Prohormones like MSTEN still availble?

PoSiTiVeFLoW said:
Yeah me too, products were legit, advice from them was generally sound. Is PRE still around, the original sister co to PRO?
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Apologies....to clarify.....

PRE is in no way affiliated with PRO.

And PRE is still operating (as far as I know).
 
Hyde said:
Was PRO Mike’s brand? And did he drop the Integrity moniker for the PRO designation?
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The only thing I can tell you for sure is that PRE released a statement on this board, saying that they had no connection to ANY other site.
 
I found some pit pharma stuff. Definitely bunk so stay away there. Big waste starred vicious labs dmz and noticed a difference in fullness in 2 days. Took the pit pharma msten/dmz combo for two weeks and noticed absolutely nothing strength or size wise. VL dmz is giving me some weird mental side effects though. Been taking 45mg before bed and that has helped. Wish zoo would bring back the msten!
 
The Express 42 said:
I found some pit pharma stuff. Definitely bunk so stay away there. Big waste starred vicious labs dmz and noticed a difference in fullness in 2 days. Took the pit pharma msten/dmz combo for two weeks and noticed absolutely nothing strength or size wise. VL dmz is giving me some weird mental side effects though. Been taking 45mg before bed and that has helped. Wish zoo would bring back the msten!
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Hi could you elaborate more on the "weird mental effects"?
 
Yes! I have used dmz before as well. But I am currently taking test E with it. I was having a problem with overthinking, jealousy and just assuming the worst of every situation. It was a very anxious feeling. Just definitely not myself and I couldn’t seem to shake these thoughts. I stopped the dmz and literally by the next day it was a night and day difference. Felt like I had all my confidence back. I didn’t want to waste the dmz so I’ve been taking 45mg before bed. Not ideal but it’s been doin the trick for me and I haven’t had those side effects. I noticed they would start about an hour after my first dose and last 4-6 hours. When I was dosing 3 times a day this became a problem. I had bloodwork done too and my estrogen was one point high and test was 1400, for some reason my prolactin was slightly elevated as well
 
I just started a light Test E and lifting regimen today. I will add DMZ here in a few weeks, once I'm sure I'm back at full speed.

I'll keep an eye out for this... since this will be my first run combining Test E base with DMZ, used DMZ before only solo and other than the end of cycle lethargy, I actually felt pretty good on it. But with high T > 1400 you noted, perhaps it was exaggerating the anxiousness? Or something else?
 
DMZ can cause anxiety in some users. Guy on here was getting it with just a single 15mg dose daily and it was around his dosing only. Like a nervous energy that can take you the wrong way if you’re prone to it.

I love it and have no such troubles, but I am in a great place in my life too.

I also believe both it and Msten will slightly elevate prolactin based on feel, but I haven’t remotely validated that with blood work ever.
 
Hyde said:
DMZ can cause anxiety in some users. Guy on here was getting it with just a single 15mg dose daily and it was around his dosing only. Like a nervous energy that can take you the wrong way if you’re prone to it.

I love it and have no such troubles, but I am in a great place in my life too.

I also believe both it and Msten will slightly elevate prolactin based on feel, but I haven’t remotely validated that with blood work ever.
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Yeah same goes with alcohol when you hear about people that can't drink.. Well most likely their life isn't as good as you'd think and that's why they take it out on everyone else when drunk.
 
Renew1 said:
It probably depends upon which diagram you're looking at. Link?
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I see now that you are entirely correct. In the diagrams it seems as though the carbon and hydroxy chains in the 17th position are swapped on the mirror side, but by turning the molecule it's apparent that they are not. There is no 17a-ol superdrol molecule in reality. Both halves of DMZ are 17b-ol.
 
On the subject of anxiety, guys I will tell you I have had general anxiety and acute panic episodes for 20 years, clinically. Literally every anabolic hormone gives me anxiety. Just get a grip on yourself, and then just let it go. Lift weights right at that time. Works for me.
 
