus" that's what Gaspari recommended. But ripped is right, taper it off at the end. Good luck with it bro and i'll see you later at the gym.

Thanks for the advice bro.

So, here's my update for yesterday.
I seem to have put on 3lbs from the time i started bulking(that is 3 lbs in 3 days :woohoo: )
I thought the headache was gone for good, but i think i spoke too soon, as it came back towards the end of the day. I worked on my quads last night, and despite the headache i could progressively increase the weight with each set and also get in a fair amount of reps. I have started to feel stronger in the last few days.
Like animal suggested i am going to continue taking novedex, but i'll taper it off towards the end.
I woke up this morning with a relatively mild headache. I stiil can't figure out the reason for the headaches. i was okay for as long as I was on a low carb diet. They've only started from the time i am carbing up. I am eating so much food, it's kinda making me sick.

 

[TorqueMonster]

I need help ive been lifting for prolly 3-4 months naturally and now i just bought some promagnon25 a couple days ago im gonna take it in about 3 days the guy at the suppliment place here told me to not worry about anything until i'm done with the cycle other than the liver pills any suggestions on what else i should use in order to help with it and what are good things to stay away from foog wise???? help would be appreciated thanks

 

[yeahright]

I need help ive been lifting for prolly 3-4 months naturally and now i just bought some promagnon25 a couple days ago im gonna take it in about 3 days the guy at the suppliment place here told me to not worry about anything until i'm done with the cycle other than the liver pills any suggestions on what else i should use in order to help with it and what are good things to stay away from foog wise???? help would be appreciated thanks

Search these forums for the following terms:

1) pct
2) gyno
3) blood pressure
4) lipids
5) nolva
6) keeping gains

 

[CNorris]

I need help ive been lifting for prolly 3-4 months naturally and now i just bought some promagnon25 a couple days ago im gonna take it in about 3 days the guy at the suppliment place here told me to not worry about anything until i'm done with the cycle other than the liver pills any suggestions on what else i should use in order to help with it and what are good things to stay away from foog wise???? help would be appreciated thanks

Stay away from alcohol and get a proper PCT in place before you touch it. The guy at your supplement store is an idiot if he didnt at least sell you some rebout xt.