The Express 42 said:
I found some pit pharma stuff. Definitely bunk so stay away there. Big waste starred vicious labs dmz and noticed a difference in fullness in 2 days. Took the pit pharma msten/dmz combo for two weeks and noticed absolutely nothing strength or size wise. VL dmz is giving me some weird mental side effects though. Been taking 45mg before bed and that has helped. Wish zoo would bring back the msten!
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If you were on zoo's board you'd know that there is a couple new releases coming down the pipes.. let's just say you will be a happy camper in a few weeks;)
 
D3x said:
If you were on zoo's board you'd know that there is a couple new releases coming down the pipes.. let's just say you will be a happy camper in a few weeks;)
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yup I have confirmation Straight From the Source I think we'll all be happy I know I will
 
I find I add mass comparably well with either DMZ or SDrol, I find DMZ to be a bit drier. But in no way is it SAFER, both are hepatoxic, and both require TUDCA and Milk Thistle Extract, NAC, and a comprehensive cycle support / PCT plan. But they work like a charm otherwise. Hydrate and lift and eat well and both will serve you well, but in thermodynamics we say 'there is no free lunch' this is true of chemistry in regards to using one's liver as a steroid factory, lol.
 
PoSiTiVeFLoW said:
Yeah with the new 2018 SARMS ban pending I imagine things going back to UGL or overseas mail order, unless RC suppliers have their marketing game plan on lock and supply chains setup well.
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Along these lines, Enhanced Athlete is now Enhanced Arsenal out of Asia. And Purerawz is moving to Europe. Those with the means will restructure their business abroad and probably still ship to US. Silly government worries about SARMs, but you know sugar is everywhere and pesticides that kill all the bees (that pollenate our food) too. And of course we roll back clean vehicle standards. Government hyprocrisy runs deep.
 
D3x said:
If you were on zoo's board you'd know that there is a couple new releases coming down the pipes.. let's just say you will be a happy camper in a few weeks;)
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I get on them every now and then I’ll have to check in!
 
PoSiTiVeFLoW said:
Advanced Pharma M1T is still available on UK sites, so that's good. Anyone try that brand? I've used it's potent cousin M1AD, from Black stone labs (Alpha 1 max) before.

Both add hecka strength, size, wet gainz, need TUDCA and top notch cycle support and PCT. Can only run 1_2x a year, or risk thy liver.
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It's a UK site so it's in Euros.

Excuse my ignorance, but do they accept us currency??
 
Bintherduntht said:
It's a UK site so it's in Euros.

Excuse my ignorance, but do they accept us currency??
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I just ordered two bottles on my shelf for a couple weeks now, so yeah, I think if you use Google Chrome I've ordered from a number of UK sites, some take PayPal which makes the currency conversion automatic, otherwise VISA usually does a good job.
 
PoSiTiVeFLoW said:
I just ordered two bottles on my shelf for a couple weeks now, so yeah, I think if you use Google Chrome I've ordered from a number of UK sites, some take PayPal which makes the currency conversion automatic, otherwise VISA usually does a good job.
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I’d be interested in knowing how you get on with the advanced pharma stuff when you try it please mate.
 
Big ian said:
I’d be interested in knowing how you get on with the advanced pharma stuff when you try it please mate.
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Sure thing, basically I had a seizure and have been in recovery (past 3 weeks) but getting close to starting lifting again. Long story, no I'm not epileptic, thank goodness.

From muscle spasms and fall where I cracked my right eye orbital, I'm about 90% healed... After I got out of the hospital I started a Test E + EQ cruise and been stretching doing light dumbbells and reistance bands for range of motion.

My plan is to continue Test E cruise, drop the EQ and add M1T next. Then run a SARM and then PCT. And then run DMZ or LGD-4033.

I logged for about 2+ years on AM forum, but past 3-4 months been out of the gym with preggo wife, work, toddler, etc. Lousy diet, dropped from 220lbs at 14% BF to 200lbs and dipped into 195lbs and 10-11% BF after ER visit. Now at 205lbs again since starting recovery training a little.

I might switch from my nearby Club Sport gym to a Bowflex + dumbbells, resistance based home gym with Troy bench. We'll see which is more efficient for new dad and for recovery.

Ideally, I would like 1.5 hours 3-4 days a week at the local gym, with cardio in there too, but I know I have to lift when I can for awhile now.
 
skinneyfinney said:
Could someone pm a good source for msten?
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Predator nutrition Olympus labs brand

Or vicious labs. They are a sponsor I believe so I would do business with them first
 
RickyBlobby said:
Predator nutrition Olympus labs brand

Or vicious labs. They are a sponsor I believe so I would do business with them first
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Pretty sure vicious sold through their stock. Unless they got more, but it was gone a while ago and I was under the impression they weren’t gonna make more.
 
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